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[Nuno Pinto]

i havent even finish my placement on my main acc. now with orisa not coming out soon means the bastion patch wont come up until much later. such a pain to play against other bastion in console. im too old with this shit

Yeah, doesn't make sense that they didn't patch the console versions yet. He's completely broken.

But even if I do my placements it should be fine, I'm probably going to be placed around 2500 so I can still play with people that haven't finish them.

 

[antitrop]

It's okay with me that Ana still heals more than Mercy if you factor the grenade into it, she takes more skill to play so she should, it just never sat right with me quite how wide the disparity was.

 

[Terareflection]

As a support main, I want to play DPS more, but I always find that I have problem with consistency. I have bursts of glory followed by times when I can't do anything but die.

Trying to mess with settings, because I think part of it is a sens/aim assist issue. But I really don't know.

Any suggestions?

 

[Fugu]

It's okay with me that Ana still heals more than Mercy if you factor the grenade into it, she takes more skill to play so she should, it just never sat right with me quite how wide the disparity was.

Balancing around the notion of "takes more skill to play" is crazy. Mercy is very limited use with Ana having better healing output than her.

Besides, the notion that Mercy requires less skill is flawed to begin with. It is demonstrably easier to play as Ana and contribute to your team than Mercy at almost every level of play. Yeah, you have to aim as Ana, but Mercy players have to be prodigious about positioning and basically have to never die to maximize their healing and ult effectiveness.

 

[LiK]

i usually play counters and if needing a tank i generally go monkey to swat weebos but bastion got no good counter except for another bastion atm. turtle bastion strats is even much more a pain to deal with

Bastion on console ain't too bad with some teamwork. He's a bit overrated from my experience. Even in Comp, people can take him down quickly. It's only a bother on QP cuz people aren't playing serious.

You guys are worried about nothing, tbh.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Well, I guess all that time I've put into Zenyatta recently is going to be handy.

The Ana nerf makes Mercy the strongest single target healer now. Amount healed over 5 seconds without abilities: Mercy (300) > Ana (240) > Zen (150) > Lucio (62.5). With abilities: Mercy (300) > Ana (290) > Lucio 180 > Zen (150)

I didn't include the effect of healing grenade because all the healers benefit from it but yeah. Prior to this nerf, Ana was the best healer 320 over 5 seconds with 100 from the grenade. Even not including the heal boost, she was pretty nuts. Ana will be a solid healer still but more in line with everyone else.

Winston bubble buff has been a long time coming, lol

Hmmm? Have I missed something?

Pretty sure Ana's gun isn't doing reduced HP? Is it?

 

[KiraFA37]

When you stall a 3 v 1 for long enough for your translocator to come off cd and you have ult ready.
My first potg with her was yesterday on Anubis B. Hacked the one below the bridge and had soldier, zarya and lucio fail to kill me. EMP them, killed them and then cleaned up on the point to cap it.

Nice. I have 51 hours on Zen in total so I should be fine. That or I'm going to explore Tracer/Pharah/Reinhardt/Dva..

 

[Skii]

The stark realisation that Pharmercy is going to dominate diamond and below because all the good McCrees are in Master or above.

gg blizzard

 

[antitrop]

Hmmm? Have I missed something?

Pretty sure Ana's gun isn't doing reduced HP? Is it?

Ya, it's still 75 a shot, so it should be 300 without abilities and 350 with (and more than 350 if you factor the grenade bonus).

 

[Nimby]

Ana heals 375 in 5 seconds. Her healing on her rifle wasn't touched, unless I'm missing something. With biogrenade she still heals about above 500 in the same time period, more or less depending how you use it.

 

[antitrop]

Ana heals 375 in 5 seconds. Her healing on her rifle wasn't touched, unless I'm missing something. With biogrenade she still heals about above 500 in the same time period, more or less depending how you use it.

Wouldn't it be 350 at 75 per shot with a fire rate of 1.25/s (4 shots in 5 seconds, for 300 healing), +50 for the grenade impact?

