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[Anne]

IDDQD is like notorious for going way too ham. AFAIK he's not a bad dude but he has a real habit of letting things get away from him and stepping on toes. Just throwing out the gossip I picked up here and there.

The crew at fnatic all seem hella chill(or from my viewpoint they have the personal charm of drywall on stage), he'd be a better fit on a more boisterous roster probably. I guess people don't think about that a lot, but team personality goes a long way.

Meanwhile C9 is busy building yet another meme squad.

 

[Majine]

this might be the faster ult change i have ever gotten.

also nerf symm

Omg I have to try this.

 

[Owzers]

Wouldn't they see you building the turrets...

 

[Data West]

I legit dont think QP has MMR anymore

 

[exYle]

IDDQD is like notorious for going way too ham. AFAIK he's not a bad dude but he has a real habit of letting things get away from him and stepping on toes. Just throwing out the gossip I picked up here and there.

The crew at fnatic all seem hella chill(or from my viewpoint they have the personal charm of drywall on stage), he'd be a better fit on a more boisterous roster probably. I guess people don't think about that a lot, but team personality goes a long way.

Meanwhile C9 is busy building yet another meme squad.

to what are you referring

 

[B-Dex]

Wouldn't they see you building the turrets...

Even if they did they still have to come out and turn around to get rid of them.

 

[Rickenslacker]

I legit dont think QP has MMR anymore

It's likely a case of it being looser with its parameters + people not giving a shit/trying new things because it's QP.

 

[Blu(e)]

Even if they did they still have to come out and turn around to get rid of them.

There are three exits.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

to what are you referring

dis guy

 

[RecRoulette]

this might be the faster ult change i have ever gotten.

also nerf symm

I thought that shit only worked against bots, yikes. Did the Pharah just not see you at all? lmao

 

[ricelord]

I thought that shit only worked against bots, yikes. Did the Pharah just not see you at all? lmao

i shoot a ball on the 3 second mark, so by time the door open she was going to get hit and the lasers killed her.

 

[Data West]

member when lucio could heal disorganized teams i member

 

[Ghost is Bad]

no amount of healing can save stupid players.

 

[finalflame]

member when lucio could heal disorganized teams i member

blizzard needs to do everything short of nerfing Lucio/Rein to the ground to get them out of the meta. sick of them being a basically mandatory pick for the last 7 months.

 

[Banjo Tango]

Best line is definitely tracer going "death comes" when she kills reaper

100%

 

[Data West]

blizzard needs to do everything short of nerfing Lucio/Rein to the ground to get them out of the meta. sick of them being a basically mandatory pick for the last 7 months.

 

[Rickenslacker]

blizzard needs to do everything short of nerfing Lucio/Rein to the ground to get them out of the meta. sick of them being a basically mandatory pick for the last 7 months.

They've kinda screwed themselves with the unique nature of their movesets. Rein definitely needs some sort of hard counter character to exist, and Lucio will always be valuable so long as he has speed boost.

 

[Banjo Tango]

no amount of healing can save stupid players.

As a Lucio main i hate when tanks charge in solo and then bitch about me being on speed boost. Its like i am trying to keep the rest of the team alive.

 

[Karsticles]

I think Widowmaker's 100% charged sniper shot should do double damage to shields or something.

 

[Plywood]

no amount of healing can save stupid players.

.

 

[finalflame]

Funny, as I changed my avatar from Zarya, who I main, so I wouldn't get called out for defending her I actually almost never play hog.

They've kinda screwed themselves with the unique nature of their movesets. Rein definitely needs some sort of hard counter character to exist, and Lucio will always be valuable so long as he has speed boost.

Yah, just something to at least loosen up those two as mandatory picks would be nice. I think it's long overdue, and hopefully Blizzard figures out a way. I wouldn't mind them being useless for a while with how much they've been picked basically since the game launched.

 

[Apathy]

since it's one day till arcade reset, reminding everyone to skip arcade until after tuesday so you can get extra lunar new year boxes (if you want that)

They've kinda screwed themselves with the unique nature of their movesets. Rein definitely needs some sort of hard counter character to exist, and Lucio will always be valuable so long as he has speed boost.

As I said before, some characters should actually have an in game classification of "tank buster", one that does extra damage to characters designated as a tank. Reaper and Pharah for offence and Junk and Torb with his shotgun (not turret). This avoids tanks metas as you actually can say "hey this comp has 4 tanks, ok, let me hop on a tankbuster" and actually make a dent on them even with something as broken as ana grenade

 

[Data West]

I think Widowmaker's 100% charged sniper shot should do double damage to shields or something.

