Hopefully never. Buffed Zen is scary.
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Hopefully never. Buffed Zen is scary.
Doesn't need it.
He sucked so badly at release, though: 150HP, Less damage, slower Discord Orbs (it was so slowwwwww). no movement speed buff during Transcendence.
He's been buffed probably more than any other character (except maybe D.Va).
Newtype-001
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#BringBack50%Discord
BumperLips
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So am I missing something or are we still going to be in the 3 tank meta? Ana nerf doesnt seem enough, and I doubt there has been enough testing done to tell if it has.
Rein/Zarya/Roadhog will still be a spicy comp after the patch.
With D.Va going out of flavor, the synergy in that comp is really good. Zarya can bubble Rein's charges and Roadhog's hooks to prevent CC and guarantee the picks. Roadhog has self-healing and Zarya has regenerating shields. It's all good.
Red Arremer
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They're on West Coast, so releasing stuff earlier would mean having stuff come out really early in the morning for them.
BumperLips
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Yeah curious about this: is there no other counter to a Rein besides another Rein? Always feels like the case and it may be what this problem stems from.
fluffydelusions
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Crazy to think this game has been out almost a year already
I come into work early all the time, friend
OdysseusVA
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I may even settle for #HitscanZen
TurboLibre
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Rein counters are tricky because they usually need some backup. Like a Bastion melts him, but one on one it could get messy. I can boss one around as Lucio, but I need people to keep the pressure so he keeps his shield up.
One on one I'd chose Phara, Soldier, Junkrat or Zarya.
I would love this. Something about the timing with his orbs doesn't gel with me, I have a hard time hitting intended shots. So I just spam where I expect people to be. That usually works out though, lol.
LucidMomentum
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Crazy to think I've been playing it for almost a year and I still don't tire of it, even with comp being so tilting at times.
Catch me in the Plat trench, how about that?
Congrats!
Oh fuck that. It's already bad enough getting hit with random projectiles behind shields and such. Hitscan Zen would be way too good.
I mean, that's kinda how projectiles work
Vault Dweller 111
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Hitscan Zen would be broken as fuck. The difference between a pro and a scrub is like 10% more Zen accuracy.
BumperLips
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I mean one on one is fine. But every push with a full team seems really disadvantageous for the team without the Rein. Considering you'd have shield which also blocks his ult and multiple others.
Also yeah, Zen is so wierd with his orb hits. I think it's probably good to think about it like rapid firing near full charge Hanzo arrows, so give it some lead time.
The Wizard
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Zen is pretty balanced right now he just has often has to compete for a slot against the strongest character in the game.
The main problems making it broken have been nerfed enough so that other things can compete. Rein/Zarya/Roadhog/Ana is still probably pretty good, but not to the point of being unquestionably the most stable strat.
Note the main limiting factors of tank comp before was that you couldn't burst through Ana and DPS couldn't play long enough to kill tanks.
Tbh even with hook 2.1 he is still probably too good. I'm only thinking he'll see a bit of a drop in play because Ana can't keep up, but a part of me says ti doesn't matter as long as he is still deleting people.
LucidMomentum
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Is there a site to check my match history? My team had a 40 game win streak in 3v3 that I'd like to look at
Don't know if Overbuff tracks 3v3s but that's what I use for comp.
Red Arremer
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But do you come like 3 AM early into work?
Because it's not like they just push a button to release a patch, they have to do some prep work before they can do it as well.
killdatninja
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I'm looking at my stats for overbuff and one thing is very apparent, my best character by far is Mei. I don't get why though, I feel like all I really do well is stall with her or get some decent walls to stop an enemy attack, if I can't do this then I get steamrolled and switch off immediately. I look at my stats with her and they're just not great, yet I'm getting the best W/L ratio with her. In comp, I might get a (usually bronze) medal for elims, gold on objective time (duh, I'm stalling at the point) but everything else... usually no medals.
Should I just embrace this fact and roll with Mei more often or should I keep putting in work with characters that I feel I'm doing well with even if my W/L isn't as good as it is with Mei? I'm not a fan of attack Mei (especially for 2CP), but I see it often now (I'm barely diamond). I might try a Mei-day to see how it turns out...
