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Pachter -PS4 will feature "hyperrealistic games" and "render games at 240fps"
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Of course it's him.
Oh no, it is the real Michael Pachter alright.
SneakyStephan
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Can someone please photoshop pachter's face on the little boy on the right?
Ot: there aren't even any displays right now that can display 240 fps, 95 percent of tvs (yes including those so called 100 hz tvs) will only accept 60 fps input, 3d tvs accept and display 120 fps. 90 percent of computer monitors only operate at 60hz.
Also fps on its own is a meaningless metric, so his statement was meaningless as well.
And lastly, no pachter, Gaf isn't predominantly smart (just look at any hardware or xbox vs ps3 thread) , you don't have to lick our balls in an attempt to avoid internet rage directed at you. It's as unbecoming as it is insincere.
Ot: there aren't even any displays right now that can display 240 fps, 95 percent of tvs (yes including those so called 100 hz tvs) will only accept 60 fps input, 3d tvs accept and display 120 fps. 90 percent of computer monitors only operate at 60hz.
Also fps on its own is a meaningless metric, so his statement was meaningless as well.
And lastly, no pachter, Gaf isn't predominantly smart (just look at any hardware or xbox vs ps3 thread) , you don't have to lick our balls in an attempt to avoid internet rage directed at you. It's as unbecoming as it is insincere.
Those assumptions shouldn't even be in here. Tech moves forward and if the company's track record of hardware is to go by [which we are] then it makes no sense. Post is still ridiculous.
Yep.
How much Pachter news do you have to hear about if you don't click on threads that have his name in the title? I'm guessing you can lessen it rather significantly, but I'm also guessing you don't actually want to.
What?
RAM is there to store data to be streamed from. More RAM + higher bandwidth = less load times as there's less of a need to constantly stream from the disc.
Sorry, I have no idea what your saying. Anyway I think PS4 ram will surely be faster, right?
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Herb Alpert
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I don't know why but this comes to my mind :
StevePharma
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You know, I do think we have to kind of scale back the insults. Yeah, this is kind of a weird thing to say that was maybe misinterpreted, but there's no way I would even stick around to explain myself (if I were him) given the way some of you talk. Please step back a little.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
ahahahahah that's amazing
Hot Coldman
Banned
ugh
just the worst kind of behaviour
Well I agree with this at least. I actually am interested in how he reaches his conclusions. He's not exactly making it hard for some to assume he's baiting people when he doesn't engage in any sort of debate beyond painfully short shows on GT.
Yeah I don't get the hatred and the name calling. I mean what did he do to these people.
CambriaRising
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He was wrong on the internet! A Capital offense!
The issue is not that the RAM is slower. It's that the medium with which the RAM is filled is the slow part.
Let's say the Blu-Ray drive in the PS4 is 4x as fast as the PS3 one but games require 6x as the amount of memory, then it's going to take longer to fill the RAM.
Streaming engines will just have stuff loading in the background. But if you just did a naive "fill it up to the brink" program, it would take longer.
Regular platter harddisks didn't get significantly faster in the last 6 years so that doesn't help either.
Anyway, there are ways to mask this. There is a way to show this issue in a micro benchmark. Everyone just relax.
SneakyStephan
Banned
To be fair, looking at how he trolls nintendo fans in his own videos and how common these kind of statements are, it's pretty safe to say he thrives on this type of attention
I'll be good though.
There is such a thing as streaming from the HDD and installing games. And more importantly more ram means you don't have to flush the contents nearly as often ,so loading times should be significantly reduced overall.
Pc games have had negligable loading times compared to their consoles counterparts (order of magnitude shorter for 99 percent of games) since as long as I've known.
When people (well I at least) complain about console loading times it isn't about a 30sec preloading at the start of the game, it's having to look at that long loading bar again every time you go back to the menu, every time you restart a race, every time you reload a map or change maps , every time you enter or leave a house in skyrim etc etc.
On pc you are reading from the (way faster) HDD and all that plentyful system ram is used as a super fast buffer , so when your gpu needs new data most of it doesn't come from the HDD, let alone the disc.
