Play a McCree, he is the anti-flanker.
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Play a McCree, he is the anti-flanker.
Yeah i get what your saying. The system isn't perfect. But i also dont think its as bad as most people make it out to be.
Almost same story happend to me. Got placed at 48, then free falled down to 41. And now i managed to crawl up to 50. But i know i got placed too high. I only played 1 character, so i fell quickly in rank. Then i learned to play more characters and switching when needed, and i managed to rank up again.
Now im staying between 48 and 51. So yeah, if im unlucky and go on a losing spree, i level down, if i go on a winning spree with good teams i level up. But i wont fall down much below that, because then i notice the skill level starts to drop, and i will win more games. And i wont be able to go much higher than lvl 50, cos the skill level is too high for me now.
So imo it works resonably well, if you look at it as a whole and not just session by session.
Newtype-001
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When the other team is mostly Tanks
(Specifically Roadhog, Dva and Rein):
👌👌👌👌
Managed to pull out 7 Dragon Blades.
(Specifically Roadhog, Dva and Rein):
👌👌👌👌
Managed to pull out 7 Dragon Blades.
I play Dota2 as well. I basically have given up on ranked play. No matter how well I play, or what I do, I always get bad teammates that bring me down. They just had a mode for the yearly tournament that lets you basically recalibrate. After winning 5 games in a row in unranked, I decided to give it a shot. Bad teammates the first game and someone who was trolling and threw the game intentionally in the second. I'm done.
It's not worth the stress. The only time I'll play ranked Overwatch is if they release something that I care about that is realistically achievable. And even then, I'm not sure. I don't care for the golden guns they have now, so I have no reason to play. It's so much more fun and less stressful not having to worry about your score getting tanked by things that are out of your control. I literally don't even look at my win/loss ratio for normal games. I just play and have fun and Overwatch has quickly turned into my go to game for when I want to just have a blast with little stress.
MarioHead3
Banned
It's always done that.
I have survived his scattershot plenty of times, just this game i get killed 3 times. Something seems up with it, can it still headshot me?
optimus8936
Banned
You're playing the weakest character in the game(in terms of health), so I don't see why this is a problem.
If done correctly it can easily do 200 damage
Doing 150 damage (at least) for aiming at the floor seems a bit excessive to me.
I believe it actually does 375 max damage if all the arrows connect. Just make sure you're jumping around to avoid it.
Dead Prince
Banned
i just wanted a quick game. i don't actually mean put me in in-progress games
Kor of Memory
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Man, I'm conflicted with myself.
I like the changes to DVa because I feel like she is actually a tank now, she has good damage mitigation skills.
But at the same time, I've come to hate playing against DVa because of her damage mitigation skills. It's not like Zarya where you have to choose to just run or shoot through it.
Because of how DVa's shield works, you pretty much just have to sit there and wait. Turnign to run is dangerous because she can just boost to catch you. Firing at someone else in the meantime is dangerous because she'll just start shooting at you, and now you've gotten someone elses attention to go with it.
I just don't feel like there are a lot of good counters to her shield, is all. In fact, I feel like so few characters can circumvent that shield, that I have to play 1 of these characters, just to actually enjoy the game again.
As it is, a lot of my staples are on stand by because DVa makes them pretty feel too weak.
I've pretty much just been playing a bunch of RoadHog just so I can hook her and hope that my team focuses her down.
I like the changes to DVa because I feel like she is actually a tank now, she has good damage mitigation skills.
But at the same time, I've come to hate playing against DVa because of her damage mitigation skills. It's not like Zarya where you have to choose to just run or shoot through it.
Because of how DVa's shield works, you pretty much just have to sit there and wait. Turnign to run is dangerous because she can just boost to catch you. Firing at someone else in the meantime is dangerous because she'll just start shooting at you, and now you've gotten someone elses attention to go with it.
I just don't feel like there are a lot of good counters to her shield, is all. In fact, I feel like so few characters can circumvent that shield, that I have to play 1 of these characters, just to actually enjoy the game again.
As it is, a lot of my staples are on stand by because DVa makes them pretty feel too weak.
I've pretty much just been playing a bunch of RoadHog just so I can hook her and hope that my team focuses her down.
How long have you been playing this game? Hanzo's scatter shot has always been a one shot for most 200hp heroes if aimed correctly .
MarioHead3
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Most of the arrows usually miss, but Tracer has such low health that it doesn't matter. Just don't let it hit you in the first place. That's what Blink is for.