 

[Jellie]

The stark realisation that Pharmercy is going to dominate diamond and below because all the good McCrees are in Master or above.

gg blizzard

Zen and Soldier should be able to deal with it. I hope at least.

 

[darklin0]

Zen and Soldier should be able to deal with it. I hope at least.

I had a game where our hitscan complain that our team was just letting Pharah run us over and it was our fault he could not kill her.

I fear for the worst.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Hang on

She does 1.25 shots a sec

So every 4 sec she shoots 5 darts

That's 350 healing in 4 secs

 

[LiK]

Zen and Soldier should be able to deal with it. I hope at least.

that should almost always stop it. if you have both a Zen discord and a Soldier unable to kill Pharah then you deserve to get owned.

 

[antitrop]

Hang on

She does 1.25 shots a sec

So every 4 sec she shoots 5 darts

That's 350 healing in 4 secs

I knew I was bad at math. I was doing it as if the fire rate was 0.75 x.x

 

[Azoor]

I think Sombra will be THE flanker to pick if the other team had a Zenyatta, she could easily destroy him.

 

[Fugu]

I had a game where our hitscan complain that our team was just letting Pharah run us over and it was our fault he could not kill her.

I fear for the worst.

This is a thing, though. Pharah only needs to chain two directs to kill hitscans so you can't just be like "oh the hitscans will deal with it" and go on your merry way. Shutting down Pharah has to be a co-ordinated team effort; a single hitscan with no support will only kill her if he gets lucky.

 

[LiK]

As a Soldier player, a Pharah is annoying to deal with if she focuses on you when you try to kill her. It's easier for her to take you out than you to her unless you're midrange.

 

[Skii]

Zen and Soldier should be able to deal with it. I hope at least.

Is that enough DPS? I dont even know. Rarely see Zen so never played that type of match up before.

I think Sombra will be THE flanker to pick if the other team had a Zenyatta, she could easily destroy him.

Nah Genji and Tracer still the best at taking out Zen.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

I knew I was bad at math. I was doing it as if the fire rate was 0.75 x.x

It's ok I was really confused too 😂

 

[kirblar]

I really prefer to use a Widow to take her out if the map allows it.

 

[LiK]

Is that enough DPS? I dont even know. Rarely see Zen so never played that type of match up before.

As a Zen, I've taken out Pharahs myself when my DPS dudes are slacking. Discord them and shoot.

 

[Dead Prince]

just don't aim where she's at. don't be like me. and alert her presence.

 

[Skii]

As a Zen, I've taken out Pharahs myself when my DPS dudes are slacking. Discord them and shoot.

But really if a Pharah is getting 1v1ed by a Zen they should just quit.

 

[antitrop]

But really if a Pharah is getting 1v1ed by a Zen they should just quit.

I stopped playing Pharah after I got Firestruck out of the sky.

 

[Fugu]

I really prefer to use a Widow to take her out if the map allows it.

Widow's not great for Pharah since Pharah can destroy her if she can close the distance, which she usually can with rocket jump.

I play a lot of Pharah (on PC) and I'd rate the best Pharah counter as McCree by a considerable margin, but the important thing is that countering Pharah requires co-ordination from the supports.

But really if a Pharah is getting 1v1ed by a Zen they should just quit.

Yep. If you're using your movement options you should never be killed by Zen as Pharah.

 

[Jellie]

I had a game where our hitscan complain that our team was just letting Pharah run us over and it was our fault he could not kill her.

I fear for the worst.

Well its not just the hit scans responsibility. Pharah will focus them first and if caught by surprise or with no support pharah will win. Hit scan is just the easiest to deal with her but she can outrange them easily.

Is that enough DPS? I dont even know. Rarely see Zen so never played that type of match up before.



Nah Genji and Tracer still the best at taking out Zen.

Even if it isn't enough DPS, it'll cause the pharah to land or switch.
Nah sombra best flanker. No bias. Any flanker can kill him easily tbh. Sombra and tracer are easiest I think. Tracer cos of the sheer damage and sombra because of the ult. It's fast ult so you can have it every fight if your team uses your packs and even without ult his hitbox is so bad you can one clip him.