That would make every single fight about snipers. The biggest thing about the shield is to save your allies from getting one shot by Widows. A strong Widow tilts the entire game around Widow and counterpicking Widow at higher levels.

there's a way to stop reinhardt dominance. it starts with bastion being viable and winston's shield not feeling more scarce than his ults. it won't completely erase reinhardt, but it'll help. soldiers in tf2 dominated every competitive match, you're likely going to have certain heroes that are always just key.

i honestly wouldn't be surprised if Doomfist could grab Rein through his barrier or something similar to charge

 

[Moonkid]

no amount of healing can save stupid players.

We can make them run away faster though :~)

 

[pizzacat]

went from 3050 to like 3285 tonight holy shit

 

[Karsticles]

That would make every single fight about snipers. The biggest thing about the shield is to save your allies from getting one shot by Widows. A strong Widow tilts the entire game around Widow and counterpicking Widow at higher levels.

there's a way to stop reinhardt dominance. it starts with bastion being viable and winston's shield not feeling more scarce than his ults. it won't completely erase reinhardt, but it'll help. soldiers in tf2 dominated every competitive match, you're likely going to have certain heroes that are always just key.

i honestly wouldn't be surprised if Doomfist could grab Rein through his barrier or something similar to charge

Good point.

That said, I'm not against some heroes being more meta than others. I just really don't like what Rein does to the game.

 

[LurkerPrime]

They just need something that is anti-armor the way Sombra is (theoretically) anti-shield, and Ana is anti-heal.

It's time to make D.va obsolete.

 

[finalflame]

Good point.

That said, I'm not against some heroes being more meta than others. I just really don't like what Rein does to the game.

Exactly. The whole "shield fights" dynamic has gotten insanely stale, especially with so many maps having extremely constrictive choke points. It's almost as if a lot of the game is currently built around Rein's shield.

 

[Data West]

I also think you should have to earn the right to use Reinhardt's charge

cause nothing throws a game faster than suicidal reinhardt

 

[finalflame]

I also think you should have to earn the right to use Reinhardt's charge

cause nothing throws a game faster than suicidal reinhardt

At the very least a kamikazi charging Reinhardt should try to coordinate to have Zarya bubble + ana grenade + lucio amp/speed.

I think most newer/retarded Rein players just get bored behind the shield and decide, for some reason, that charging into the enemy abyss is a good idea. I don't know how many times I've had to call "Hey Rein, good job overall but chill on the charges dude" over comms to people who think charging is a fucking game.

 

[Data West]

I love Lucio but I still think his m1 is a terrible feeling gun and really should have been a shotgun with his vertical control and speed.

 

[Antiwhippy]

They just need something that is anti-armor the way Sombra is (theoretically) anti-shield, and Ana is anti-heal.

It's time to make D.va obsolete.

It's called the next patch.

 

[Banjo Tango]

I love Lucio but I still think his m1 is a terrible feeling gun and really should have been a shotgun with his vertical control and speed.

I feel like his boop is shotgun enough... Env kills are the most satisfying

 

[finalflame]

I love Lucio but I still think his m1 is a terrible feeling gun and really should have been a shotgun with his vertical control and speed.

Eh, I love the "blup blup blup" feeling of his sound blaster. It's pretty good when you get used to timing the projectiles, and boop is life.

 

[cyborg009]

blizzard needs to do everything short of nerfing Lucio/Rein to the ground to get them out of the meta. sick of them being a basically mandatory pick for the last 7 months.

maybe something like healing is based on range of lucio? Someone posted it on blizzards forums it was really popular.

 

[Data West]

maybe something like healing is based on range of lucio? Someone posted it on blizzards forums it was really popular.

Lucio's healing isnt the problem

 

[ISOM]

blizzard needs to do everything short of nerfing Lucio/Rein to the ground to get them out of the meta. sick of them being a basically mandatory pick for the last 7 months.

I think the problem will alleviate with Rein if they create more tanks that do Rein's job but that may be months or years down the line. I don't know how they will get Lucio out of the meta without completely removing his speedboost.

 

[jviggy43]

went from 3050 to like 3285 tonight holy shit

Yep; Went from 3226 to 3467. Need like two more wins for master.

 

[Banjo Tango]

boop is life.

<3

 

[Karsticles]

At the very least a kamikazi charging Reinhardt should try to coordinate to have Zarya bubble + ana grenade + lucio amp/speed.

I think most newer/retarded Rein players just get bored behind the shield and decide, for some reason, that charging into the enemy abyss is a good idea. I don't know how many times I've had to call "Hey Rein, good job overall but chill on the charges dude" over comms to people who think charging is a fucking game.

During my first week of play, I usually decided to charge because my shield was getting low and I didn't know what else to do.

 

[Plywood]

Probably just had one of my funnest games of all time, based purely on the team chatter. There were two different stacks on my team and everyone was just goofy and enthusiastic and just jelled together. The synergy was unreal and I'm gushing, but goddamn. We 4-tanked our offense rounds with Mercy solo healing and Junkrat as our only DPS and it crushed them. When it came time for our 2nd round of defense we were in sync enough to hold the 1st point too.

