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Overwatch |OT8| Our love will last Pharah-ver
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That's basically the way I play her. If your team is running solo healer, I try to focus a bit more on key health packs, if you have two healers then hacking health packs becomes less of a priority. I think Sombra is hard to gauge if you're doing well or not because she's extremely reliant on her team with coordination and your team following through with the disruption you create. If you're keeping the Rein/tanks hacked and occasionally killing their Zen or something, that's the most you can do solo.
I don't see how that would work for Roadhog. So many bad things could happen to him in between the hook time. Ana can sleep, McCree can flash, Reaper can wraith etc.
Maybe if abilities were unusable whilst hooked it could work to make certain heroes like Reaper and Mei less favourable to hook.
Yeah, never going to happen. They just thought about it but no way would they implement it. Would kill him off.
Vault Dweller 111
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Thanks! Now I just need to get off mobile.
Does this work?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Nah, that's bad. People should die to hook. We just need to make missing hook riskier.
I don't really know why people are bitching about dying to hook, and I've been calling for roadhog nerfs for awhile now.
I don't really know why people are bitching about dying to hook, and I've been calling for roadhog nerfs for awhile now.
Shake Appeal
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Yes, yes, excellent, everyone learn Sombra. Then you will appreciate me. Yesssss.
How to play Sombra 101:
-Keep as many key healthpacks hacked as you can
-Somehow manage to keep hacking key targets while doing this with an 8s CD
-Use E to move around the map
-Realize if E is out it's not on CD. If you don't use it that's 15s+6s CD. If you throw it on a medkit, then start winning a fight congrats, you now have your E on a 21s CD.
-Oh wait Invis CD is mega important too. The Invis is nice to move between stuff, but the move speed is the best part of it tbh
-You also need to actually kill things, or get things low enough to trigger your passive
-If you have Genji or something like that on your team, you can use her passive wallhack to tell them where to kill people.
-Passive wallhack also lets you know where Soldier is going, or lets you know where damaged things went so you can kill them. If you have E and shift off CD that's basically a free kill. But you need those things to get that kill
-Rein is primary hack target, followed by Zarya, followed by Ana.
-EMP has to hit Rein + both supports to win a fight. Don't do grav > EMP unless you need it to win the fight, grav is usually enough.
-EMP > pick important target > then blow offensive ults is actually pretty good
Idk, that's like the basics. Sombra is difficult, and if you mess up any of that you are borderline useless. The biggest thing is you need to do all of that in a way that your team can follow up on. If you just run around and tickle people by yourself they'll just get healed. If you actually kill things or force people into bad spots you can do things, but again making somebody dip for 2-3 seconds to just get healed by Ana is pointless as hell. Most Sombras don't keep enough CDs around and pursue hard enough to make impactful plays, cause like that is actually hard.
-Keep as many key healthpacks hacked as you can
-Somehow manage to keep hacking key targets while doing this with an 8s CD
-Use E to move around the map
-Realize if E is out it's not on CD. If you don't use it that's 15s+6s CD. If you throw it on a medkit, then start winning a fight congrats, you now have your E on a 21s CD.
-Oh wait Invis CD is mega important too. The Invis is nice to move between stuff, but the move speed is the best part of it tbh
-You also need to actually kill things, or get things low enough to trigger your passive
-If you have Genji or something like that on your team, you can use her passive wallhack to tell them where to kill people.
-Passive wallhack also lets you know where Soldier is going, or lets you know where damaged things went so you can kill them. If you have E and shift off CD that's basically a free kill. But you need those things to get that kill
-Rein is primary hack target, followed by Zarya, followed by Ana.
-EMP has to hit Rein + both supports to win a fight. Don't do grav > EMP unless you need it to win the fight, grav is usually enough.