 

[LiK]

But really if a Pharah is getting 1v1ed by a Zen they should just quit.

Good or bad, Pharahs are a pain to deal with most of the time. I always like if they end up switching to someone else so I can stop looking up.

Yep. If you're using your movement options you should never be killed by Zen as Pharah.

Zen is one of the better heroes to take her out aside from the usual DPS as long as you can take her out before she notices you.

 

[Vitanimus]

Smurfs are just not fun to with or against. Really frustrates when you get matched with or against someone that is clearly punching above the weight of the entire group.

 

[Fugu]

Zen is one of the better heroes to take her out aside from the usual DPS as long as you can take her out before she notices you.

I think presuming, as a Zen, that I'm going to see Pharah before she sees me is pretty dangerous. As a Pharah player, locating the supports is one of the first things that I do and Zen is a character that I target since his mobility options are very limited and he has a huge DPS disparity to ameliorate if he doesn't have any help.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Competitive is a shithole on console right now. It all boils down to "Who can use the Bastion strategy better" and it makes every game so god damn boring. Not to mention I've had people insult me and outright throw games because I'd rather play something else than a character with the sole purpose of babysitting a Bastion player. Talk about sucking the fun out of the game when you've got people who don't play for enjoyment but rather so they can follow "the meta" pitch perfectly every single game.

 

[Skii]

I stopped playing Pharah after I got Firestruck out of the sky.

Yeah I've done that a couple of times. The other 99% of the time the Rein just slowly dies as the rest of the team are incompetent shits who cant shoot a Pharah out of the sky.

Spoiler

not salty

Even if it isn't enough DPS, it'll cause the pharah to land or switch.
Nah sombra best flanker. No bias. Any flanker can kill him easily tbh. Sombra and tracer are easiest I think. Tracer cos of the sheer damage and sombra because of the ult. It's fast ult so you can have it every fight if your team uses your packs and even without ult his hitbox is so bad you can one clip him.

Yeah forgot about Sombra's ult. Genji is still really good vs him. His hitbox is so nice that you can land like 2 shurikens from right click dashes and you have reflect if he tries charging a volley.

Good or bad, Pharahs are a pain to deal with most of the time. I always like if they end up switching to someone else so I can stop looking up.

I hate playing vs Pharahs and Widows. They aren't particularly hard to fight as Genji but it's just so much hassle.

 

[LiK]

I hate Widows with a passion right now. Aim in my general area and death. I'm sure it takes some skill esp on console but that charged shot is annoying as fuck.

 

[KiraFA37]

Okay changing my sens from 7.65 to 5.25 lets see if I can hit scan better, playing with 1200DPI. Problem is I have been a wrist player all my live and changing to arm aiming will?is taking some time.

 

[Jellie]

Yeah I've done that a couple of times. The other 99% of the time the Rein just slowly dies as the rest of the team are incompetent shits who cant shoot a Pharah out of the sky.

Spoiler

not salty

Yeah forgot about Sombra's ult. Genji is still really good vs him. His hitbox is so nice that you can land like 2 shurikens from right click dashes and you have reflect if he tries charging a volley.



I hate playing vs Pharahs and Widows. They aren't particularly hard to fight as Genji but it's just so much hassle.

Any zen worth his salt will never m2. Especially in a 1 v 1. Maybe after the PTR patch but right now the downtime is too much.

Okay changing my sens from 7.65 to 5.25 lets see if I can hit scan better, playing with 1200DPI. Problem is I have been a wrist player all my live and changing to arm aiming will?is taking some time.

That seems way too high. I use 4.5/1000. Changed it to 4/1000 today though. Try changing by 0.5 at a time till you get used to it.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Owzers, I believe the day has come. The day you have longed for.

Will you be the Mercy to my Pharah?

 

[KiraFA37]

Any zen worth his salt will never m2. Especially in a 1 v 1. Maybe after the PTR patch but right now the downtime is too much.


