Working as intended. Killing the tank meta.
You guys need to 6stack placement next season
i think we should be able to climb pretty well as a 3-stack at least.
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Working as intended. Killing the tank meta.
i think we should be able to climb pretty well as a 3-stack at least.
I was thinking about making a Master's push too, but it just seems difficult.
I'm always playing some flavor of the month survival game on PC with buddies since it's always a good time, what happens when a random GOTY indie game releases, or what happens if there is a life change to deal with (we're shopping for a new house right now)?
Sounds hyperbolic, but losing 300-400 SR breaks the whole season (citation needed for the actual numbers).
I'm not even playing this season yet because the meta sounds disastrous 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah I understand they want to deter smurfs from dominating the top 500 but this is the worst way to go about it. People that have smurfs are already hardcore into this game and will still have the time to play the required games every week anyway.
All this means is that for us normal people who have real world commitments, you can kiss your rank goodbye.
That is literally the problem though. They are actively discouraging players from playing competitive because they know they can't keep up with this aggressive decay system.
It's like they don't even understand that a large portion of their player base are in school/college/university and especially around this time won't be able to commit as much to playing the game.
FiveSix4Three
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I haven't touched no limits since this patch hit, but I can only imagine the amount of 6v6 bastion matches.
i haven't touched no limits ever when it first was available in Arcade. even stacked heroes happens in mystery heroes and i get triggered, lol
Coming back to play after a long absence and it's weird to see so many Bastion picks. Also, since when did Lucio become a bad pick? Being called out for it is weird.
Can someone please summarise what the main buffs/nerfs have been since season 2. Feels like I'm way off the curve.
Can someone please summarise what the main buffs/nerfs have been since season 2. Feels like I'm way off the curve.
Lucio is still good. Don't listen to them.
The supports need to be Mercy/Ana to fully support the Bastion meta.
Lucio now garbage tier.
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Paltheos
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Yeah guys. Hog's a giant target when he does that and unable to do anything else unless interrupted until the animation ends. It's not really comparable to Bastion for a number of reasons. Bastion can be mobile while self-healing and more importantly Ironclad is effectively a healing buff to all healing he receives in turret mode as only damage is reduced.
yeah it's a shitty system. the meta is discouraging too for that matter.
hopefully they'll see the relevant numbers go down and understand the changes that need to be made. i'm not even sure what problem they were trying to solve with the decay change though.
I agree mostly with what Jeff said. I feel like Bastion isn't a crisis and is blatantly leveling everything, but he's a little unfair and just plain too good in certain situations because of the health issues. I also think the community reaction is fucking crazy, and the community perception of metagaming is extremely off. I follow pro meta and comp meta pretty closely and have openly talked about the differences, but like when I zoom over to reddit shit is /wild/.
Only thing I disagree with is the Mercy stat he quoted. Mercy has an extremely high pick rate, but I think that has less to do with meta relevance and more to do with people just liking Mercy and her being basic to play. At the same time, the Mercy buff is actually pretty large, so I guess somebody there agrees that she needs some love. I think comp ladder pick rates are nice to get an idea of where perceptions and bias are, but you need to compare them to what pros are doing and what is easily observable.
This whole Bastion thing has taught me that people actually don't know what metagaming is when they refer to this game. They just think it's characters/strats that are picked often. That's only like half of what a metagame is :T
Only thing I disagree with is the Mercy stat he quoted. Mercy has an extremely high pick rate, but I think that has less to do with meta relevance and more to do with people just liking Mercy and her being basic to play. At the same time, the Mercy buff is actually pretty large, so I guess somebody there agrees that she needs some love. I think comp ladder pick rates are nice to get an idea of where perceptions and bias are, but you need to compare them to what pros are doing and what is easily observable.
This whole Bastion thing has taught me that people actually don't know what metagaming is when they refer to this game. They just think it's characters/strats that are picked often. That's only like half of what a metagame is :T
Paltheos
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As always, Jeff is very reasonable.
This wasn't really a necessary bit, but I like that he added it in there: Not every hero has or maybe should have an equal pick rate. Certain heroes will be preferable in certain situations only, and that's ok. For sure it raises the barrier to entry for people looking to play competitively, but again I think that's ok.
Shake Appeal
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It probably has something to do with how consoles get patched. With consoles wanting to be on the same patch as PC, PTR ended up as preview for what is too come.
i think if she were buffed and bastion left as he was before she'd only be seeing a small uptick in play. it's much more about her synergy with the turret than the res invincibility.
SoldnerKei
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You can't get rid of the best gal in the game, Mercy will be there, be shit or not, but people will play her because it's Mercy ~<3
I haven't mess with competitive yet, instead I have been trying to play widow more and more, she is quite fun once I can actually land hits, and QP is more forgiving when I pick her than whenever I pick hanzo lol of course I am not picking them in comp, not yet or just not in solo queue huehue
I haven't mess with competitive yet, instead I have been trying to play widow more and more, she is quite fun once I can actually land hits, and QP is more forgiving when I pick her than whenever I pick hanzo lol of course I am not picking them in comp, not yet or just not in solo queue huehue
Her damage boost along with Bastion is tilt-inducing.
I made this exact argument when people were complaining about Widow buffs.
finalflame
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Very reasonable response from Jeff and confirms what we all already know: Bastion is too powerful since the buff.
ShadowSoldier89
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can confirm
jeff had that time he talked about not enough people being on the PTR to really assess balance changes that i rolled my eyes at.
I don't really think so. The after effects of Mercy surviving through rez are really noticeable. Even without Bastion Rez just got a lot better since you know you'll have her on support building another one immediately after. It's a pretty big buff and I like it a lot.