-EMP > pick important target > then blow offensive ults is actually pretty good
Idk, that's like the basics. Sombra is difficult, and if you mess up any of that you are borderline useless. The biggest thing is you need to do all of that in a way that your team can follow up on. If you just run around and tickle people by yourself they'll just get healed. If you actually kill things or force people into bad spots you can do things, but again making somebody dip for 2-3 seconds to just get healed by Ana is pointless as hell. Most Sombras don't keep enough CDs around and pursue hard enough to make impactful plays, cause like that is actually hard.
Wait really? Rein I totally agree on, but I'd argue heroes like Dva, Tracer, and even Roadhog hold more hack value than Zarya. Unless this is just based on pickrates etc.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I dunno if everyone actually hates him entirely conceptually. 2 of the most popular streamers out there are roadhog mains after all.
Is it worth holding to counter lucio ult it you suspect he has it or just use it since you get it 30 seconds later and you can prevent him using it?
I think it depends - if you can EMP a sizeable chunk of the team including Lucio, and can reliably follow through with 3 picks or something, you basically create a situation where Lucio won't ult after the EMP wears off. I think on payload maps you can be more conservative though, especially in the final push.
Zarya's barriers are almost on the same tier as Rein shield as far as controlling space goes. Ana losing nade and sleep gives you free ult wipes. Hacking RH is like, nice before an engage but it's the same CD as hook anyways. Him losing breath in a more organized team is p whatever tbh. As good as Roadhog is in the end, he can be played around and if an all in happens and his team is down, he isn't a big fight swinger at that point. Sombra starts fights, and the things you can't really play around like that are shields and heals.
Idk enough yet. I just picked her up recently, and that type of decision making I don't have entirely down yet. I think the answer is generally no though, unless you have a very specific instance where you're trying to bait it with a grav or something. If sound barrier i sup though, you need to hit Lucio with the EMP at the start of the fight.
DevilDog
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And those 2 streamers aren't pros. So their opinion doesn't really matter, and if it did, one of them thinks he's bullshit.
And since this is a competitive game, balance should be according to the top level.
And if every pro hates him, Blizzard should do something about it.
Eh, there are times when a relationship shouldn't be one-sided, and more often than not I have to save a Mercy players bacon.
Also, Symmetra is a Support Hero, too, you know.
From my experience, it's a 50/50 gamble. Which is why I'm leaving this cute reminder for the Offense/Defense/Tank players that you don't want your supports adorable blood on your hands.
Yeah, they can nerf Lucio's healing to the ground, but so long as his maneuverability/speed boost is left untouched, he practically is the king of swing.
I really want to try this.
Yeah, we had some ridiculous matches today.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Harbleau is pro though, just teamless now.
I dunno, I'm waiting to see what the 8s cd does personally.
I dunno, I'm waiting to see what the 8s cd does personally.
Yeah I find hacking RH as just threat prevention for free ult change
unless you get BS right clicked
DevilDog
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8 cd is not going to eliminate the random hooks whenever roadhog decides to peek a corner.
about as much as toblerone isEh, there are times when a relationship shouldn't be one-sided, and more often than not I have to save a Mercy players bacon.
Also, Symmetra is a Support Hero, too, you know.
Yeah I always ignore RH unless he's like the only tank in a QP match or something, and even then he's only like second priority as I go after healers before him.
I love hacking Rein from above or somewhere else they can't see me. They always freak out and don't have any idea what to do once the hack happens. So fun
finalflame
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If Bastion's PTR changes go through to live unchanged, then this will definitely be Blizzard giving him sweet vengeance for being irrelevant for so long. Sweet jesus he's fucking OP now.
DevilDog
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He is invincible during his turret form with nano boost. I doubt they will leave it unchanged.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Eh.
Still don't see it.
Still don't see it.
Yeah I always ignore RH unless he's like the only tank in a QP match or something, and even then he's only like second priority as I go after healers before him.
I love hacking Rein from above or somewhere else they can't see me. They always freak out and don't have any idea what to do once the hack happens. So fun
On the other hand, Sombra without her team backing her up can't do anything to Reinhardt.
