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Overwatch |OT8| Our love will last Pharah-ver
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Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Had a 2 match deficit today (went 4-6) but I only lost 1 SR at the end of the session.
I'll take it.
Though really, I seem to be gaining a lot more SR than I'm losing nowadays.
And this is mainly playing support.
I'll take it.
Though really, I seem to be gaining a lot more SR than I'm losing nowadays.
And this is mainly playing support.
Yeah, this is mad important. The timing I tend to use is engage with E on whoever is going in hard, use shift to fight and charge, then hold E for an extended period until it's needed. The important part is making the judgement call on if you will have the engage or if you're going to get engaged on. If you get engaged on you basically do what I just said in reverse order most of the time.
By far the biggest mistake I see is thinking the engage is coming and then blowing E early. If Zarya has E up any engage with her in LOS is an issue, if you see her pop E that's 10s to get your engage going. I'll legit wait until a healer is halfway dead before I drop E because of this in solo queue. Bonus points fi they throw a CD into the shield trying to kill the healer I guess.
On a side note that's how CDs are supposed to work for heroes that have extremely powerful engagement options >_> ya know, long enough to react and work with >_>
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Roxkis_ii
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Hey guys, I visit the official overwatch forums a lot and i just wanted to get your guys opinion on elo hell. Most high ranked players say it's an excuse. People suck in it say it's real.
I haven't experienced it personally, but i'm likely aren't playing overwatch as much as others.
I haven't experienced it personally, but i'm likely aren't playing overwatch as much as others.
Ghost is Bad
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elo hell is fake
Roxkis_ii
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What makes you say that?
It is pretty rough. It's a lot easier if someone is helping to at least distract the Pharah so that she's not just 1v1ing me.
Having a DVa or Winston harassing her and denying her a safe landing area works wonders.
I do notice my kill rate drops dramatically when I'm dealing with Pharah too, because Soldier is so good at just pewpewing everyone in range.
because if "youre stuck" in whatever tier you are whether it be silver, gold, plat, diamond etc its probably because you really arent better than where you are ranked.
When I first started playing Overwatch and played comp for the first time in Season 2, I got ranked very low plat, I dropped down to very low gold near silver. I solo Qd my way out of Gold, out of plat, and into diamond. I came within 200 SR this season of hitting master, majority Solo Q.
I dont think "elo hell" exists, its just that people think they are better than they really are and always feel they should be ranked higher.
Nuno Pinto
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Feels good.
QP, but surprisingly it was actually a pretty good match, almost 9m long. After being completely destroyed when playing as Zen against good Tracers in KOTH I decided to start playing as Ana much more regularly, and it has been incredibly fun lately. The combo sleepdart->shot->grenade->shot is amazing.
QP, but surprisingly it was actually a pretty good match, almost 9m long. After being completely destroyed when playing as Zen against good Tracers in KOTH I decided to start playing as Ana much more regularly, and it has been incredibly fun lately. The combo sleepdart->shot->grenade->shot is amazing.
Ghost is Bad
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high elo in LoL. winning when youre vastly superior in skill to everyone else is the same in every game, and is much easier in overwatch compared to ARTS style games.
scotcheggz
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I started playing roughly at the start of this season and guys.. I think I need help. Apart from just practice and playing, is there anything you guys suggest to watch or do that can help out for improving? I spent like an hour yesterday watching a youtube video about positioning with Ana for example. I haven't played FPS in ages but this is fun (when I don't want to kill mouthy children lol). I'm way down in Bronze which tbh is probably where I belong but I wouldn't mind getting better!
I need help...
I need help...
Terareflection
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I've been having some lag issues on PS4. Makes playing hitscan difficult. Weird thing is I am on wired. Anyone having problems?
QP is better now than it used to be. I think a lot of people have quit Comp for S3. Guess the gold weapons are no longer novel. Plenty of people in my list aren't even ranked in Comp this season. Most of them are just in QP or Arcade. So of course, QP has people who actually wanna win and not dick around as much.
Ghost is Bad
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I started playing roughly at the start of this season and guys.. I think I need help. Apart from just practice and playing, is there anything you guys suggest to watch or do that can help out for improving? I spent like an hour yesterday watching a youtube video about positioning with Ana for example. I haven't played FPS in ages but this is fun (when I don't want to kill mouthy children lol). I'm way down in Bronze which tbh is probably where I belong but I wouldn't mind getting better!
