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[Apathy]

weee got the pharah skin, one less that I don't have to buy

This or people or insistent on using their ulti before they switch.

eh, that one might have more valid as long as they dont hold it forever and go in to just use it. it might turn the tide.

 

[Kenai]

I caved and dropped a 20 on loot boxes. Between that and farming I got about every skin I don't want. Gonna throw something at my T.V. if i get another Jingle Tracer skin (on my 3rd dupe).

Still gonna fish for Nutcracker, Mei-rry, Andies and Yeti right up until the final hour. Mei and Lucio get priority since I actually play them (sorry Winston) + don't have any decent skins for them (got a decent Zen skin).

 

[Apathy]

People are just fucking terrible, just standing just outside of the point as the opposite team is about to cap. Mind boggling that anyone could be that bad.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

I've been so lucky with these loot boxes. Haven't spent a penny and I have Lucio, Pharah, Reaper, Zarya, Winston, Sombra and Roadhog's Xmas skins.

 

[BigDug13]

I said Sombra looked underpowered. *shrug*

But yeah, I think Symmetra's power is overblown. People just aren't used to playing against her (wasn't her pick rate like 5%?). They're also not used to seeing her as a threat. She still dies to just about all the usual suspects.

Shield generator is great though. I think part of its power is the lack of voice calls for when it goes down. Playing Sym is pretty straightforward but playing against her was equally braindead. Now teams need to be a little more aware.

That said, I fully expect Blizzard to nerf her.

Shouldn't need a voice call IMO. Unlike teleporter, you can instantly see that your opponent seems to have 75 extra hitpoints in shields.

 

[LiK]

Snowball Offensive is fun. Never died. Shame people keep leaving.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Syms who try to 1v1 Winston are cute.

 

[Psychoward]

Syms who try to 1v1 Winston are cute.

Still don't think Sym's gun is overpowered in the slightest.

 

[MarioHead3]

Syms who try to 1v1 Winston are cute.

Those usually go in Sym's favor in my experience.

 

[Hellsing321]

Isn't he going to be a tank though?

5 tank meta!

 

[Nimby]

Those usually go in Sym's favor in my experience.

No way for Sym to win a 1v1 vs. Winston. Unless she is getting help or he is low on health. Dunno about with shield generator. Probably not though.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Those usually go in Sym's favor in my experience.

The math doesn't support that even if a fully charged symmetra is doing 120 damage per second Winston has 100 armour so 4 of Symm's hits would do -5 damage. So this puts Winston on -100 after 1 sec while Symmetra would be at -60. Symmetra would continue damage at 120 per second, thus killing winston in 3.3 seconds while Winston would do 60 damage a second, killing Symmetra in 2.3~ secs.

Total time to kill full health symmetra - 3.3~ secs

Total time to kill full health winston with a fully charged beam - 4.3~ secs

Still don't think Sym's gun is overpowered in the slightest.

I'm not sure where I stand on it tbh.

 

[Data West]

No way for Sym to win a 1v1 vs. Winston. Unless she is getting help or he is low on health.

She might be able to do with shield and armor but no way without both.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

She might be able to do with shield and armor but no way without both.

I think even with her shield generator up, Winston still wins unless she is at full charge when she engages him. It takes her two seconds of lock on to ramp up to full damage.

Maybe if she has shields and armour but even then I think it's close.

 

[BigDug13]

Can't seem to get into a Mei Brawl game without being shoved into a game on a team already down 2-0.

 

[Psychoward]

I'm not sure where I stand on it tbh.

it's a winston type gun with only slightly more dps that has to charge up that is single target only for a character with only 200 hp and no escape abilities


don't have an issue fighting it whatsoever

 

[Garrett Hawke]

it's a winston type gun with only slightly more dps that has to charge up that is single target only for a character with only 200 hp and no escape abilities


don't have an issue fighting it whatsoever

Imagine if they gave it to DVa tho

Now we're talking

 

[MarioHead3]

No way for Sym to win a 1v1 vs. Winston. Unless she is getting help or he is low on health. Dunno about with shield generator. Probably not though.

The math doesn't support that even if a fully charged symmetra is doing 120 damage per second Winston has 100 armour so 4 of Symm's hits would do -5 damage. So this puts Winston on -100 after 1 sec while Symmetra would be at -60. Symmetra would continue damage at 120 per second, thus killing winston in 3.3 seconds while Winston would do 60 damage a second, killing Symmetra in 2.3~ secs.

Total time to kill full health symmetra - 3.3~ secs

Total time to kill full health winston with a fully charged beam - 4.3~ secs

Don't know what the deal is then, because I usually win 1v1s against Winston as Symmetra. Maybe they tend to be already damaged. I don't know. I'm just going by what I've seen.

 

[Veelk]

Don't know what the deal is then, because I usually win 1v1s against Winston as Symmetra. Maybe they tend to be already damaged. I don't know. I'm just going by what I've seen.

Yeah. Winston has more health, but he's big like some kind of giant monkey. He's gonna be taking damage from everywhere. In addition to that, a good Symmetra is a ninja. The enemy shouldn't know where you are until you're already eating them with your gun. So if Winston is at all damaged or he has to take a second to reorient himself to face you, then you have the advantage.