(I also think it's not always correct to run Mercy just cause Bastion but that's another story)
Mercy's invulnerability is a really good buff. Flankers just can't really commit to killing her now as she'll just do a one man res. As a Genji player, you can't really commit with dash because you might not get the kill and therefore have no reset.
And then the obvious buff of her being part of the team fight after a big res.
And then the obvious buff of her being part of the team fight after a big res.
The general community has had a full and total meltdown. The entire main subreddit is dominated with almost every high up post being about him.
He is too good, but the community reaction is unholy. Especially considering that he;s actually not that OP, he's just blatantly doing something out of line.
Her grenade is just one of the best abilities in the game and it seems like a pretty future-proof ability as well.
This game has too much damage so the ability to heal quicker is ridiculously good And then along with that, the ability to stop others healing that immense damage being pumped out has made her meta-defining.
She's not broken but the way she works means she'll always have a high pickrate.
This game has too much damage so the ability to heal quicker is ridiculously good And then along with that, the ability to stop others healing that immense damage being pumped out has made her meta-defining.
She's not broken but the way she works means she'll always have a high pickrate.
Nice reply from Jeff.
I think a big portion of the outcry is just that people kinda hate Bastion. It's a running theme I've always seen (and went through myself) when I looked at betas or new players jumping in, he's always a complete pain in the ass for people until they get better at the game. A lot of people on gaf are always tuned in more with high level through tournies and such but there are a wide range of skill levels and I am sure new Bastion is totally fucking the mid to bottom again since he still isn't exactly hard to play.
At a higher level with more coordination, while he certainly isn't unbeatable the matches are just stupid and...not fun.
It's still a good change for top 500 specifically I think since even if the people with smurfs etc. are playing enough, they were basically squatting on the top ranks (like 50+) on their main and only doing one game per week to basically force it to be maintained. 7 makes it so they need to be much more active which also makes them a lot more vulnerable to actually dropping, and having to finish in the top 500 for it to count is a really interesting change alongside that.
But I definitely agree on the rest and the decay hits way too low. There is no reason people in diamond or even masters should have to do that. There's so much stuff people might have to juggle around and even without looking at school/work there's just other games. I don't only play OW and when something like Zelda comes out I'm going to take a break from the game which would feel bad if it meant coming back and seeing me back at 3000 each time I do that.
I think a big portion of the outcry is just that people kinda hate Bastion. It's a running theme I've always seen (and went through myself) when I looked at betas or new players jumping in, he's always a complete pain in the ass for people until they get better at the game. A lot of people on gaf are always tuned in more with high level through tournies and such but there are a wide range of skill levels and I am sure new Bastion is totally fucking the mid to bottom again since he still isn't exactly hard to play.
At a higher level with more coordination, while he certainly isn't unbeatable the matches are just stupid and...not fun.
It's still a good change for top 500 specifically I think since even if the people with smurfs etc. are playing enough, they were basically squatting on the top ranks (like 50+) on their main and only doing one game per week to basically force it to be maintained. 7 makes it so they need to be much more active which also makes them a lot more vulnerable to actually dropping, and having to finish in the top 500 for it to count is a really interesting change alongside that.
But I definitely agree on the rest and the decay hits way too low. There is no reason people in diamond or even masters should have to do that. There's so much stuff people might have to juggle around and even without looking at school/work there's just other games. I don't only play OW and when something like Zelda comes out I'm going to take a break from the game which would feel bad if it meant coming back and seeing me back at 3000 each time I do that.
It's not uncommon for me to see Hog's panic healing before they die. Just feeding 300hp extra ult charge.
Spoilers: It was like this prepatch too.
Idk, I'm just kinda rolling at a lot of these gifs of people failing to kill the thing with ults cause like, a lot of that style of stuff was already happening before. It just wasn't so braindead to do.
The elitist in me is screaming that it's become apparent not a lot of people know how to play a teamfight on a macro level other than dumping as much damage as possible into the thing they wanna kill. Blizzard introduced something that just by default won't let you do that and everybody had a massive meltdown. The fact that Ana was already doing dumb shit to get people through nanoblade and junk is a telling sign people don't actually know what's up.
Never bothered me prepatch. But now nanoboosted Ironclad makes him near invincible.
I don't find new Bastion a huge pain to deal with overall but some things are just crazy to deal with.
this is the entire problem.
bastion's kind of a braindead pick to begin with, and pocketing him with rein/ana/mercy takes no thought or effort at all. and it's obviously not unbeatable, but the fact is that it takes more skill to beat than to play.
I think it being so braindead is making it extra salty.
Plus you could look at it as while nanotank was always kinda nuts, you had to run a bastion for it. With that not a downside it's just another perk for him since Ana is always dumb.
So does all this complaining about bastion confirm that the player base for this game either has poor game sense or they are horrible with team fights/ coordination.
I mean the only op thing about bastion I would say would be his healing and how he's able to survive certain situations because of it but I say that shit about soldiers dumb healing station
Edit: holy shit!
I mean the only op thing about bastion I would say would be his healing and how he's able to survive certain situations because of it but I say that shit about soldiers dumb healing station
Edit: holy shit!
NeoRaider
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Yeah. Cert is probably the culprit.
Shake Appeal
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I don't even think Bastion is crazy OP, but he's in a place where he's powerful enough that teams will build the comp around him (arguably this has long been happening with Ana), and the gameplay that those comps engender is just not as fun to play or watch.
Like, having to do a rapid calculation in my head of whether the shields, healing and buff/debuff we're currently splashing on our Bastion will outweigh what they're splashing on theirs while both hold down LMB is ... dull?
Like, having to do a rapid calculation in my head of whether the shields, healing and buff/debuff we're currently splashing on our Bastion will outweigh what they're splashing on theirs while both hold down LMB is ... dull?
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