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Overwatch |OT8| Our love will last Pharah-ver
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Supposedly a fix to rooster year Mei's waist.
That's a lot of data for thicc mei.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753275781
Still didn't fix the KOTH toggle glitch.
Shake Appeal
Member
Map fixes are most of the weight, I'm getting.
Head of Vengarl
Banned
Did somebody call a doctor?
I didn't but I want to now.
veloxStrix
Banned
It's so weird how many people don't know how to play Defense on Gibraltar.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
It blows my mind how long it takes people to drop from the high ground and try to hold at server room.
So many wait until the payload is 10m from the checkpoint before they stop spawn camping.
Bumbletron
Member
So I got bored at work and decided to make a tier list.
This is based on my own experiences and how I feel/see heroes doing at higher levels of play:
S tier: Can adapt and perform well against any comp/situation. Lucio's backwards wall ride vastly improves his maneuverability and survival options. Eveything else for the hero, including speedboost and sb are invaluable to this day. Roadhog at higher levels of play has too many tools to be a huge asset. As long as there is a shielding tank, he is nearly unstoppable when played well. The counters to his hook are shredded by right click, hooking and killing has become so consistent 200 hp heroes will never survive and tanks will likely die immediately as well (ironically the damage out of hook means that if your dps works with you, you actually may want to hook first in a hog fight). In addition to dealing sizeable damage and one shotting at 10-12 m. He is almost a necessity on any team.
A tier: can be played in nearly any comp without needing to switch to remain effective. Mei is iffy to me, but I do believe that her damage output/cc/shielding is far too good to ever consider her a detriment to the team. On the whole this tier shouldn't be too surprising other than Mei. The heavy reductions to D.Va have brought McCree back, and while he is not as good as 76 in many comps, he excels more against dives focusing on Winston/Tracer over Soldier. Ana remains the best healer in the game.
B tier: can be very effective most of the time but requires some synergy and possible switching if situations turn sour. Winston is at the top of this tier, as he has risen greatly with D.Va falling off the chart. Playing around Hog is not too bad for him, as long as he has support from other divers. Sombra in the third position is due to the massive buffs hack has received meaning more support to the team in actual fights. In addition, EMP still wins fights easily. An underrated hero, albeit one with one of the highest intellectual barriers. Reaper may rise more, but Hog actually makes life surprisingly difficult for him, esp with support and healing from Ana.
C Tier: heroes based on momentum. They can work if you are extremely proficient with them, but almost always have more preferable choices in most comps. Hanzo is above Widow as he has sonar arrow (whereas venom mine is near useless), can defend himself, and can provide more consistent damage and a more mobile team than Widow, who causes her team to play much more slowly and hope she can land shots. Mercy's res can turn things around, but so much hitscan makes her life much harder.
D Tier: extremely situational. D.Va was hit hard by the nerfs. Armor reduction means that soldier can tear through her with ease, she's less of a hard counter to winston, and she can't shield/stall nearly as well in the last few meters of a push. She also deals less damage overall and will generally not be able to get away in time while retaining mech. Junkrat remains purely situational in most matches. Torb, while still good, cannot fight off a tankier comp. In addition his turrets only serve to feed Zarya charge and are not as much use in a fight as they would be against squishier comps. Armor is nice, esp with Sym, but is generally not worth the trade off in dps and support slots.
F Tier: Bastion. When played at the same level as the other team, the team with Bastion will lose purely due to mobility and focused fire. Needs more tools. Hopefully the upcoming patch fixes this issue.