Should I just embrace this fact and roll with Mei more often or should I keep putting in work with characters that I feel I'm doing well with even if my W/L isn't as good as it is with Mei? I'm not a fan of attack Mei (especially for 2CP), but I see it often now (I'm barely diamond). I might try a Mei-day to see how it turns out...
Dude I cannot catch a break. Just had another match where I was the only one denying payload. I die and the time falls apart. Soldier wasnt killing bastion, Mercy would not stay behind me and decided to battle marcy vs genji. I would spam group up but nobody would stay close.
Well, the hook rework was never meant to outright be a nerf. In some ways it hurts but in others it buffs, once they added slowdown to midair hooks and some less strict LoS stuff it makes the removal of the negatives (people getting pulled and placed in weird ass spots) also help a lot more. It was ultimately something that needed to happen just due to all wonky shit possible but the added consistency of ALWAYS plopping people right in front does add more ever important consistency.
But I think it'll depend on the rest of the meta changing. Dva being nerfed is big since I actually find Roadhog's rise in the meta a perfect storm of scenarios that all favored him. Roadhog's shieldbreak is really the only other good thing he has aside from the hook, so when the meta is Rein = S tier autopick on both sides in every game mode, shieldbreak has naturally increased in value. (I actually doubt this will go down post-patch, tbh). Hook is also one of the very few things that can counter Defense Matrix in a meta where D.Va is widespread. And of course, it goes without saying that Hog's burst damage is very powerful in an Ana-dictated meta which is where Roadhog picks commands even more value. People already never die with the insane Ana burst healing which makes displacement/burst picks one of the only means to counter it. The extra benefits against dva and rein just increase it further.
Take Dva out, lessen Ana's impact and a lot will shake up either way. Dva in particular was basically just a walking NOPE stick on two rocket propelled legs who outright negated a lot of shit that might be strong that we haven't been able to see in action.
do 2 today, andf the rest tomorrow.
Karsticles
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The heavier the firefight is, the more dangerous it is for Zenyatta to just sit and fire continuously. It's great when you need to be low risk. It's also a good burst damage tool against characters like Bastion. I usually use L-click on Reinhardt's shield until it's cracked, and then I charged R-click while my team breaks it for a chance to burst him down.
Also, in general, it's just better to charge R-click while walking around so you can get the lead on anyone you see during travels.
I put Discord on right-click.
It's actually a pretty good burst option ever since they buffed it. Just have it charged when you go to peek and you might "oops" somebody out the fight. Pre-buff it was pretty bad so I think that perception is still around?
Conor_Fool
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Just got my first legendary item at lvl 34. 500 coins baby, then an epic 150 coins after (why not 250 tho?).
Pretty happy with it. Now to choose what legendary skin I want...
Pretty happy with it. Now to choose what legendary skin I want...
Yeah it's good for spamming choke points for anyone who might be peaking.
Lets see your sombra stats
http://masteroverwatch.com/profile/pc/eu/Josh-22637
Im still maintaining the 50/50. But yeh, the biggest obstacle is everyone thinks im throwing lol.
Ghost is Bad
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throw back and pick attack torb.
Well you can pick Reaper into triple tank now because Dva won't be shitting on him. But I still think it won't be enough because Roadhog getting a hook or Ana deciding to go all in on a tank you're focusing means you're dead.
Soldier might still be the proper pick vs tanks.
Cause people have no idea how to play with a Sombra.
When I ask people to get ready for when I ult Reinhardt they're like "lol wut?"
Yeh thats kinda true, I find the main problem is people just think im going to die or something. Then they get woke to one of the best combos in the game grav/emp.
i have to play another game, i just made one of these when you asked
http://masteroverwatch.com/profile/pc/us/Amari-11988
and i agree with you, my teammates are my greatest enemy when i pick her.
CrazedProfessional
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Sombra in general is just a misguided kit design.Her gun is too low damage, her hacking ability can be interrupted. So you're just fiddling around waiting for your EMP which no one knows what to do regarding it.
She literally has to yell "ALL THEIR ABILITIES ARE DOWN, GO!" as her ult phrase for a team to actually appreciate it.
She literally has to yell "ALL THEIR ABILITIES ARE DOWN, GO!" as her ult phrase for a team to actually appreciate it.
Incendiary
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I've counter-sniped bad Widows with Zen's alt-fire by charging around the corner and then letting loose right where her head is as she stands in one place and fires over and over again.
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