Assuming MS and the devs who make games for the console aren't retarded they will use plenty of that 8GB of ram for caching as much data as possible (you can stream it in from the disc and HDD at the same time in advance or while playing or while in the menu) so you don't have to deal with many loading times, and as for PS4 I assume it'll be the same thing.
It should be even more seamless as it doesn't even have to be moved to the vram anymore since the unified ram is shared by the gpu and cpu already.
Insane Metal
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The problem with such statements is that once the PS4 is released and these things don't happen, many people will start asking "but... what about the 240 fps? What about 4k gaming? LoL sony sucks"... but in fact none of this was stated by Sony.
Pachter is an idiot, ffs.
Pachter is an idiot, ffs.
Yeah I know that in 2005 Sony actually claimed many ridiculous things, but this time, at least so far, they haven't.
SpoonyBard
Banned
Well, the RAM must be filled from somewhere first. If you install the game to SSHD and load the assets mostly from there, then load times will be quick. But at some point it must be loaded from the slow optical drive.
they jus' jelly that they don't make tons of money making guesses that would be right if only they read neoGAF for more than 10 minutes a day.
walking fiend
Member
has he gone totally nuts?
no just totally stupid
Aquamarine
Member
GAF's bigger than you think it is. Why do you think there are so many lurkers on this site?
Even Satan lurks here somewhere.
SpoonyBard
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Eh, he just doesn't understand computer (gaming) techonology. Doesn't make him stupid, just incompetent.
VivaciousSoul
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I just posted to say thanks. I got genuinely real and unexpected laughs out of this thread and I am really appreciative. Thanks everyone.
Then he shouldn't talk about it, if you talk about things you don't understand, you're gonna laughed at, especially if you're Patcher.
I get the feeling that's not the longest list in the world. Someone post it please!
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michaelpachter
He speaks, and we freak
There is no question that GTA will have immersive multiplayer. It seems to me (bring it on, GAFfers) that the vast majority of time spent on multiplayer is spent on military-style FPS (games with a clear balance that makes sense) or on sports multiplayer (again, balanced in a way that makes sense). Tomb Raider is trying to do this with Scavenger vs. Survivor (or something like that), other games have tried it, but none has succeeded in a mass-market way like military shooters, space shooters, and sports games. I think that 80% or more of multiplayer hours are spent on these games, and think that other games with multiplayer are facing an uphill battle to attract players in the same way that Call of Duty or FIFA has.
With that said, while I think GTA will definitely have multiplayer, I don't think it has a prayer of approaching the 25 million monthly active uniques Activision claimed in July 2012. GTA has always been primarily a single player experience, and the addition of multiplayer is unlikely to feel as familiar to multiplayer addicts as Call of Duty feels, since the game is likely to pit gang vs. gang instead of army vs. army. So my belief is that the first 15 million in sales are a lock, but that the next 10 million will require attracting people addicted to FIFA and CoD multiplayer; I think that is more of a challenge.
For the record, your post was thoughtful and logical, and I appreciate the dialogue.
Hero of Legend
Member
First Fuse will sell 5 million copies and now this.
He has to be doing this to troll everyone, no one in their sane mind can believe any of this.
He has to be doing this to troll everyone, no one in their sane mind can believe any of this.
Aquamarine
Member
How long has he been at Wedbush Securities? That alone should be proof enough that he's decent (to his clients). If he was legitimately "that bad at his job," he would have been booted long ago.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Pach-dawg, come back to the thread and put on your learnin' cap. If you're willing to be educated then we're here for you bro. Best friends forever.
michaelpachter
He speaks, and we freak
It's me. The avatar was made by a GAFfer. I thought it was funny, adopted it as my own.
Yes, we're really taping a show about GAF and all the negativity. I think I'm only part of it, think they are going to interview others as well.
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I think Dyack will be in that one. Has to be.
Don't you think that would just feed the "negativity" I mean, this is the internet, if we have even 15 minutes of fame, we won't change and we'll actually keep it up. Seem illogical, to be honest.
EDIT: I expect Geoff, and one of the McElroy's to say how we insult every journalist or how we try to trick them.
Are you going to talk about the positive aspects of GAF as well, or just the negative?
If I was the editor of that video I would make sure those wouldn't go into the show.
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In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
WTF is this shit
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