Again these are my views based on how I see the game/what I am seeing at the moment. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
This is based on my own experiences and how I feel/see heroes doing at higher levels of play:
S tier: Can adapt and perform well against any comp/situation. Lucio's backwards wall ride vastly improves his maneuverability and survival options. Eveything else for the hero, including speedboost and sb are invaluable to this day. Roadhog at higher levels of play has too many tools to be a huge asset. As long as there is a shielding tank, he is nearly unstoppable when played well. The counters to his hook are shredded by right click, hooking and killing has become so consistent 200 hp heroes will never survive and tanks will likely die immediately as well (ironically the damage out of hook means that if your dps works with you, you actually may want to hook first in a hog fight). In addition to dealing sizeable damage and one shotting at 10-12 m. He is almost a necessity on any team.
A tier: can be played in nearly any comp without needing to switch to remain effective. Mei is iffy to me, but I do believe that her damage output/cc/shielding is far too good to ever consider her a detriment to the team. On the whole this tier shouldn't be too surprising other than Mei. The heavy reductions to D.Va have brought McCree back, and while he is not as good as 76 in many comps, he excels more against dives focusing on Winston/Tracer over Soldier. Ana remains the best healer in the game.
B tier: can be very effective most of the time but requires some synergy and possible switching if situations turn sour. Winston is at the top of this tier, as he has risen greatly with D.Va falling off the chart. Playing around Hog is not too bad for him, as long as he has support from other divers. Sombra in the third position is due to the massive buffs hack has received meaning more support to the team in actual fights. In addition, EMP still wins fights easily. An underrated hero, albeit one with one of the highest intellectual barriers. Reaper may rise more, but Hog actually makes life surprisingly difficult for him, esp with support and healing from Ana.
C Tier: heroes based on momentum. They can work if you are extremely proficient with them, but almost always have more preferable choices in most comps. Hanzo is above Widow as he has sonar arrow (whereas venom mine is near useless), can defend himself, and can provide more consistent damage and a more mobile team than Widow, who causes her team to play much more slowly and hope she can land shots. Mercy's res can turn things around, but so much hitscan makes her life much harder.
D Tier: extremely situational. D.Va was hit hard by the nerfs. Armor reduction means that soldier can tear through her with ease, she's less of a hard counter to winston, and she can't shield/stall nearly as well in the last few meters of a push. She also deals less damage overall and will generally not be able to get away in time while retaining mech. Junkrat remains purely situational in most matches. Torb, while still good, cannot fight off a tankier comp. In addition his turrets only serve to feed Zarya charge and are not as much use in a fight as they would be against squishier comps. Armor is nice, esp with Sym, but is generally not worth the trade off in dps and support slots.
F Tier: Bastion. When played at the same level as the other team, the team with Bastion will lose purely due to mobility and focused fire. Needs more tools. Hopefully the upcoming patch fixes this issue.
Again these are my views based on how I see the game/what I am seeing at the moment. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753275781
Still didn't fix the KOTH toggle glitch.
Oh never knew about the reinhardt glitch.
Is that what happens to the rein here?
Seemed to go down really fast and no cracks.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Tracer should be higher, really.
Ya, that looks like a prime example.
Bumbletron
Member
Tracer is as high as she can be atm, I feel. There are just too many situations wherein she can just not survive long enough to perform adequately for that tier at the moment. She is still fantastic, but the threshold I view for A is that the hero is useable in just about any map in any situation. She just doesn't quite have that amount of versatility.
Pharah is interesting in that it is more a synergy thing. She needs Mercy to be able to work. If your team runs Mercy, Lucio is nearly mandatory, but he doesn't do as much healing nowadays. This causes overall team synergy to suffer. As it is, you have to dive super hard to get pharah to work, and there are honestly better divers who can get the same reward for less risk at the moment.
Pharah is interesting in that it is more a synergy thing. She needs Mercy to be able to work. If your team runs Mercy, Lucio is nearly mandatory, but he doesn't do as much healing nowadays. This causes overall team synergy to suffer. As it is, you have to dive super hard to get pharah to work, and there are honestly better divers who can get the same reward for less risk at the moment.
xaosslug
Member
"Lucio or Ana instead? Or even Zen would be better, at least he's got discord. Just NOT Mercy. Please. Switch awf!"
