Antiwhippy
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Jump into group + 1sec with the gun = 110dmg.
Like, land your jumps.
Also why he's so good with genji because that combo + swift strike means you already get 1 pick.
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Jump into group + 1sec with the gun = 110dmg.
Like, land your jumps.
Also why he's so good with genji because that combo + swift strike means you already get 1 pick.
Kor of Memory
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110 damage every 6 seconds is still nothing compared to the other tanks. As was stated above, Winston is terrible against other tanks, who all seem to be able to take each other out through various methods. Except they're all good against winston, and winston is terrible against them all.
76 can land 100+ damage every 8 seconds, and it doesn't require him to make himself vulnerable. Hell 76 can just shoot 110 damage in the time it takes Winston to land from his jump.
Yeah the problem with tanks in overwatch is they do too much damage while having the sustain they do apart from Winston. A tank should have low damage to compensate for their high sustain. I think Winston is a good example of what a tank should do which is create space for the DPS while also being able to 1 V 1 decently by using abilities well and taking advantage of their higher health and not their DPS. Buffing Winston's damage would just make the meta worse. He already does decent damage to squishes and multiple enemies at once. Just nerf the damage of the tanks and make roadhogs hook CD longer so their damage output is similar to Winston.
People who play S76 are also among the most unaware of their surroundings too.
Kor of Memory
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Yeah, I meant that's what needs to happen, I just figure the odds of that are much much smaller.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Those jumps aren't easy to land, and that kind of coordination will never happen with randos. Winston's kinda bad compared to the rest of the tanks atm. Situationally useful, sure. But that's probably more D.Va and Hog being too good more than Winston being bad.
110 damage IF you land your jump perfectly and can get out again without dying, great. Meanwhile Roadhog gets a free pick every 6 seconds without going out of position.
Yeah buffing Winstons damage would be the easy way to get him equal usage with other tanks but just causes more problems. Overhauling the rest of the tanks is much more difficult to balance but would be better overall.
Newtype-001
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Just small fears of being over nerfed after alot of complaining :^)
Yikes, this too. I think thats more frustrating to me, than people who refuse to switch from Tracer/Genji/Reaper when the enemy team has a Pharah that is wiping everyone out.
S76 has to be one of the easiest heroes to play with yet there are people who cant seem to grasp the concept of things above or behind them, they only have tunnel vision.
Kor of Memory
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Your average player also doesn't understand how bloom works, so when they use the default crosshair for 76, they think his aim turns to shit after the first bullet.
Ana or Zen is also a good switch is you are playing a healer since they are capable of putting some pressure on Pharah. Not optimal, but it's one of the best options in that scenario.
I just think they dont care. I find the ones who play Roadhog to be that and have the slowest reaction time
I use Dot with Bloom on Soldier and it works great.
Nerfing the hell out of tank damage would be a good way to get me to stop playing this game. I play a tank in WoW and a couple weeks into Legion they cut my damage by 40% according to my logs (they said it would only be 10). If they did that in Overwatch my most-played character would become a waste of space.
Enemy team keeps picking Pharah.
I'm on Zenyatta, my go-to when no one else picks support. I state that I will discord Pharah because she will be trying to kill me first.
I then spend the entire match reminding McCree/Soldier/Roadhog/whoever to look up and fucking shoot her. I've had to get pretty good at landing hits on Pharah with Zenyatta because they never do. I've also learned that I can hit an aerial Mercy with surprising reliability.
I don't get it though. When I see a discord orb that's what I shoot at, why wouldn't I? Why do other Roadhogs never hook Pharah, I can do it easily and I only have a few hours on him.
Enemy team keeps picking Pharah.
I'm on Zenyatta, my go-to when no one else picks support. I state that I will discord Pharah because she will be trying to kill me first.
I then spend the entire match reminding McCree/Soldier/Roadhog/whoever to look up and fucking shoot her. I've had to get pretty good at landing hits on Pharah with Zenyatta because they never do. I've also learned that I can hit an aerial Mercy with surprising reliability.
I don't get it though. When I see a discord orb that's what I shoot at, why wouldn't I? Why do other Roadhogs never hook Pharah, I can do it easily and I only have a few hours on him.
Kor of Memory
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Kor of Memory
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So what about all the other people who's most played character is DPS who no longer can because Tanks have taken over?
It always amazes me how selfish people are when it comes to balancing.
Overwatch isn't WoW. It's not like you have to spend literal days invested into a character only for the game to turn around and make that feel worthless. My "main" is pharah, and you know how often I get to play her?
I went from 13 hours in season 1, to 5 hours in season 2, to 7 minutes of season 3.
Learn to see the big picture. The healthier the entire game is balanced, the more population it retains, which means the more dev and balancing get put into it. Which means the more new stuff that gets added to the game.
Nah we are saying all tanks but Winston need a nerf. Which is kinda an indirect Winston buff I guess.
Not saying you were saying that, but it gets argued a lot here. Just that Winston doesnt have a huge place in the meta atm but hes fine, if he got buffed that would be hellish.
