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Overwatch |OT8| Our love will last Pharah-ver
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True, altho trying to do a dive with randoms in QP/Arcade is painful.
Yea but that means having a Mei in the team..so
and also requires just a tiny bit of coordination.
Yea but that means having a Mei in the team..so
and personally I think shes a great pick for that map... ive had lots of success with Mei on attack on Eichenwalde. Im a Mei main though so Im completely biased of course.
and also requires just a tiny bit of coordination.
To get the majority of your team over, yes, its going to suck if you are Solo Qing but the strategy works all the same even if its just for Mei. I turn into flank Mei in those situations, especially if the enemy team has a Symmetra. I make it my goal to either take her out and/or the Mercy. Taking out the Symmetra earlier helps with stopping her from quickly build up her ult. Also, Symms arent usually "smart" enough in my experience to place turrets above the bridge, even though they should, so sneaking from behind usually isnt an issue for me.
Oh, sweet. I am lucky because Zenyatta is together with Tracer my favorite character so I don't mind playing him, but I would really love to get the trophy ASAP.
Since I'm on the hunt for all the trophies I haven't played him much tho. With Zarya I'm afraid I can't get the 4 victims orbed up in time before they die. They are all at the same place, so I don't know who is going down first!
It seems easier with a good Mei ult?
I will build that ice wall and the red team will pay for it!
You really want to watch the world burn, don't you?
Incendiary
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I think Volskaya is the fairest 2CP map - multiple entry points to both point A and B (while Hanamura and Anubis have one choke point at point A) and the distance from spawn to point is reasonable for defense (too easy to pour out onto the point for Hanamura and Anubis).
That said I still like 2CP the least of any mode, but I groan the least at Volskaya.
FiveSix4Three
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You wanna see burning?
Reapers wraith form having 3 second cool down.
Everything would be on fire.
Nuno Pinto
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Point A in Hanamura is easily the worst of the 2cp maps. Point B I give it to Anubis.
Volskaya is probably the best one, point A seems fair at least.
Don't think that will ever happen.
There's no difference between winning or losing so people for the most part don't really care. Unless I'm in a big group I don't expect QP games to be anything better than hanzo/widow on both teams and saying hello and emoting in front of enemies.
Volskaya is probably the best one, point A seems fair at least.
Don't think that will ever happen.
There's no difference between winning or losing so people for the most part don't really care. Unless I'm in a big group I don't expect QP games to be anything better than hanzo/widow on both teams and saying hello and emoting in front of enemies.
Karsticles
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When a team setups up Symmetra Turrets, Bastion, Torb Turret, and has Reinhardt, I have no idea how to break through that bridge.
Get Rein plus Lucio, have Lucio hit E. I know that sounds really reductive, but if they set up really far forward (aka at the choke) you can just run past them to the point. Grab a Pharah for good measure.
The biggest mistake people make on offense is trying to kill people to move forward. You can just move to the point and they have to fight you on it lol
I think the best way to deal with that would be to have a Pharah and Dva that would go over and back cap forcing the team to split from the choke and then Lucio will just speed boost your Reinhardt, Soldier and Ana in.
Pharah basically counters everything in those "full hold checkpoint A" comps.
Antiwhippy
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TBF usually the pharah are just sitting on the point alone and aren't attacking them from the back.
People can't push in because the enemy team is concentrating firepower at the front and they're missing a lot of firepower themselves because someone wants to flank but don't know the point of flanking. Not saying you do it but it's frustrating how many flankers think that sitting on the point alone is somehow helpful.
Flankers should just start diving and attacking the main attack group which is a more effective way of doing things. That way your team can set up a crossfire better.
I'm not even at the point yet. I'm attack the enemy team from behind and blowing them up. I kill a few dudes and the randoms are still sitting there.
Ex: I got PotG after I killed 4 guys and yet we still couldn't cap it because I stood at point capturing and the team returns and kills me and my team is still being dumbasses.
Antiwhippy
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Ok that is pretty bad lol. Yeah people are just too afraid to die sometimes not realising that wasting time and allowing the enemy team build ults is an even worse idea than going in for a fight.
