Nope, the tank meta is 3 or 4 tanks, Ana + dps.
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Nope, the tank meta is 3 or 4 tanks, Ana + dps.
Yeah, i agree. The other tanks really dont fit the role as "tank" the way RH does. Imo, the other tanks are the problem, not RH.
And since lucio is also the only character with speedboost, people will keep using him. Other characters also needs that ability, or there has to be a strong counter to it.
Well that explains some of the memes. I don't think I've ever seen 3 tanks in a team and have to play tank/healer pretty much every game to get to 2-2-2 or at least 3-2-1 (3 squishies, 1/2 tanks and 1/2 healers). There was a game every everyone picked 5 attack/def squishies like genji, widow and hanzo and I had to choose between having 1 tank or 1 healer.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who finds it weird that there's simply no alternatives to main tanking and reliably protecting your allies from damage intake. I know the other Tank Heroes in Overwatch outrank Reinhardt when it comes to DPS, Support, Mobility, and Utility, but with his role being so important to the current modes' gameplay, he seems invaluable to just about any team composition and map situation. You have solid alternatives for the other classes, such as switching Lucio for Zenyatta/Ana, for example.
On the other hand, I think the main problem is if you end up with two (or more) main tanks in the same team, it makes it much more difficult to get past their defenses.
First Reinhardt puts up his shield. Then when that gets shot down, the second main tank puts up their team-protecting defense. By the time the enemy team shoots that down, Reinhardt's shield is likely back up, and the other tank can recharge their defense while Reinhardt or Symmetra is protecting the team.
It could end up being almost impossible to get past without half the enemy team flanking or introducing more shield-piercing attacks. Or limiting a team to one main tank.
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I really disagree with this notion. In another context but a game of a similar vein, in TF2 who's the tank? Heavy Weapons Guy. Why is he a tank? Because he's beefier to take down and can shred those near him. The nearest Overwatch equivalent is Roadhog, but the others fit in having damage mitigating abilities and higher health pools. Reinhardt being the "main" tank because he can effortlessly defend everyone isn't what should define a tank role, he's the outlier and something I think would be an unhealthy template to base other tanks on imo.
I wouldn't call Reinhardt RH because he's not the only tank with those initials. For a moment I was wondering how anyone can consider RoadHog as the "true tank".
If you're not using his template for other tanks then you're still stuck with the issue of Rein being the only one who can do that particular job and he will still be needed as much as Lucio's speedboost.
Rickenslacker
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Using him as a template would probably be a disaster as you'd then allow for the stack on effect of having Rein AND another significant damage blocker in tandem and things become a turtlefest, add Mei in there for good measure and it's pandemonium. The others tanks work much better precisely because their mitigation comes in specified bursts, not prolonged damage sponges that cover significant area.
None of those stop the tank meta lol. There's one tank so broken that she completely destroys all 4 of those heroes you mentioned. That's literally why she's being nerfed so heavily because she single handedly made it impossible to touch the tank meta.
I also dont think Junkrat and Torb are good vs tanks even if the meta becomes more balanced. I usually look towards the tanks to deal with those two.
Garrett Hawke
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The "tank meta" is Rein + Hog + Zarya/DVa and Ana (the enabler). Coupled with another healer like Zen or Lucio and then (usually) Soldier.
And not only those 4 heroes. Whenever I play McCree, I wish for D.Va to be deleted. She just feels unfair. The nerfs will be great.
If this were true why didn't people run double Rein's when there was no hero limit? The fact is that a melee tank like Rein has its limitations so double stacking with Rein is not as attractive as you're making it out to be. As long as the template is similar in being melee I don't see much of a problem.
Rickenslacker
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Things were very different back then, and the very nature of being able to stack any hero changes considerations entirely.
Fact is you're only guessing.
Our Rein complained the entire match because I was playing Lucio, because apparently Lucio is a "slow healer" and a "bad hero" and he wasn't getting any heals the entire game (according to him), even though we also had an Ana. I was like, dude I already have 8k healing after one round. Everytime he died he yelled at us for not healing him, until the Ana finally just left and I was solo healing. He continued to blame everything going wrong in the match on me, harrassing me the entire time to switch healers. We lose, they tell me I suck ass and to go fuck myself while my PotG plays and I get 14k total healing for the match.
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Rickenslacker
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That is all anyone can do, but I don't believe that the solution to something problematic is by adding more of it.
Uhhhhhhhhhhh Lucio + Ana is the combo for the maximum healing. What did he want you to pick? Zen is a weaker healer than Lucio and Mercy is D tier compared Lucio. This guy's complaints are unfounded.
Newtype-001
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Why does it feel like everytime i lose i get grouped with the same people but when i win its like nope
This sort of reminds me of a match I had yesterday on Lijiang where the enemy Reinhardt would try to come to capture the point all by himself every single time. He didn't even try edging in, just charge and hammer swings. I was Zen and he was a free kill every single time. We won very comfortably.
