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[ohkay]

Wherever I see people post stuff like this I always wonder just what would you rather see dva built to do? Because she's designed to tend to the very things you're complaining about.

Dva isn't about damage. She can do a decent amount if left unchecked but her damage has always been additive of the teams and not a big killer herself. She's great at catching runaways though.

Just because that's what Dva was designed to do doesn't mean that she wasn't too strong. She shouldn't be allowed to do all of that unchecked. 400 armor/200 hp was too much to deal with, and Blizzard are trying to bring her more in line.

Just to be clear, I play a fair amount of Dva and have since launch, but it is healthier for the game to have her be weak than too strong so that all the characters she counters can be viable.

 

[Don Friday]

I say "Hi" to test if anyone else will. Even if no one else talks back I'll still do call outs over mic and people usually listen even if they aren't talking back.

It's amazing the number of broken microphones that are out there

 

[Antiwhippy]

One of my pet peeves.

People say hi on mic during character select.
Dony say anything during the game

Why
You
On
Mic
Fohhh

To say hi.

 

[NeoRaider]

22 loot boxes into this event. I havent goten a single event item rarer than blue. fuck blizzard and ruck rng unlocks

Wow that's a lot of boxes and really bad luck. Not even Epic event item?? :/

I got so many sprays with that dragon and icons, but i do every event so i am getting used to it. I don't remember last time i opened box with 2 Legendary items. Actually i think that it happened only once or twice fot me.

 

[Blues1990]

Let me stop you right there.

Oh, boo to you!

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Wow that's a lot of boxes and really bad luck. Not even Epic event item?? :/

I got so many sprays with that dragon and icons, but i do every event so i sm getting used to it. I don't remember last time i opened box with 2 Legendary items. Actually i think that it happened only once or twice got me.

no epics, no legends, lots of dupes

 

[LucidMomentum]

*Three teammates die to a flanker behind the tank*

Tank says "We need to group up guys!" on mic.

I know how Winston feels.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Cause if a player is good and isn't distracted mechless D.Va maybe has two seconds to live.

That's why they buffed her by giving her that new skin.

 

[NeoRaider]

no epics, no legends, lots of dupes

That's really bad luck.
I am sure that they are doing something during the events to increase duplicate drops and there is just too much usless sprays and icons.

 

[therealist]

Does arcade mode have a limit on how many game modes it can have? Why get rid of 1v1? Let's say it did have a limit, at least get rid of All Brawls before 1v1. I don't think All Brawls is that popular.

 

[Blues1990]

That's why they buffed her by giving her that new skin.

I honestly thought she was wearing shorts under that dress. :/

 

[Rickenslacker]

Does arcade mode have a limit on how many game modes it can have? Why get rid of 1v1? Let's say it did have a limit, at least get rid of All Brawls before 1v1. I don't think All Brawls is that popular.

I believe the rationale is that they rotate it out based on popularity, they don't want population spread too thin and some modes already have a hard time garnering players.

 

[Newtype-001]

so they can complain about people not being on the mic later :^)

To say hi.

 

[jviggy43]

I just want Diamond, is all. Playing my heart out every game and being asked to play what I'm not good at is starting to bother me though.

Seeing 4-5 diamond rank icons in each of my games yet they're the same SR I am is like Blizzard slapping me in the face.

"Oh sure those guys made it but you never will. Heck they're not even Diamond anymore but sure we'll throw them at you like a river of bodies for you to trip over and make you wonder what they did different that you aren't doing."

Odds are it's I just don't play enough but I already devote hours a week to this game.

Diamond was easily the most toxic and obnoxious skill group to get out of (I know youre not there yet but youre playing with some). Be flexible but from my experience so many people in that group insta lock DPS who shouldnt and if you are playing characters you aren't as good with switch off and dont listen to them complain. I usually give it a round or so before I say this isnt working, and if they arent as flexible as you are in making that switch they can deal with not having a tank or support, or whatever really.

 

[ivanthebearable]

Diamond is almost worse than Platinum tbh.

WAY more people who meme/are stubborn as hell and don't communicate. Also WAAAAY more people who just outright become salt factories and start screaming at people.

At least in Plat, even if people weren't always the best, they tend to at least try more.

 

[Terareflection]

Still looking for people to queue with on PS4 NA, 2500 range, PSN: ElzaWalker.

 

[LucidMomentum]

Diamond was easily the most toxic and obnoxious skill group to get out of (I know youre not there yet but youre playing with some). Be flexible but from my experience so many people in that group insta lock DPS who shouldnt and if you are playing characters you aren't as good with switch off and dont listen to them complain. I usually give it a round or so before I say this isnt working, and if they arent as flexible as you are in making that switch they can deal with not having a tank or support, or whatever really.

Diamond is almost worse than Platinum tbh.