Ivan A Nguyen
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I want to learn how to do those D.Va mech throws. Is there somewhere you praticed or is it just much easier to land than it looks?
This is what I have to do because I can't throw:
https://twitter.com/IvanANguyen/status/815065431622975488
She is in soloqueue, at least. I've lost count of the number of worthless EMPs I've seen because her team wasn't ready for them.
Kor of Memory
Member
Just realize that when you trigger your Ult while you are boosting, your Mech will continue in that direction, as if you had just pushed the boost.
So if you boost, and hit your Ult when your boost is 90% over, your mech will go 190% of the boost distance total.
Naturally, it will fall/arc down when the boost has finished.
Oh yeah his damage is fine as it is. It's just problems with the meta. He does well if people don't play the meta so you do see him around here and there and if they are good they can dominate. It's just playing him against a Dva and a Roadhog is just death.
You just have to be really good, her skill ceiling is insane. There are sombra mains in master and gm though and they are scary.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Sombra being theoretically good doesn't make the 99% of people who play her terribly good. "Sombra is bad" is therefore a fine generalization for the vast majority of people. I have never seen a Sombra who's more than a minor nuisance.
Ivan A Nguyen
Member
Does the ult always go off on the ground or mid air? If it goes off mid air is there a Y distance it has to be?
breadtruck
Member
You used your boost to get through the window.
To throw the mech you have to boost then activate the self-destruct. The mech will then keep flying as it times down.
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You could launch it straight up into the sky and blow up above everyone if you wanted. Like you could have activated the bomb as you flew through that window and blew up just past it in the air.
Ivan A Nguyen
Member
Maybe I should have jumped out when I cleared the window. The 2nd boost would have taken the ult to the right spot. Maybe. D.Va is so much fun!
That's how I always see it.
The meta is so tight right now either either 2-3 tanks, 2 healers, and that only leaves space for 1-2 DPS slots. Those DPS have to counter the enemy teams picks and output a ton of damage, so those picks have to be among the best in the game.
Picking a theoretically good pick like Tracer, Hanzo, Genji, Sombra can be beneficial, but that person has to play out of their mind in order to justify that pick to the rest of the team. The likelihood that you are playing with someone capable of that is unlikely in most skill brackets.
Kor of Memory
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The Ult goes off 4 seconds after pushing your Ult button, no matter what. The meka will not wait until it hits the ground. It's entirely time based.
It's too high for her role. Ana has a high skill ceiling, but Plat/Diamonds can still play her well enough. I think having to be Master+ just to play Sombra with any effectiveness is a problem.
Sombra is a character that can have her ult charged in 15 seconds. Use it to instantly destroy a Reinhardt shield or disable DM. That seems pretty valuable right now actually, but the only reason teams are hesitant to use her is that she lacks consistent damage and either has to take the DPS slot or replace a support.
Kor of Memory
Member
I want to see two things for Sombra.
1 - remove her see through walls if target is half health thing. It doesn't fit the kit and just doesn't make a lot of sense to me, and makes her character seem bloated.
2 - Allow her to hack/overclock friendly units so that they can move/shoot/heal faster. Just something small like 1.2x modifiers or something. Also, only let it last for like 6 seconds or something. This will give her the much more needed synergy she needs.
Kor of Memory
Member
I think it said between 11am and 1pm, so most likely.
I've been enjoying Hanzo lately. He's not effective in a lot of situations, but when you go ham and destroy the entire enemy team, it feels great. I can understand the hate, but I can also understand why people enjoy him.
I'll probably never touch him in comp, but I haven't been playing comp at all recently anyway.
Psychoward
Banned
It was in comp
Human Trashcan
Banned
The problem with 2 is that would incentivize her to be a backline fighter with the rest of the team, which is precisely how she is NOT meant to be played. A lot of awful Sombras try to play her like that, like a bad Soldier basically. Low health vision suits her kit because theoretically she's a backline assassin who can finish off low targets before teleporting back to safety. Doing these 2 things would make her more of a mediocre support hero than enhance what she's meant to be doing.
If you can't play Pharah how is that my problem? I saw and played as her plenty last night. If pro genji thinks he can't be esports then the only thing I'm worried about is finding my tiny violin.
KINGofCRA5H
Member
Playing the random brawl almost exclusively has made me want to play more characters. Sombra and Zen can be a lot of fun.
Yea, whats the chance that they release a balance update this week?
Maybe something will be thrown on to PTR this week, but most likely not going live this week
Playing Zen makes it harder to go on tilt, he's such a chill motherfucker.
Man I wish I wasn't in gold. I have to play healer every game with hopeless players. Nobody would go hitscan even though a pharah was wrecking us two games in a row! I asked so many times. Plus nobody communicates and let's you know their supers are ready etc.
I'm not great at the game but I at least understand what picks work, positioning etc. It's just hopeless solo queuing. There's literally nothing I can do to climb up.
I'm not great at the game but I at least understand what picks work, positioning etc. It's just hopeless solo queuing. There's literally nothing I can do to climb up.
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