I need help...
dont play stuff ur not good at lol
The fact I can level an account from plat to almost GM in under a week with minimal effort
It's possible to get a bit stuck if you're not good enough to carry a bit, but if elo hell were actually real then I'd just be stuck in plat with my shitty teammates holding me back right? I guess this is a not-so-stealth brag but I honestly don't think I'm all that nice at the game and anybody can do it with time/effort/practice.
I started playing roughly at the start of this season and guys.. I think I need help. Apart from just practice and playing, is there anything you guys suggest to watch or do that can help out for improving? I spent like an hour yesterday watching a youtube video about positioning with Ana for example. I haven't played FPS in ages but this is fun (when I don't want to kill mouthy children lol). I'm way down in Bronze which tbh is probably where I belong but I wouldn't mind getting better!
I need help...
Maybe stop looking at your stats and just have fun. Play heroes you enjoy and try your best. And if you're not that good at FPS, why are you playing Comp? Just play QP to practice.
Ghost is Bad
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ill give the same advice that i gave to silver lolgaf a while back; play to get better not to climb. otherwise youll just be in this endless cycle of rage and despair at ranked.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
But what if I'm really into an endless cycle of rage and despair.
While I'm here, I just saw captainplanet dude's tier thing. I still think the way he does tiering is pretty shit. Usage rates are good to know, but the way he constructs his tiers is really misleading. There are very good heroes with low ass usage rates in pro matches for the most benign reasons. People just see "oh that hero is F tier" and don't pick them ever :<
LucidMomentum
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Yep.
Also focus on one or two things per match, nothing more than that or you'll be overwhelmed.
Hate mail from a team mate. Basically "fuck you why didn't you save me from the Reinhardt ult stop playing support". I was the only healer on my team, it was defense on Anubis. We were getting rolled over because we didn't have a tank either. End of game screen I was the only one on our team with a card. It was for transcendence healing. I took a screenshot and sent it to him with the message "orly? wtf were you doing then?". Shut him up real quick.
This is the exact same reason why 80% of people think they are "above-average" drivers.
Incendiary
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I've gotten better at taking out Pharahs as Soldier, although it's also partly because I've been trying to practice with McCree in QP and I've gotten a little better at landing head shots on her as she's floating around.
I just hate having to be on Pharah duty because it leaves me exposed. I was doing a comp game last night and I started getting tilted because the enemy Pharah was wrecking our team, but every time I tried to focus her down a Tracer/Genji started harassing me and I couldn't get her. I find that's my biggest problem with Pharah duty - any flankers know to immediately go for Soldier to give Pharah room to breathe. And if you don't have the time to take her down, she can rain death on you and then go back to harassing the rest of the team.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
be me and get chat banned for toxicity
Ghost is Bad
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oh yeah and stop 1 tricking heroes. its just as dumb here as it is in dota (unless its reinhardt kek)
Roxkis_ii
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I think it takes a lot more to rank up as a solo player than a person who has a stack.
A solo player has to have to ability to carry in bad situations to win consistently, which (correct me if i'm wrong) requires you to play on a level 2x higher than your peers to dominate the enemy team. I think it maybe people stuck in that skill gap that feel like they're in elo hell. They may play on good team and do well, but when they get on bad teams, they aren't able to make up the for the team's weakness which leads to frustration and salt.
That's just conjecture on my end, as I play in a stack, so we as a stack can make up our team's weakness better than someone playing solo.
This is my first team game, so all these concepts are interesting to me.
Got in a similar situation, got blamed when I also had to watch out for a Genji from behind the entire time. I can't watch 2 directions. >_>
Funny how useless our Genji was though. Their's would get 2 or 3 kills before dying... ours couldn't even finish off the Mercy.
I guess what has been working for me at times like that is just taking continual pot shots at them from range. Even if I cant kill her. Forcing her down and to run and find heals will buy some time. While hopefully then being able to work in some damage on the payload crew.
What tf do I gotta do to carry with soldierThe fact I can level an account from plat to almost GM in under a week with minimal effort
It's possible to get a bit stuck if you're not good enough to carry a bit, but if elo hell were actually real then I'd just be stuck in plat with my shitty teammates holding me back right? I guess this is a not-so-stealth brag but I honestly don't think I'm all that nice at the game and anybody can do it with time/effort/practice.