WAY more people who meme/are stubborn as hell and don't communicate. Also WAAAAY more people who just outright become salt factories and start screaming at people.

At least in Plat, even if people weren't always the best, they tend to at least try more.

Good to know lol.

Last night I had a two stack that was just being super toxic and when I said, "alright if voice chat is gonna be this rough I'm gonna mute it so I don't tilt. Using chat wheel from now on." and one of the guys says "I'm diamond don't argue with me."

We lost that one hard, understandably.

I shouldn't be afraid to switch off support / tank to switch to DPS if we're having trouble getting picks. I gotta just tough it out and grind it up.

 

[ivanthebearable]

I shouldn't be afraid to switch off support / tank to switch to DPS if we're having trouble getting picks. I gotta just tough it out and grind it up.

This is actually a good thing to do on occasion. Even if it means picking something off-meta sometimes.

I've had so many rounds that we were getting rolled completely and I decided to switch off whatever people demanded of me and use who I KNOW I can be at least good with in my own way and it completely changed the match. For me I've switched to Attack Symmetra/Sombra/Tracer when I was told to heal or tank or whatever when we were losing and it hasn't lost me a single game yet.

 

[komaruR]

Good to know lol.

Last night I had a two stack that was just being super toxic and when I said, "alright if voice chat is gonna be this rough I'm gonna mute it so I don't tilt. Using chat wheel from now on." and one of the guys says "I'm diamond don't argue with me."

We lost that one hard, understandably.

I shouldn't be afraid to switch off support / tank to switch to DPS if we're having trouble getting picks. I gotta just tough it out and grind it up.

He/she was diamond. Now where are they now? Plat!
Because they are currently in the same mmr pool, it just means you should have equal skill to play your best char too if they can't play their role properly.

 

[Fugu]

I think a better approach is to become competent/good with a more diverse array of characters. I think it's almost impossible to make it past plat if you can't play at least a bit of all three roles.

I prefer to play support but I don't have to.

 

[LucidMomentum]

He/she was diamond. Now where are they now? Plat!
Because they are currently in the same mmr pool, it just means you should have equal skill to play your best char too if they can't play their role properly.

Yeah exactly. It's like well if you were true DIamond you'd be in the 3000s, not in the 2800s.

But like, I don't know why but I just want that icon SO MUCH it frustrated me to be in this 1-200 SR range for so long.

Happened to me last season in 2400-2600, and I've finally cracked that this season but 2900 just seems almost impossible for me.

I think a better approach is to become competent/good with a more diverse array of characters. I think it's almost impossible to make it past plat if you can't play at least a bit of all three roles.

I prefer to play support but I don't have to.

I have a character I can play well in any role, so I can fill in if needed. But if someone asks me to support and they can't DPS, I should stop trying to support better and just go DPS to make up for it.

Problem is there's multiple games where I feel like I need to be the Rein, the Soldier, and the Ana but I can't do them all at the same time.

Don't even get me started on the 3700 peak player in 2700 who spent all game telling us how shit we were and he didn't feel we "deserved" to win so he threw.

 

[Ghazi]

Diamond was easily the most toxic and obnoxious skill group to get out of (I know youre not there yet but youre playing with some). Be flexible but from my experience so many people in that group insta lock DPS who shouldnt and if you are playing characters you aren't as good with switch off and dont listen to them complain. I usually give it a round or so before I say this isnt working, and if they arent as flexible as you are in making that switch they can deal with not having a tank or support, or whatever really.

See your advice doesn't work, though. This season I tried to be way more open about switching to other roles in order to accommodate people, because at the end of the day all that should matter is winning, but few people want to leave their comfort zone for the better of the team. Most people are too stubborn to even consider switching. I'm curious as to if some part of the matchmaking algorithm takes into account what roles you've played the most.

 

[Fugu]

I have a character I can play well in any role, so I can fill in if needed. But if someone asks me to support and they can't DPS, I should stop trying to support better and just go DPS to make up for it.

Problem is there's multiple games where I feel like I need to be the Rein, the Soldier, and the Ana but I can't do them all at the same time.

Don't even get me started on the 3700 peak player in 2700 who spent all game telling us how shit we were and he didn't feel we "deserved" to win so he threw.

Then you end up with too many people on DPS and you lose the game.

No question high plat is an easy place to get stuck in, but the reason that's true is that people have "mains" and get too attached to playing one role. When you mix a large percentage of specialized players together you roll a lot of combinations of six that don't have the knowledge or skill to create a diverse team.

Ironically, the reason you have Torb mains in master (on the PC) is that the rest of the team is usually capable of making a team composition that works without anyone having to pick heroes they're really bad at.

See your advice doesn't work, though. This season I tried to be way more open about switching to other roles in order to accommodate people, because at the end of the day all that should matter is winning. Most people are too stubborn to even consider switching. I'm curious as to if some part of the matchmaking algorithm takes into account what roles you've played the most.