Terareflection
Member
Snipers I feel are A tier if we go by highest potential. They do a lot of damage.
Tracer, Pharah, and D.va should go up 1 as well.
Tracer, Pharah, and D.va should go up 1 as well.
TWrecks310
Banned
Shadow_Lord
Member
Am I the only getting disconnected consistently from server? PS4 here.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
just petition for hero bans in competitive :>
Karsticles
Member
Banning...your own team's picks? lol
Ghost is Bad
Banned
works in league of legends and dota :^)
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Those games have 100+ heroes though.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
yeah and they both have these legendary heroes that nobody ever wants on their team like torb or yasuo or jungle LC.
Terareflection
Member
Ew. No. Map bans sure, but hero? No.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
dw it'll just be restricted to 1 ban per team so now everyone gets to point more fingers at each other when their team loses.
They entire system is fucked I stopped losing sleep over it
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I find my sr loss pretty even. Most times i gain more than i lose.
Karsticles
Member
The ban would have to be popular vote, then, and it would probably be used to ban Reinhardt.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Wait.
Why would they want to ban one of the best characters in the game.
Why would they want to ban one of the best characters in the game.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
so you can play comps other than the full tank comps we always see.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You don't even see full tanks comps that much anymore.
Okay, I'm gonna say it. I preferred the tank meta to whats going on now. It's not that I want tanks to rain supreme and agree that Ana is still the best and most annoying healer, but now everything dies too quick. D.Va's mech is made of paper mache, everybody playing Roadhog instakills nearly everyone (I know on higher levels this happened, but not everybody knew about RH's intricacies so often had a decent chance of surviving), and Soldier is still a fucking asshole that shouldn't have been buffed in the first place.
I might have a skewed perspective on things because I've been on a hard losing streak with some of the worst series of teammates I've ever had over the last few days. I've had worse teammates than what I have here on average, but I've never had them one after another like this. I'm just not having a fun time with the game right now, which is annoying because I love this event and want to get all the costumes. But I think in 6 hours of playing today, I had one single win except for Random Heroes, is almost 100% based on pure luck.
I might have a skewed perspective on things because I've been on a hard losing streak with some of the worst series of teammates I've ever had over the last few days. I've had worse teammates than what I have here on average, but I've never had them one after another like this. I'm just not having a fun time with the game right now, which is annoying because I love this event and want to get all the costumes. But I think in 6 hours of playing today, I had one single win except for Random Heroes, is almost 100% based on pure luck.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Remember the zen meta?
I agree that damage in general is kinda too high in this game but seriously the TtK is now is nothing like the zen meta.
I agree that damage in general is kinda too high in this game but seriously the TtK is now is nothing like the zen meta.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
i liked when i could play reaper and not have it be a troll pick.
most of my favorite heroes are low tier now. feels bad man.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
He's not a troll pick though. Envyus was bringing back reaper to great effect even when people say that he's unplayable.
People get way too hung up about the "meta" to realise that it might not apply to what they're playing, and it also might not be as rigid as they think it is.
People get way too hung up about the "meta" to realise that it might not apply to what they're playing, and it also might not be as rigid as they think it is.
Garrett Hawke
Member
I do think they need to do something about Reinhardt. He is too good, by design, but nerfing his shield HP or anything like that would make him unfun to play. It already goes down in seconds if it's focused. But I just feel like things would be so much more dynamic without him.
I'm curious how seasonal stuff is going to work in year 2. I've gotten pretty much everything I wanted from every event minus a few exceptions. If it's anything like WoW's holiday events, I can't imagine them adding too much if anything for next years events. Just reusing the old ones. I guess we'll see though.
TWrecks310
Banned
The problem with Rein is that nothing can reliably block his ult except for another Rein and he will always get ridiculous value off of it.
If one team uses him, it feels like the other team has to as well.
If one team uses him, it feels like the other team has to as well.
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