Vault Dweller 111
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That sounds like too much....
And in the platinum/gold tiers, god damn, that will be awful.
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That sounds like too much....
And in the platinum/gold tiers, god damn, that will be awful.
Vault Dweller 111
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Um, this is a fucking joke.
Think of the lesser folks!that's okay, we won't be there
True, it could be really bad if a team works around Bastion. That would immediately slow down the pace of the game in a way that's not fun, which a good Bastion + team already does these days. Either that, or it would necessitate a Bastion of your own to break the enemy Rein shield more easily.
I imagine the best way to deal with an enemy Bastion that's protected by a Rein + healer would be to break the Rein shield and then try to hook him out of his safe spot.
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SilentRacoon
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What the hell were they thinking, this is beyond ridiculous, hope this stays in PTR, if the update comes in this condition I'm totally uninstalling. Also, can Troj and Sym armor stack in his tank form?
No crit and more range falloff makes him pretty easy for non-Winston tanks to kill.
People don't realize the only reason Bastion could really kill Hog was because of Headshots from out of range while hes eating.
Antiwhippy
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This is outdated i believe. They've since added a cap to damage reduction.
Also i don't mind the damage reduction in sentry mode. Problem with that mode is that he's a literal sitting duck in that mode and with the increased spread and lack of headshots in that mode it's honestly not that amazing.
Vault Dweller 111
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Managing to get behind a Bastion and blow my ult as Tracer, and he still won't die? Awful
or go in as D.va with DM and then get shredded to death lol
Is the 70% cap much different? Think he still survives the same stuff pretty much right?
i usually try to time it so he reloads and i let go and go behind to weak point. works 50/50 or if I have my buddy Vault or someone else go in for the killing blow. Ironclad means death.
The weird thing is that I remember shredding bastions in the early days of Overwatch with D.Va when it just came out. I don't know why, I think new players just panicked when I got in their face. Later on, I'd be surprised that bastion didn't die from my flying directly into his face, wondering why it wasn't working anymore.
Being hacked knocks him out of turret form right? So maybe Sombra will see an uptick in usable? Empty takes out rein's shield too so seems like a perfect way t break through these defence
Kor of Memory
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I'm going to main the fuck out of Bastion after the patch.
Also, has Winston been buffed or nerfed since launch?
Also, has Winston been buffed or nerfed since launch?
he currently has 15% reduction to his critical hitbox in PTR. that's about it.
Antiwhippy
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I think it pretty much gives him the same survivability as nano rein? Which is going to be insane for tank mode. It remains to be seen if bastion is actually still worth it without nano tank.
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Antiwhippy
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Nope.
Dive is back so he's back. You often see people run 3dps with Winston as the only tank nowadays because what the fuck is a rein going to do in that situation other than feed.
He doesn't. That's not his job to be a mainline tank. I do think he needs a couple of seconds off his shield CD but that's about it.
the shield needs to get a minor cd reduction or have the cd roling as soon as you place it
its bullshit that anas grenade cooldown is so short, strong and rolls the second you use it but winstons little piddly shield barrier that he has to save a lot to protect his own hide doesn't even start rolling the cooldown until it finishes
its bullshit that anas grenade cooldown is so short, strong and rolls the second you use it but winstons little piddly shield barrier that he has to save a lot to protect his own hide doesn't even start rolling the cooldown until it finishes
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I just feel that his kit is very weak compared to other tanks. I don't think he's so far off that a few small adjustments wouldn't fix it. I just think that when it comes to all 5 tanks in Overwatch, Winston seems to have the most counters and posses the least amount of threat to the enemy team.
Most character back up when they see an enemy Rein, Zarya, DVa or Roadhog. They know to keep their distance. They seem to do the opposite for a Winston. Chasing him into his own bubble regularly, and often times coming out ahead.
mathematically that shouldnt happen unless you have a charge already or torb armor+shield
It happens so long as Symmetra has a half second jump on him, which is often the case as that's how you are supposed to play her.
By my math, it takes Winston 3.07 to 3.33 seconds and symmetra 3
Even with the jump, Winston's cannon gores through her barriers and he can dive away up into the air while her charge goes down, hitting her iwth jump pack damage as well and strafe around his barrier that she can't get through. The only reason she should kill him is if he's fighting someone else.
which also going by M1 standards is the worst mindset for Winston since the best Winston players are all about using that leap in the correct manner constantly and getting melee hits in on any single target. But even without that if you approach each other fresh, Winston will kill Symmetra before Symmetra kills Winston just because of his larger health pool and with neither using abilities.
A friendly reminder for those new players that will be starting in Season 4:
Look after your support heroes, and they'll do the same for you.
Nah Mercy players will fly away to another teammate when you try to peel and then complain about no protection. And will ditch you during an ult instead of pushing with you. I'll protect the soft boys and grandma though.
A friendly reminder for those new players that will be starting in Season 4:
Look after your support heroes, and they'll do the same for you.
I mean, they'll probably look out for you anyway. But without help they'll die first and then it's just bad times for everyone
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A friendly reminder for those new players that will be starting in Season 4:
Look after your support heroes, and they'll do the same for you.
Based just on my speed boosts alone, I'm more often than not looking out for them and don't need anyone to look after me...although those well timed Zarya bubbles are money
Speed boost has to be the best ability in the game
A friendly reminder for those new players that will be starting in Season 4:
Look after your support heroes, and they'll do the same for you.
we did an all support team in QP and won, it was hilarious.
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I had some great games with him in QP but this is so fucking true. It looks like no one cares about me when i play Torb. :/
No one wants to heal me and i need to ask for healing all the time. Barely anyone is protecting me and my turret. And i usually give 30-35+ armor packs but no one is voting for me. Lol
If you're bringing in other abilities in there like that, then I can also create a situation where Sym makes turrets that he'd have to turn around and away from her to take out, which gives her the damage she needs to outDPS him. Also, her regenerator might be up, so she might have 75+ HP.
And if you want to bring in THOSE circumstances, then you might as well just consider that in a team fight where he will likely be damaged because he's a big, loud, jetpacking gorilla that everyone will be shooting at while Symmetra is usually played so that she jumps out of nowhere like a ninja.
I'm not gonna get into the debate that Winston needs to be buffed (though I personally thing he does. Just slightly.) because I understand he can be effective with coordination. But from personal experience, whenever I see a winston being close but not facing me as Symmetra, I usually get the kill.
Only worry about your own aim and positioning. It's chill.
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