But yeah, I have nightmares about people thinking solo capping the point while the team is trying to break through a choke is somehow a good move.
I wonder if those people even have kill feed on to notice the enemy team is dying. I forgot that thing is off by default until I started the PC version and I didn't see the kill feed.
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Paltheos
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Volskaya's (A) helped allot not just by the alternate entry route but by that the main entrance is divided by a truck lain diagonally across the entryway. Combined with the two hallways on each side, it effectively creates two entry paths for the grounded offense but on the flip side it's designed well enough that it's not impossible to defend - One side leads only back out into the open so offense is limited in that respect, but the other end leads upstairs to a closed corridor that circles all the way around to the point. This is where defense usually focuses on but they have to be flexible enough to move and eye the other end as well. It's really a well-designed choke imo.
yea, it was off on PS4 as well. had to turn it on. i remember we all bitched about it too in previous OTs and early OW YT guides would tell people to turn it on right away.
Karsticles
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Nuno Pinto
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Yeah exactly. Yesterday seagull was talking about that on his stream, and how pro teams choose to defend way far back in one the two top sections rather than just stay on the choke.
Such a stupid decision to have it off by default lol
Karsticles
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I think people don't take the cue because of distrust. When I play with randoms, I play as though I have no one to help me, and it makes the game a lot more enjoyable. Heals? I pretend we don't have a healer. DPS? That's up to me. Taking the point? I'm the one to do it.
If I count on my teammates to do their jobs, it rarely happens. So when a teammate makes an attempt to set something up, I'm hesitant to go along with it because I feel as though the rest of my team won't follow through. It's better to watch the one flanker die and continue my plan than it is to join in and have both of us die while the rest of the team foot shuffles around the choke.
If I count on my teammates to do their jobs, it rarely happens. So when a teammate makes an attempt to set something up, I'm hesitant to go along with it because I feel as though the rest of my team won't follow through. It's better to watch the one flanker die and continue my plan than it is to join in and have both of us die while the rest of the team foot shuffles around the choke.
Antiwhippy
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That's like the best way to lose at the game, sure.
I dunno, maybe because i main supports and usually go tank otherwise, but you really can't do that.
I dunno, maybe because i main supports and usually go tank otherwise, but you really can't do that.
Nuno Pinto
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I got outplayed so hard by a Pharah a few weeks ago in Eichenwalde. I was playing soldier and I knew that the enemy team had one Pharah, so I was looking for her to come from my right since I wasn't seeing her in the middle. 30s in and no Pharah to be seen anywhere, then she appears right above me from behind and kill me immediately with two rockets.
When I came back from the spawn my team was already wiped since we had no direct counter to her besides me. "Our soldier sucks" the team said... feels bad man ;_;
All this to say that in Eichenwalde you can also easily flank going right as Pharah instead of the usual left, flying above the houses and using your blast to get all the way behind them without being seen. If only I knew this at the time...
Nuno Pinto
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The problem is that if there is a Soldier/McCree you are most likely dead because he can see you from a mile away if he's expecting you, and you really don't have any cover besides the huge tower in the middle. And since that's also the place where all the enemy team is, it's not really a good position to be in because you will get focused pretty hard.
Im going in on the ground through the passageways
They can't find you if you're not where they're looking
The thing I get annoyed at as a McCree/Soldier player is that anytime enemy Pharah kills someone the team blames McCree/Soldier. Honestly even as McCree/Soldier it's difficult to kill Pharah while she is on the move cause you have to aim and move as well, you might get a few hits but not enough to kill her quite a lot of times. So sometimes you'll lose to her. The only time McCree/Soldier can consistently hard counter Pharah with an advantage is when she is doing her rocket barrage and cut it short and a McCree/Solider that doesn't do that is doing a bad job...other times it's understandable unless it happens too often.
Yup, also disorients the enemy team and they will make mistakes.
This mistake is why Dive comp works as well as it does.