That's my problem with D.Va now; in order to realistically take her out you need two or three people to focus on her. Against one hero she can just run or block whatever you're doing. She's simply too powerful right now. And annoying.
I've been playing since launchday, it's just that i noticed it killed me excessively in the past few games.
That's the annoying part, it kills me mid-blink as well
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
That's the point though.
It's meant to kill tracers.
With extreme prejudice.
Because tracers deserve it.
Do you have a problem with having the game being people focusing down on rein's shield before?
Liked honestly from what I've seen all tanks get equal play now with regular rotation other than roadhog, but roadhog's fall was only due to the rise of zen. Tanks are mostly fine.
It's meant to kill tracers.
With extreme prejudice.
Because tracers deserve it.
Do you have a problem with having the game being people focusing down on rein's shield before?
Liked honestly from what I've seen all tanks get equal play now with regular rotation other than roadhog, but roadhog's fall was only due to the rise of zen. Tanks are mostly fine.
MarioHead3
Banned
Don't get too close and don't attack him head on as Tracer. If you sneak up behind him, you can usually kill him before he even has a chance to turn around.
broncobuster
Banned
Am I awful with Ana or is she a tough character to grasp?
MarioHead3
Banned
Probably a bit of both.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
As dva I'll honestly take on roadhog. I don't think that matchup is all that favorable for hog at all.
Regarding if dm is broken, if anything i see that zarya is getting a massive rise in popularity because she can dispel discord not only for herself but for others. I was actually surprised that Winston didn't fall due to zen but from what I've seen he's still one of the best options to dive in and take out zen asap.
Really, zenyatta is seriously shaping the meta of the game around him. That's how incredible discord is. Said he was basically the terminator in ptr, turns out way truer than I'd imagine.
Regarding if dm is broken, if anything i see that zarya is getting a massive rise in popularity because she can dispel discord not only for herself but for others. I was actually surprised that Winston didn't fall due to zen but from what I've seen he's still one of the best options to dive in and take out zen asap.
Really, zenyatta is seriously shaping the meta of the game around him. That's how incredible discord is. Said he was basically the terminator in ptr, turns out way truer than I'd imagine.
Wyndstryker
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Being a good Ana requires a ton of situational awareness. Healing and shooting and knowing when to nanother boost and who to boost. Easy to play. Easy to screw up. Hard to master.
Dead Prince
Banned
i just got booted from my own custom game because it took forever to load. RIP
I find it pretty easy to 1v1 a D.va as Soldier 76. Just lay down your health field, shift right and left while aiming for their head crit since it's so big.
MarioHead3
Banned
So, I tried solo queue competitive for two games.
I won't be doing that again.
I won't be doing that again.
I was at 49.9 just a few days ago and now I'm stuck around 45 again. Fuck.
Unless someone insta-locks a lucio (which usually means they know what they're doing) I pretty much have to always play healer or people start fucking up big time, like dropping the only healer for no reason. And even when I'm the healer they still manage to fuck up a winning game by getting cocky and go off on solo adventures or getting near the enemy spawn in koth.
Unless someone insta-locks a lucio (which usually means they know what they're doing) I pretty much have to always play healer or people start fucking up big time, like dropping the only healer for no reason. And even when I'm the healer they still manage to fuck up a winning game by getting cocky and go off on solo adventures or getting near the enemy spawn in koth.
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RespectThySole
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Eh I wouldn't say that at all for Roadhog tbh. It's really not that difficult to take him out as D.Va. If McCree surprises you from range with no DM up sure, but if he's close he'll be destroyed easily.
A hook combo usually sends DVa into panic mode in my experience. Just don't waste your shots on DM, wait it out, profit.
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Try Zarya next time you're up against D.Va. Zarya's primary fire shoots through Defense Matrix so use it on her when DM is up and if she decides to fight back pop your shield. With a 50% charge you'll melt D.Va out of her mech in a few seconds.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Yeah but a good dva will just out dps him. Armour makes his max damage at 200 if all of his shots crit. Dva's is 168 per second non-crit but at the distances we're operating at a lot of those shots are going to crit, especially with his massive hitbox.
Vault Dweller 111
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If I 1v1 Dva as hog it's at least a 90% win rate.
Hook goes through her matrix, so start it that way. She'll either continue to put up the matrix: reload, walk around her to shoot/wait it out.
Or
She'll immediately start hammering you with point blank head shots (the much better option): It can get dicey but your shotgun at point blank range should win the battle.
As she ejects from the mech, heal up.