 

[Blizzard]

Probably just had one of my funnest games of all time, based purely on the team chatter. There were two different stacks on my team and everyone was just goofy and enthusiastic and just jelled together. The synergy was unreal and I'm gushing, but goddamn. We 4-tanked our offense rounds with Mercy solo healing and Junkrat as our only DPS and it crushed them. When it came time for our 2nd round of defense we were in sync enough to hold the 1st point too.

Take a look at the thread title.

 

[Data West]

soldier 76 ults beside me and ana
i throw down barrier
ana runs out of the barrier into 76. i dont mean like 'got caught in momentum' i mean she ran directly at him


just qp bruh

 

[Blues1990]

As far as Lucio is concerned, AlphaCast had the right idea with how generous the distance his LOS Auras are, along with them not synergizing well with the rest of his tool kit. For example:

To me Lucio's main problem is the way his auras work.

- They are way too big
- They are extremely generous with LoS
- They don't synergize at all with Lucio's wall ride since they're so large.


I feel like Blizzard have been trying to figure out how to nerf him without thinking of nerfing the aura mechanic, but I think the devs should try this :

Lower the power of Lucio's aura the further away you are from him, change the healing and speed values and buff his Sonic Amplifier

For example :
- 100% of aura's power within 5 meters range from Lucio.
- 75% of aura's power within 5 to 15 meters range.
- 50% of aura's power within 15 to 25 meters range.
- 25% of aur's power within 25 to 35 meters range.

Those are exemple values and are probably wrong but you get my point.

(Maybe lower the total size of the aura as well ?)

- It will make positionning with Lucio an actual important skill to have

- It will allow Blizzard to buff him back the way he felt before, most notably buffing his gun and/or heal would help turn him back into the hybrid healer/skirmish he was supposed to be in the first place. (And that we all loved playing in the first place.)

- It will potentially make the wall ride ability more useful. (Buffing Lucio's movement speed while wall riding could also be good).

- It will greatly increase the overall skill cap on this character.

In general, just making this tiny change would, I think, allow Lucio to feel way better and since his range would be so reduced maybe make him less of a dominant pick no matter which map you're playing on since having a Lucio would mean : playing very close to each other to benefit as much as you can from his aura. We know a lot of heroes counter that kind of strategy well (Pharah, Junkrat for example).

Anyway, those are my thoughts after playing a ton of Lucio lately in a competitive environement and talking to a lot of pros from teams including Rogue and Misfits. The general feedback I got from them was similar. Lucio feels kind of bad, and nerfing him like Blizzard is is probably not going to fix the issue we have right now. Those were my thoughts.

Let me know what you think, hoping someone from the dev team reads this !

Cheers everyone,

AlphaCast

 

[Plywood]

Take a look at the thread title.

Most of my comp matches typically end up being 2-2-2 on my teams side with a Roadhog + any other tank, but yeah was nice to see the meta

 

[Moonkid]

Being grouped up with players at least like 400 levels above me in QP, not used to seeing silver/gold borders lol.

edit: Now I'm teamed against them, fuck ): But I also just noticed I preferred one of the players in their team in the past, so it does work haha.

 

[Data West]

when are we getting new weapon colors

selecao is best lucio skin but golden seleceao looks awful

 

[maomaoIYP]

So I have a smurf account where I only placed into platinum for S3. My main placed into diamond. Honestly speaking I've enjoyed the matches at platinum level a lot more. There is less of a desperate need to stick to the tank meta, and 2/2/2 still works fine. Also there are more players at that level, and the chance of getting put against full master/GM stacks are almost non-existent.
I gained 200 SR since yesterday, now the smurf is in diamond too. Time to retire the account until S4.

 

[Data West]

Honestly, you could say the same of Zarya or Roadhog as Rein or Lucio. Maybe not as extreme but not far behind it

the ability to make long range picks/one shots and bringing beefier enemies into your team to be focused. the ability to completely bypass one hit kills and cleanse major debuffs. and those two are the only ones that can do it. zarya is the only one who can cleanse discord or reset freeze

 

[Atuin]

So I have a smurf account where I only placed into platinum for S3. My main placed into diamond. Honestly speaking I've enjoyed the matches at platinum level a lot more. There is less of a desperate need to stick to the tank meta, and 2/2/2 still works fine. Also there are more players at that level, and the chance of getting put against full master/GM stacks are almost non-existent.
I gained 200 SR since yesterday, now the smurf is in diamond too. Time to retire the account until S4.

Wait 2-2-2 isn't the tank meta everyone is talking about? In my experience getting 2 tanks and 2 healers is a meta miracle, usually it's just 1 off-healer, 1 tank and 4 genjihanzowidowmccrees.