I get golds but it's still not enough
Win rate with him like in the 30s
scotcheggz
Member
Yeah totally, I'm not too fussed on climbing. This season is about getting back into the FPS groove I guess. I haven't played any FPS since gosh, maybe the killzone beta on ps3?! PC would've been fuck I don't even know, an old quake or maybe UT?
Tbh the only good thing about climbing is the chance to get more structured teams with better comms and teamwork but from what I read here, it's all just a myth lol. I obviously want to improve for my own sake anyway though, playing is fun win or lose but I want to play well.
Ghost is Bad
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Yea, it's a nice mix now. And if you end up against a 6-stack in QP, it's just as grueling as anything in Comp.
Try playing with a group in QP. Find some Gaffers here to join up with. It's good times.
Nuno Pinto
Member
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Gold medals don't mean anything, they just mean you're the least shitty player on your team at dealing damage. Be good enough to win 90% of the 1v1s you come across, deal enough damage to clean out entire fights, and also keep your death count really low.
Also know when to pick Soldier to get a carry going and when to pick a tank or some shit because your team wiping has nothing to do with damage output.
Roxkis_ii
Member
I started playing roughly at the start of this season and guys.. I think I need help. Apart from just practice and playing, is there anything you guys suggest to watch or do that can help out for improving? I spent like an hour yesterday watching a youtube video about positioning with Ana for example. I haven't played FPS in ages but this is fun (when I don't want to kill mouthy children lol). I'm way down in Bronze which tbh is probably where I belong but I wouldn't mind getting better!
I need help...
I also started playing at the start of this season. One thing i've learned is not to underestimate the value of quickplay. QP matchmaking also tries to match you with people of in your skill range. So the better you become, the harder the people you will face.
I play so much QP, that i face off against players that are higher skill than those I face in my current rank, so now when I go in competitive, I have that experience of higher skill play.
Another tip, is to pay attention to how others play. I'm not sure if this will apply much for supports, but i've learned to much from fighting other Reinhardts. The mind games crazy. I also play a lot of torb, so always pay attention for new ideas on torrent placements.
ANother tip, if you're not having fun, take a break. I find i play of lot better if i'm not trying to force things.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
:^)
You're definitely not wrong about that. It's no different than League, DOTA, CS, etc.
I will average a much higher W/L ratio when paired up versus solo. It comes down to odds then. As long as you are not on the issue, the chance of your team getting a bad player then is one less than the other. If you come in there with 2 or 3 or 4 players, then it's drastically lower, since you know the skill level of everyone. The odds will be way lower then.
It's why Ranked should either be full team or solo.
But at the same time, the question is this too, if someone can only get high ranked because of a friend. It doesn't mean they are good either. It just means they can be carried. While if you just focus on improving with solo play, you'll be the one hopefully adjusting your gameplay to be the carrier and not the carried. You'll typically improve a lot more this way, since it will show your weaknesses and areas to improve upon. Once you're solid, then it's better to get into a team to compliment each other.
About elo hell and solo queue, there is a skill in figuring out what you have to be doing to make your team of randos come together. Yes, sometimes you are going to lose to bad luck, but that can't be every time. If you can win 1v1s consistently, you're already ahead most of the time. If you have a large hero pool and can fill in roles needed, you're going to be ahead. If you can recognize where your team is failing and cover that up, you're ahead again.
From there it's just hitting like a 60% or so winrate. It's pretty easily doable but requires a good set of mechanics and understanding of the game. The amount you have to do to excel in an environment like that is why higher elo players tend to really like solo queue and weigh it more heavily than other types of matchmaking.
From there it's just hitting like a 60% or so winrate. It's pretty easily doable but requires a good set of mechanics and understanding of the game. The amount you have to do to excel in an environment like that is why higher elo players tend to really like solo queue and weigh it more heavily than other types of matchmaking.
Shooting a Rein shield the entire game, then saying "but I have gold damage!" isn't helping your team. You should be focusing healers, especially Ana.
Roxkis_ii
Member
I can definitely agree here, I do find myself in games that are snowballing in the enemy's favor, wondering what's going wrong. Being able to make that determination is an invaluable skill I may not be sharpening by not playing solo.
I don't think i'm being carried by my friends as we all pretty much started playing overwatch around the same time, but i do feel like it's skills and experiences I maybe missing out on from not playing solo queue. It's just don't know if my body could handle the salt that comes with learning those lessons lol.
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