You're assuming that your other DPS don't also have positive win ratios on DPS and didn't lose because of their mediocre Lucio.

I'm not saying that's true, but you having a low win rate with Lucio and a high win rate on tank and DPS, to me, means you probably need to get better at healing, not play DPS more.

 

[LiK]

Are people better with Widowmaker in console or did she get a secret buff. Got wrecked by one just now.

 

[antitrop]

one of the guys says "I'm diamond don't argue with me."

Don't even get me started on the 3700 peak player in 2700 who spent all game telling us how shit we were and he didn't feel we "deserved" to win so he threw.

 

[Ghazi]

You're assuming that your other DPS don't also have positive win ratios on DPS and didn't lose because of their mediocre Lucio.

I'm not saying that's true, but you having a low win rate with Lucio and a high win rate on tank and DPS, to me, means you probably need to get better at healing, not play DPS more.

Nah I make it very clear at the start of the match that I'm a poor healer, no one cares. I don't talk about stats at all, I simply say I'm more suited to any role that isn't support but am willing to work with the team to make their desired comp work. The stats weren't to brag, they were to show that even if you communicate with your teammates it doesn't matter.

I really dig that the immediate assumption is that I'm a dogshit Lucio. I may not be good in that role, but I at least try to pull my weight there and make it clear upfront.

Rein never saw it coming.

How wide is the limit on turn radius for the hook these days?

 

[ohkay]

Nah I make it very clear at the start of the match that I'm a poor healer, no one cares. I don't talk about stats at all, I simply say I'm more suited to any role that isn't support.

Maybe you should practice playing support so when you have to fill those roles you can do a better job

 

[Diablohead]

Rein never saw it coming.

 

[Antiwhippy]

I mean it's better to have a more rounded hero pool for sure, but also i don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with being more specialised.

Also if you like playing dps try diversifying towards ana and Zen as your healer.

 

[Blu(e)]

Had battle Mercy on our team and still won.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Rein never saw it coming.

...

That still works? :/

Thought they fixed that.

 

[LucidMomentum]

Then you end up with too many people on DPS and you lose the game.

No question high plat is an easy place to get stuck in, but the reason that's true is that people have "mains" and get too attached to playing one role. When you mix a large percentage of specialized players together you roll a lot of combinations of six that don't have the knowledge or skill to create a diverse team.

Ironically, the reason you have Torb mains in master (on the PC) is that the rest of the team is usually capable of making a team composition that works without anyone having to pick heroes they're really bad at.

You're assuming that your other DPS don't also have positive win ratios on DPS and didn't lose because of their mediocre Lucio.

I'm not saying that's true, but you having a low win rate with Lucio and a high win rate on tank and DPS, to me, means you probably need to get better at healing, not play DPS more.

You speak truth, my guy.

Season one I played the shit out of supports so I know how to support okay I feel, but then when I'm asked to support we have like a 40% win rate or something. Hard to tell if that's because I'm not pulling my weight as support, or if the rest of the team is having trouble picking up their slack.

Season two I played a lot of Tank and this season I've been playing a lot of DPS. Quick play / brawls I usually play Defense to practice / warm up.

I love this game and it bugs me so much when we have a Genji getting countered hard asking us all to change to counter his counter instead of him just changing, because he "mains" that one character lol.

Maybe you should practice playing support so when you have to fill those roles you can do a better job

Yeah I've got hours on almost every hero and I usually play supports to warm up / practice for a round or two to get in the mood for comp.

The funny thing is, I stream to keep myself from being too toxic / tilted, so I've got recordings of all of these matches. They're sad in retrospect but hilarious when it's going on.

One night I had a Diamond Torbjorn main on our team who when asked to go Rein said it would probably lose the game since he was a much better Torb. People weren't having it.

Next game he's on my team again and it's KotH. He instalocks Torb and before anyone speaks I say "trust me he's a solid Torb let him play and see what he can do!"

3-0. EZ.

Part of me knows I'm no pro, part of me knows I need to learn the game a bit more.

Part of me wishes other people were are adamant about getting better as most of GAF is. I love comp because I get to learn under high stakes. I don't like it because some people treat it like a meme or quick play.

 

[Diablohead]

How wide is the limit on turn radius for the hook these days?

it's about 90 degrees each side of you, just enough that if you are walking over the bridge you can scoop them over.

 

[Lyng]

it's about 90 degrees each side of you, just enough that if you are walking over the bridge you can scoop them over.

Damn quickplay is horrible....and the shittiest players BM'ing like mad when they finally get carried to a win...

 

[Fugu]

Nah I make it very clear at the start of the match that I'm a poor healer, no one cares. I don't talk about stats at all, I simply say I'm more suited to any role that isn't support but am willing to work with the team to make their desired comp work. The stats weren't to brag, they were to show that even if you communicate with your teammates it doesn't matter.