I remember one game where I played Reinhardt. It was one of those games where you are the only one on the payload, while your team has gone ahead to 5v6 deathmatch the rest of the enemy team and were good enough to actually pull it off. So I just sat my ass on the payload, put up my shield (protecting no one) and just chilled my way from spawn to the final checkpoint of El Dorado. Literally no one fired a shot on me all the way from the first check point to the second.
The only enemy that even approached me was Sombra that kept hacking me. She turned invisible, I'd hear the *VWAARP* from somewhere behind, lose my shield, and then she'd disappear to wherever she left her transponder. There was never anyone on her team to follow up. Eventually I just started waving to her whenever she came be. Every 30 seconds or so, she'd just show up, hack me, then warp out. She wouldn't even fire on me herself.
I don't know if that Sombra was just amused or pissed off. She never waved back to me, but it was kinda funny how she and I were the only ones actually concerned with the objective, yet we were the only ones that never took any damage (atleast from what I saw of her).
I don't even use mic lol
Man, I seriously hope Blizzard will release another support hero that doesn't focus on healing as it's mechanic, as I still consider Symmetra more of a Support Hero than a Defense-oriented one.
Also, for those who grew up with playing Goldeneye 64.
Amazing. I love that they use Torbjorn as the Oddjob stand-in.
DevilDog
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Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I'm actually super interested to see where bastion ends up, but for now all I see is a S76 with no burst, can't heal and shoot at the same time, no mobility with a bigger hitbox, and is better at busting up shields.
And then there are all these super divey flanking comps which bastion isn't the best at dealing with. Like maybe ironclad will make the TTK too long so that it can negate some of it but I dunno, and that means that he has to be a sitting duck while genji/trracer/winston/pharah dives in on him.
And then there are all these super divey flanking comps which bastion isn't the best at dealing with. Like maybe ironclad will make the TTK too long so that it can negate some of it but I dunno, and that means that he has to be a sitting duck while genji/trracer/winston/pharah dives in on him.
ivanthebearable
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You're not alone. My favorite thing about Symmetra is she's the definition of "Support", she is completely built to help her teammates in some way, whether actively or passively, and none of it has anything to do with healing. It's so much more fun.
I would love if they added a purely buff/debuff support hero.
Widowmaker is the most consistent answer to Pharah, since she doesn't have the damage drop-off of both Soldier and McCree.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You need to go on a training arc that goes on for way too long then.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Jesus, poor Tracer(s).
MarioHead3
Banned
Time to get on the boat.
Okay, I'm bored, so lets play a game:
The Overwatch characters find what is basically the Overwatch game, but with names/designs changed. So it's not like they're seeing themselves when they play, but they the mechanics and basic character personalities are the same as they are now. Idk, imagine it's Battleborn if it was designed by Blizzard or something.
Assuming that they don't play themselves, what character would they main?
Mercy - I imagine she plays Reaper. After spending all her energy healing people, I imagine she relaxes by going on murderous psychopathic rampages as a catharsis factor.
Reaper - Plays Mei, the seemingly nice girl that everyone knows is evil incarnate.
Junkrat - Tracer, because he wants to go fast.
This dude should probably participate in a science experiment to see if he's psychic.
The Overwatch characters find what is basically the Overwatch game, but with names/designs changed. So it's not like they're seeing themselves when they play, but they the mechanics and basic character personalities are the same as they are now. Idk, imagine it's Battleborn if it was designed by Blizzard or something.
Assuming that they don't play themselves, what character would they main?
Mercy - I imagine she plays Reaper. After spending all her energy healing people, I imagine she relaxes by going on murderous psychopathic rampages as a catharsis factor.
Reaper - Plays Mei, the seemingly nice girl that everyone knows is evil incarnate.
Junkrat - Tracer, because he wants to go fast.
This dude should probably participate in a science experiment to see if he's psychic.
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