Hook is cooled down, hook her in human form. Dead.
Hook goes through her matrix, so start it that way. She'll either continue to put up the matrix: reload, walk around her to shoot/wait it out.
Or
She'll immediately start hammering you with point blank head shots (the much better option): It can get dicey but your shotgun at point blank range should win the battle.
As she ejects from the mech, heal up.
Hook is cooled down, hook her in human form. Dead.
If a Roadhog hooks me as D.va I usually just flick on DM and then jet boost back to safe range again. Never really had issues with him when using D.va.
finalflame
Member
Precisely. Roadhog is a non-issue unless he gets me by surprise while DM and boost are on CD.
Garrett Hawke
Member
the current brawl is hilarious
we were in a match which was so oddly quiet because of the hero matchup, just the occasional gunfire lmao
even the play of the game was boring
we were in a match which was so oddly quiet because of the hero matchup, just the occasional gunfire lmao
even the play of the game was boring
finalflame
Member
She's a great tank now. I love playing her. Kinda sucks without a good team, though, but that goes for most heroes. I usually run 3+ golds on good Comp games with her.
As someone who used to always play Mercy, when I see someone else pick her I get disappointed. She's just too weak of character. I don't mean her HP, it's her value to the team.
She can't go with flankers because she struggles to keep up and even if she does she holding up a neon arrow pointing at them. So she has to go with support or tanks. Basically, just behind the front lines bouncing around.
KoTH matches she serves little value because she can't take much in splash damage or just stray shots (even if the enemy team decides to ignore her). This is an issue in all modes but there's an extra layer of bad because a teammate that's pushing thinks she is feeding them health. Then she has to bug out and said teammate is probably in a really bad spot. She is extremely slow unless she has a teammate to fly to.
Her damage boost rarely seems like it's a difference, more so because whoever you're boosting is going to get return fire. If Mercy would've just been healing it probably would've been a better net result since sometimes that half second of lost healing (during the switch) may have resulted in either the kill or enough to escape for her teammate. Only being able to heal one team mate at a time and very little offensive contributions put her as maybe the worst character in the game.
The slow speed on her ult charge makes a huge difference too. Revives are bringing people back to where they died so it's probably not a good spot and now that they come so much slower, if you revive a teammate only to have them die right away is actually a significant set back for your team. Her entire team has to be actively working a game plan specific to her. And if a group is that dedicated to game plans there's better options.
Sorry for the rant.
tl;dr - Sadly, Mercy is almost never a good pick. Don't pick her.
She can't go with flankers because she struggles to keep up and even if she does she holding up a neon arrow pointing at them. So she has to go with support or tanks. Basically, just behind the front lines bouncing around.
KoTH matches she serves little value because she can't take much in splash damage or just stray shots (even if the enemy team decides to ignore her). This is an issue in all modes but there's an extra layer of bad because a teammate that's pushing thinks she is feeding them health. Then she has to bug out and said teammate is probably in a really bad spot. She is extremely slow unless she has a teammate to fly to.
Her damage boost rarely seems like it's a difference, more so because whoever you're boosting is going to get return fire. If Mercy would've just been healing it probably would've been a better net result since sometimes that half second of lost healing (during the switch) may have resulted in either the kill or enough to escape for her teammate. Only being able to heal one team mate at a time and very little offensive contributions put her as maybe the worst character in the game.
The slow speed on her ult charge makes a huge difference too. Revives are bringing people back to where they died so it's probably not a good spot and now that they come so much slower, if you revive a teammate only to have them die right away is actually a significant set back for your team. Her entire team has to be actively working a game plan specific to her. And if a group is that dedicated to game plans there's better options.
Sorry for the rant.
tl;dr - Sadly, Mercy is almost never a good pick. Don't pick her.
harriet the spy
Member
I sadly agree - I main mercy and pharah- quite a bit below 50% with mercy and quite a bit above with pharah. Odd thing is - I never seen to lose as much as when I play against mercy. Her heal needs to be boosted - and she needs to become faster
RespectThySole
Member
Same. I usually win that matchup. D.Va is my most played character and Roadhog never really gives me much trouble.
As long as you're aggressive against him it's pretty easy as you'll out DPS him. If he surprises you with the hook, DM then boost for health pack, come back and kill him.
Same here, went 2-6 and this is getting so frustrating. On a personal level i felt like i played really great but in the end it meant nothing. Maybe i'm reading too much into those rankings but according to Overbuff it was pretty decent:
Just felt like a total waste of an evening progression wise,
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