Incendiary
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The problem with this philosophy is that Overwatch is a team game. You need coordination to be able to amount to any sort of offense or defense. If somebody calls a shot, I'm going to follow what they say because it's more important to have a strategy than none at all.
The lone wolf strategy is also what leads to ult mismanagement. Zarya getting five people in a Graviton Surge is only great if her team is in position to take advantage of it. I've Earthshattered four people but because I didn't call it and my team is dicking around fighting a lone Tracer instead, I get like one kill and it's a complete waste.
Sometimes it makes sense to lone wolf it - if the enemy has overextended and nobody's on the point, sneaking around and trying to cap is fine because it draws them back from where they are and gives your team some breathing room. But if you're constantly going for the quintuple kill with Deadeye and getting stuffed instead of using it to zone or take out one or two troublesome enemies you're not helping your team.
2CP is pretty annoying in general. I agree that Volskaya A is fine, but B is such a shitshow to attack, and not in a good way. You either get wrecked forever or you steamroll the defending team and instantly win. Hanamura's B isn't as bad, maybe because it's much more open.
This was an interesting post on r/competitiveoverwatch discussing meta Zarya strategies.
This was a polarizing topic, but I think the ultimate consensus is find a sweet spot in the middle where you can maintain higher average energies, but lean towards saving teammates.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiv..._your_high_energy_zarya_play_leads_to_losses/
This was a polarizing topic, but I think the ultimate consensus is find a sweet spot in the middle where you can maintain higher average energies, but lean towards saving teammates.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiv..._your_high_energy_zarya_play_leads_to_losses/
Karsticles
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As a Roadhog main, Reinhardt is irritating, but Zarya is downright infuriating if she saves her bubble for my hooks. She's the only character that can consistently force me to change off of Roadhog because I feel useless. So I'm in the "saving lives" camp in terms of how she can be effectively used.
Yet my experience cannot be denied. :-/
It's not that I don't want to play with the team, it's that I can't trust the team to be competent.
I've had several roadhog mains on the other team tell me good job or my team saying thanks for saving them by making sure I have bubbles for the hooks. Plus with the CD nerf to the hook it matches the bubble CD. 6v6 instead of a 6v5 is better than having a higher charge.
It's a good point. Working with your team matters, and helping your team function is more important than getting medals.
Otherwise you end up with that asshole tank who goes "oh, why am I a tank and have gold damage~ why do you all suck~" because he's ignoring his team constantly dying to people that he's supposed to be protecting them from, and getting medals from uselessly spamming into the tank because the enemy team considers him a low-value target.
SilentRacoon
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What's wrong with people not taking advantage of five enemy members focusing on me (Winston) for like 30 seconds, sometimes it feels like they just hold behind waiting for me to die just so they can come forward a few seconds later and meet the same fate, I just don't understand.
And yes Hanamura B is factually the worst of the bunch, it's so easy to defend without proper coordination from the other side, I mean at least eichenwalde offers terrain that can be used as cover, hanamura on the other hand, you are fully exposed at all times, you can get flanked from every direction.
And yes Hanamura B is factually the worst of the bunch, it's so easy to defend without proper coordination from the other side, I mean at least eichenwalde offers terrain that can be used as cover, hanamura on the other hand, you are fully exposed at all times, you can get flanked from every direction.
Nuno Pinto
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I kinda understand because if it's hard for the people playing S76/McCree, imagine how hard it is for the other teammates. On console it's easy to kill a Pharah 1vs1 if she's just flying around without cover due to auto-aim (hitscan > projectiles), but if she's peeking and firing rockets you probably won't be able to finish her off.
It will always depend on how good the Pharah is, but unless she gets the jump on you, a S76/McCree should be winning 1vs1 against her anyway. If I get killed by a Pharah playing S76 without at least trading I will feel bad for my teammates because they're likely screwed and it's my fault.
What? He got buffed or something I miss?
I also don't like Hanamura B, but some of the best team fights I had in this game happened there due to how big and open that point is. If you can ult from the top as S76/McCree while the teams are fighting on the point it's just amazing, so many targets
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