I really dig that the immediate assumption is that I'm a dogshit Lucio. I may not be good in that role, but I at least try to pull my weight there and make it clear upfront.

I'm not assuming you're a dogshit Lucio. I'm saying that you interpreting your low Lucio winrate as evidence that you should have been playing DPS in those games is just one interpretation of that situation and a better way to buck that trend would be to get better as a healer.

The truth is that a lot of people believe that they're the best DPS on their team, even when they're not playing DPS. Since most functional teams will contain two (or less) DPS, it is pretty likely that the number of people who believe they are the best DPS players on the team will outnumber the people who actually get to play DPS. And yeah, it's annoying when you don't get the role you're best at, but when that role is DPS and most of the people who play this game are best at playing DPS, it makes more sense to get better at the other roles than it does to try to force your way into playing damage.

In short:

Maybe you should practice playing support so when you have to fill those roles you can do a better job

This.

It's better to accept that you're not going to get DPS most of the time than it is to try to force yourself onto the role. I played a lot of high level Quake and I can DPS very well in this game but I basically never do because so many people can *only* DPS.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Lmao. This is the most broken Hog has ever felt.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Also don't assume that because lucio has a low skill floor that you can just play lucio for EZ heals. Learning to be good as lucio is honestly pretty tough, especially in solo Q. Healers in general test your game sense and positioning far more than most classes except for tanking.

 

[Kremzeek]

Rein never saw it coming.

holy crap the RANGE ON THAT HOOK!!

ridiculous.

 

[finalflame]

Also don't assume that because lucio has a low skill floor that you can just play lucio for EZ heals. Learning to be good as lucio is honestly pretty tough, especially in solo Q. Healers in general test your game sense and positioning far more than most classes except for tanking.

So..more than DPS? The only real "classes" in this game are DPS, Tank, and Healer.

 

[Jellie]

Since we are discussing Lucio, anyone able to review my gameplay on him? Haven't played him much since the speed boost nerf so wanna know if my positioning needs improving since I can't rely on speed boost as much and if I'm using speed boost too much vs healing?

 

[Antiwhippy]

It's a matter of degrees. Out of position DPS might be able to frag their way out. Kinda the same for tanks. Thing is with tanks and supports it's a matter a positioning in relation to the whole team and the enemy team as well. Soldier for example you can pretty much setup on high ground and be good.

Which is why I like playing rein because it's a real test of those skills.

I reckon the reason most aren't good at support or tanks, or think they aren't good at support or tanks, is because they have tunnel vision really.

 

[Lyng]

So..more than DPS? The only real "classes" in this game are DPS, Tank, and Healer.

And disruptor apparently

 

[cyborg009]

This new patch made my roadhog hooks scary. I played two games with him and had 70% accuracy.

 

[Anne]

The idea of the trinity of roles in the game is starting to become outdated anyways. If you've noticed some pro teams don't really have people in as defined roles anymore. It's smarter to have half your team be specialized because you need like Rein/Lucio specialists, and then just let the other half be flex/DPS players that can do whatever you ask of them.

Like I still see myself as a DPS player more often than not, but I also do dedicate a lot of time to tanks and supports. I can't be literally the best person on my team to pick any of the 10+ DPS heroes as well as tanks.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Eh, I feel like if you're an ana you would flex over to zen. Vice versa.

Also quite a number of lucios flexing over to sym on first point defense.

 

[Prelude.]

Playing near the launch of an event is always a special experience in terms of players pool.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Actually I do wonder how the ana nerf would affect sym usage, because a lot of pro teams were using her because they could bank on their top tier anas to pretty much solo heal. Not that ana's healing isn't still ridiculous.

You can get away with sym as dps on our level but not for the pro scene.

 

[Rickenslacker]

holy crap the RANGE ON THAT HOOK!!

ridiculous.

I actually had a moment the other day where I was literally just outside of its range and got a real close up view of the event legendary Hog hook in my face. Frightening.

 

[Anne]

To make an example really quick, EnVyUs kind of has this going on. They have three DPS "mains" on their team. They have a Lucio player that can flex tank, one of their DPS players is converted into a flex/tank player now, and another DPS can flex Lucio too. HarryHook, Mickie, and InternetHulk all have flex attached to them. Meanwhile the other half is Taimou, Cocco, and Chips being extremely dedicated to being masters of their roles. Even then, Cocco and Chips are more than prepared to flex if you have ever seen them stream.

Cloud9 has the same shit going on too. Gods, Surefour, and Mendo can all play DPS and flex no problem.

I'm pretty sure this is going to be the future of the game.

 

[antitrop]

You can't break the arcade screens on Hanamura attack spawn, anymore. Weird bugs with this patch.