Ryo Hazuki
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Guys, I fucked up and thought the GAF GOTY thread voting ended on the 25th but it was yesterday and I missed voting. Feels shitty and I didn't know where else to go so I came here. Overwatch was going to be my number 1 
Rienhardt feeders are almost as bad as Roadhog's. Almost.
I have seen an enemy D.Va farm 5 ults in the span of 2 minutes from a Roadhog.
I feel like we played with the exact same reinhardt
i got so mad at one point that i just turned to healing aura and did my sit emote on the payload and did nothing else so as to make him feel better. we even had Ana and that still wasnt enough for him
the people that play this game are nuts
He wanted to pick Mercy, haha. The very first thing he said in chat after we had already picked Lucio/Ana was "SOMEONE SWITCH MERCY NOW" (yes all caps). I was just like, whatever dude.
It's just hilarious to me that people get these really weird (read:blatantly wrong) ideas about how the characters function, then push those ideas on everyone else because they just know better. This was the first time I'd had someone turn on me for playing Lucio of all people, nobody ever bothers me for playing Lucio.
It's just hilarious to me that people get these really weird (read:blatantly wrong) ideas about how the characters function, then push those ideas on everyone else because they just know better. This was the first time I'd had someone turn on me for playing Lucio of all people, nobody ever bothers me for playing Lucio.
As someone who plays D.Va a lot, I feed ult off of Roadhog whenever I see him. You'll fill up the ult meter quite a bit just shooting at him for a few seconds.
NeoRaider
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Guys, I fucked up and thought the GAF GOTY thread voting ended on the 25th but it was yesterday and I missed voting. Feels shitty and I didn't know where else to go so I came here. Overwatch was going to be my number 1
It wouldn't change anything so it's ok.
TheSpoiler
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Tfw I've had three games with 10 gold elim as fucking Luc and our DPS does nothing.
Garrett Hawke
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YepIt wouldn't change anything so it's ok.
We all know what the actual GOTY was anyway.
This is pretty much what I've been thinking.
People have just accepted Reinhardt as the baseline for a tank, which pretty much makes him, by definition, "perfectly balanced". That's why any discussion about a possible nerf gets immediately shot down and ridiculed.
I think this issues comes from the dynamic nature of the game. There's no universal static left and right. You need to think about your own position and rotation in relation to the map layout in the heat of the moment.
This is part of the reason why they have precise callouts in games like Counter-strike. Easier to shout "He's in dark!" Than "Behind a box on the right! ... my right, not yours"
Edit: Damn, sorry for double post. Overwatch threads are getting slow.
Only works on extremely dumb teams, it's very counterable by a team that does callouts near doors beforehand.
Vault Dweller 111
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If I had to boil down my bad record this season to just one thing it would definitely be Insta lock Mercy's on my team.
Every teamfight is 5v6 and the team with the Ana gets better healing anyway.
Mercy is so ass, she can't do anything but heal, and she's not even the best at that.
She needs an aoe 'cleanse' ability. Removes anti heal. Wakes people from sleep, gets people off ground after Rein ult, etc.
Every teamfight is 5v6 and the team with the Ana gets better healing anyway.
Mercy is so ass, she can't do anything but heal, and she's not even the best at that.
She needs an aoe 'cleanse' ability. Removes anti heal. Wakes people from sleep, gets people off ground after Rein ult, etc.
Imagine a Reinhardt battle where your opponent has an Ana and you have a Mercy. Almost impossible to win it.
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The Mercy pick tilts me sometimes harder than Junkrat.
You have to be way safer than how people play knowing theres an ana and a lucio backing you up
Theres gonna be times when you have one healer because shes hiding a rez shit like that
I like mercy hopefully one day people will too :,)
Actually kind of the opposite is true.
Vault Dweller 111
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Not in her current state. But I'm not talking about you, it's almost worth you playing Mercy just so I can give you shit every time you die before the rez. I just mean solo queue people, who don't talk, just auto lock Mercy and put us in what can, at best, be called a 5.5v6 the rest of the game.
It CAN be decent (but still never the 'right' choice), but I think she is utter trash at attacking a capture point or pushing a payload.
Nuno Pinto
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Mercy can be super annoying on assault maps 2nd point.
Us: C'mon owzers, we need that rez.
Owzers: I'm dead.
Us: C'mon owzers, we need that rez.
Owzers: I'm dead.
I swear, for every 2 good competitive matches I get, I get like 3 where we lose and the team becomes total idiots. The other team will have a mercy and people will stand around and shoot at the dva or reaper in front of the mercy while they get healed, instead of going for mercy herself. I'm like the only dude trying to actually kill her so we have a chance.
Makes no freaking sense and it makes me angry.
Makes no freaking sense and it makes me angry.
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