That seems way too high. I use 4.5/1000. Changed it to 4/1000 today though. Try changing by 0.5 at a time till you get used to it.

The thing is that differences in 0.5 steps is pretty minimal when coming down from 7+ in my opinion. I only notice major difference once I went down to 5 and lower. I went down to 4 for testing purposes but that was way too slow. 5.25 was an acceptable value I felt comfortable with. Just going to stay off comp for a couple of days while I adjust.

 

[LiK]

I do like using a charged Zen shot and instakilling a Pharah. They think they're safe on top of a structure.

 

[Jellie]

The thing is that differences in 0.5 steps is pretty minimal when coming down from 7+ in my opinion. I only notice major difference once I went down to 5 and lower. I went down to 4 for testing purposes but that was way too slow. 5.25 was an acceptable value I felt comfortable with. Just going to stay off comp for a couple of days while I adjust.

Gonna decay to 3000 now. You should be able to 360 from one movement on your pad.

Also PTR patch up. 400ish mb I think.

 

[exYle]

Owzers, I believe the day has come. The day you have longed for.

Will you be the Mercy to my Pharah?

You play Pharah?

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

You play Pharah?

I play a pretty decent Pharah. I think she is going to dominate on console once this new patch comes out.

 

[Shouta]

Hmmm? Have I missed something?

Pretty sure Ana's gun isn't doing reduced HP? Is it?

Oh! I always assumed it was the same value...Dafuq? This nerf is kinda weird then...

So she's still the Queen of healing but can't do as much damage on the occasion she has to? Wat... So wait does that mean biotic only does 50 damage but still heals 100?

 

[Jellie]

Oh! I always assumed it was the same value...Dafuq? This nerf is kinda weird then...

So she's still the Queen of healing but can't do as much damage on the occasion she has to? Wat... So wait does that mean biotic only does 50 damage but still heals 100?

30 damage 50 heals I think.

 

[komaruR]

just gonna post this since we're talking about pharah again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWI5gRdkp4k

you way back when pharah was just patched. people where complaining that she was nerfed because she lost the ability to juggle with missle. it only took me few matches that i already saw a threat and was warning people about pharah actually got a buff due to minimal dmg and flight buff.
prepatch i could take care of mccree on console without any problem and after patch mccree on console just cant handle the range difference due to flight buff. the minimal dmg from explosion made it worse that i get almost 2 hit. the pharah wasnt even doing any fancy weaving, it just that the dmg drop off was so bad as mccree i couldnt kill her in 3 hits no more and let alone stay alive more than 2 shots from her. *just me ranting again lol, cause i can't use mccree as my goto serious hero anymore *

o btw, since i dont use ana often but i do notice ana's scoped firerate seems a bit slower than unscope firerate. is that true?

 

[LiK]

I play a pretty decent Pharah. I think she is going to dominate on console once this new patch comes out.

I don't see why she's more dominant after patch.

 

[Shouta]

30 damage 50 heals I think.

Ah, I was typing that shit on my phone so I wasn't looking carefully. I should stop posting on mobiles.

So minor nerf-ish overall?

 

[Jellie]

Ah, I was typing that shit on my phone so I wasn't looking carefully.

So minor nerf-ish?

If you consider 50% minor. By itself maybe. But with everything together than no.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

I don't see why she's more dominant after patch.

Less healing overall meaning her damage means more.

Harmony orb is great on Pharah

Discord orb is great on Pharah targets

Ana was great at keeping pressure on Pharah even if she didn't always kill her.

More discord hurts her, but I think overall she'll be very powerful.

 

[racketpunch]

It's not always the hitscan players fault if they can't take down a Pharmercy. A lot of it has to do with other variables like team positioning and comp. There have been times where I was soldier and my other team dps is junkrat vs a pharmercy + widow combo and the team would complain that I couldn't harass Pharah enough. Well it's not my fault that I can't take down a pocketed Pharah while a Widow snipes me and the junkrat on my team is spamming nades only at their tanks but the finger is still pointed at me.