 

[MarioHead3]

Yeah. Winston has more health, but he's big like some kind of giant monkey. He's gonna be taking damage from everywhere. In addition to that, a good Symmetra is a ninja. The enemy shouldn't know where you are until you're already eating them with your gun. So if Winston is at all damaged or he has to take a second to reorient himself to face you, then you have the advantage.

Right, and he does such shit damage that I don't even bother trying to go against Sym on my own when I play as him.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Right, and he does such shit damage that I don't even bother trying to go against Sym on my own when I play as him.

But in a 1v1 winston will win

Of course winston will go down to a symmetra + some other damage but a solo symmetra should not kill a winston.

 

[MarioHead3]

But in a 1v1 winston will win

Of course winston will go down to a symmetra + some other damage but a solo symmetra should not kill a winston.

Winston wins 100% of the time in a situation that practically does not exist.

Like, you're technically correct, but I'm not sure how useful that is in practice.

 

[Data West]

Winston wins 100% of the time in a situation that practically does not exist.

Like, you're technically correct, but I'm not sure how useful that is in practice.

It's happened multiple times for me since the rework. I'm not sure why you think it doesn't.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Also why is Winston trying to take you out alone? A bad Winston goes in without his team.

Winston's value is 100% based on the space he creates when a team fight happens.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

It's happened multiple times for me since the rework. I'm not sure why you think it doesn't.

Yeah, I don't know what else to say really. A lot of (bad) Symmetras seem to think that their shield + gun range means they're invincible and charge.

Also why is Winston trying to take you out alone? A bad Winston goes in without his team.

Winston's value is 100% based on the space he creates when a team fight happens.

Shit happens. Especially in quick play.

 

[ISOM]

5 tank meta!

You joke but it feels like we're almost there.

 

[Data West]

Also why is Winston trying to take you out alone? A bad Winston goes in without his team.

Winston's value is 100% based on the space he creates when a team fight happens.

Team fights at main entrance of Hollywood, Winston goes into side door to kill Symmetra's turrets, Symmetra tries to engage Winston

 

[MarioHead3]

It's happened multiple times for me since the rework. I'm not sure why you think it doesn't.

I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just saying that, anecdotally, it hasn't. Our experiences just seem to be totally different here.

Maybe I only play against shitty Winstons. I have no idea. I'm not an expert on these things.

 

[Anne]

Lunatic Hai win again~

Rogue vs Luxury Watch Red atm https://www.twitch.tv/esl_overwatch

 

[Antiwhippy]

Man, missing out again.

 

[SlickShoes]

I'm trying to practice ana in quick play but none of my games ever have a tank, people are just refusing to play one and we get steamrolled, it feels completely pointless tless even trying

 

[Flunkie]

getting better results from better premeditated strategy is rewarding

 

[LurkerPrime]

I'm trying to practice ana in quick play but none of my games ever have a tank, people are just refusing to play one and we get steamrolled, it feels completely pointless tless even trying

Rule number one of QP:

You're going Support or Tank. Sometimes simultaneously. Be ready for it.


I made the mistake of wanting to use Symmetra once. Chose her immediately. Then two minutes into the match, someone mentions "no tank." Altogether, it was six minutes of my life I'll never get back.

 

[Azoor]

Got the Pharah skin, looks pretty dope.

 

[Anne]

Man, missing out again.

You're only missing one of the worst BO5 map pools in OW history,

Edit: Jesus fuck 2CP maps right now.

 

[ISOM]

That overtime stall by LW Red triggered me. It must have lasted over 2mins.

 

[KiraFA37]

Rogue VS Lunatic Hai, both using only 1 support now, Ana. Rogue litteraly going quad tanks, Soldier and Ana. What is this meta?

 

[Antiwhippy]

At least kaplan mentioned about retuning 2cp maps.

 

[AngryMoth]

Don't think I can bring myself to watch the rest of this NRG match after seeing them fail to take hollywood A with 6 ults vs 1 and the whole video is only 30 mins

 

[Anne]

Don't think I can bring myself to watch the rest of this NRG match after seeing them fail to take hollywood A with 6 ults vs 1 and the whole video is only 30 mins

Spoiler

It happens again on next map

 

[ISOM]

Why did Rogue stick on Winston so long?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

One of the annoying things about MLG Vegas yesterday and even on their website, is their inability to specify what timezone they're using. I understand it's most likely local Vegas time but still, stating it shouldn't be hard for people watching outside of Vegas.

 

[jediyoshi]

Not familiar with either team, but the name Luxury Watch Red is 🔥

 

[Anne]

Korea > EU confirmed :v

 

[Xater]

Solo competitive for me is like win a game, lose a game, repeat. I am never going to progress this way.

 

[DevilDog]

Solo competitive for me is like win a game, lose a game, repeat. I am never going to progress this way.

That means you're on a good place though. It sounds like you're on the SR you belong.

 

[Data West]

If they're gonna give Symmetra a flying shield they need to about double her hitbox tbh

 

[Veelk]

I just had a game with a guy who played Widowmaker REALLY well. I sent him a message accusing him of mouse cheating, because that's what it looked like to me with how it flicked. But he says he just used a scuf on his controller, meaning a thing that enlargens the thumbstick for greater precision. Maybe I should get me that, because his widowmaker was just flat out vicious.

 

[Data West]

The difference between a bad Mercy and a good Mercy might be even bigger than the difference between a bad Genji and a good Genji

 

[ISOM]

You gotta love those Anas that miss you when you're 2ft infront of their face.