Leatherface
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I guess the moral compass shatters when 130+ children get slaughtered...
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Pakistan to execute 500 jailed militants in wake of Taliban school massacre
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I guess the moral compass shatters when 130+ children get slaughtered...
paolo11
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Didn't someone just post statistics about prisoners in that country have a good chance of escaping?
I see. I guess we will see the outcome based on their goverment's answer.
Gambit 1138
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What barbarism? These people WANT to go to heaven!
Rogue_Ledr
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It guarantees these monsters will never kill again.
Ryouji Gunblade
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Imagine if we applied this logic to all that have served in any military.
Lord Morairty007
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Not a smart idea. The retaliation from the Taliban will be monumental.
Rogue_Ledr
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What is this supposed to mean? You're not seriously equating killing done in the military to the slaughters wrought by terrorists, I hope? That is done in self defense.
Messofanego
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On one hand, they murdered my people. None of them are innocent in any way. It's either they have life sentences or if they're not likely to reform, then this course of action.
On the other hand, if they abuse their laws like USA did with the Patriot Act:
On the other hand, if they abuse their laws like USA did with the Patriot Act:
Gentleman Jack
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I share your lack of faith in the Pakistani military's average trigger discipline when it comes to upholding the international standards of human rights, particularly inmates. It's still wrong to exact revenge like this, and it won't deter the Taliban who have no problems escalating suicide bombing attacks on soft, civilian targets.
Rogue_Ledr
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As if they aren't going to commit such atrocities anyway? Let's not be naive here.
Captain Tuttle
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I'm pretty sure it's the public calling for this, people are outraged
Messofanego
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Taliban isn't some military fighting in a just war, they've been killing their own people and their goal is to take over all of Pakistan or wherever to instill their rules. Pakistan's forces have been trying to stop their invasion for many years now.
They are the reason why I don't like going to Pakistan every couple of years. Some places where we go for holidays like resorts or beaches were not possible because they were seen nearby and we lived in Karachi not Peshawar or other Northern areas. They are terrorists, not freedom fighters, no doubt about it.
Ryouji Gunblade
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Ah, self-defense. Now what happens when both sides claim to be protecting their homes, people, and ideology? It's hard to claim moral high ground when both sides kill for revenge, torture, and leave lots of collateral damage. You can try to claim high ground when you do less evil than your opponent. Matching their wrongs with more wrongs does not give you high ground.
Why would it be? The Taliban don't serve in the military for any sort of accountable state.
Succinct Verbosity
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Assuming these are classed as enemy combatants that are prisoners, isn't the death penalty against the Geneva convention?
commanderpepper
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My parents are from Pakistan and they are in favor of the death penalty. The Taliban have are getting no sympathy in Pakistan.
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Ryouji Gunblade
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Better kill them to be on the safe side? The whole point is that we don't know. Do you want to take that risk? If so, you wouldn't be very humanitarian.
toastyToast
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Too much room for error. I'd understand if they were killed committing terrorist acts but these suspected terrorists are now confirmed terrorists that will die imminently.
Gentleman Jack
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???
You'll find it in the threads about drone strikes on Pakistani soil, and the outrage is over the deaths of civilians and extrajudicial slayings of American citizens. Why are you expecting it in here?
...what? If they were sentenced to death...they would have been sentenced to death already...and even then, you're going to execute people by association? Fucking seriously?
Did you just compared the battlefield to fucking people held in confinement?
That's... exactly that's happening here?
These individuals were already sentenced to death. There was a moratorium on the death penalty in terror cases. After the school attack, the moratorium is being lifted.
From the article:
"the government lifted a moratorium on the death penalty in terror cases"
"Interior ministry has finalised the cases of 500 convicts who have exhausted all the appeals, their mercy petitions have been turned down by the president"
That's... NOT what is happening here?
They didn't just round up 500 random Taliban members to execute because of the Taliban attack on the school, which is what you are implying.
Prisoners, convicted in terrorism cases, given the death penalty, being held in confinement on death row.
For example (also from the article):
"Of the six hanged so far, five were involved in a failed attempt to assassinate then military ruler Pervez Musharraf in 2003, while one was involved in a 2009 attack on army headquarters."
DiscoShark
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Today I learned to read the article instead of drawing my conclusions from a forum title.
Are all of these people murder? I thought there crimes are of varying degree and at least one is a fourteen year old?
There has been trials and judicial safeguards that have proven the pertenence of said 500 militants to the ranks of the Talibans with little shadow of doubt. This is not a random rage fit nor a chechenyan-like retribution. I just hope that no innocent is executed, but It is very hard for me to give a single fuck about these 500 imbeciles.
And as for the mantra and "conventional wisdom" about how violence doesn't solve anything, particulary religious fanatism, I beg to disagree, for history has shown, again and again, how violence, when intelligently and ruthlessly applied, have indeed solved massive, seemingly untractable problems, specially when it come to religious fanatics. It's horrible to witness, but one can hardly deny its effectivity.
And as for the mantra and "conventional wisdom" about how violence doesn't solve anything, particulary religious fanatism, I beg to disagree, for history has shown, again and again, how violence, when intelligently and ruthlessly applied, have indeed solved massive, seemingly untractable problems, specially when it come to religious fanatics. It's horrible to witness, but one can hardly deny its effectivity.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
To all the people saying that this is not the right way, and will lead to more retaliation.
Pakistan's government has been attempting negotiations for multiple years but these fuckers are continuing to bomb, kill and generally be a nuisance as much as they can.
This, at least, sets an example that we won't just sit around and keep taking the abuses.
Any organization or group that openly kills 100+ children needs to be dealt with. No exceptions.
Pakistan's government has been attempting negotiations for multiple years but these fuckers are continuing to bomb, kill and generally be a nuisance as much as they can.
This, at least, sets an example that we won't just sit around and keep taking the abuses.
Any organization or group that openly kills 100+ children needs to be dealt with. No exceptions.
It's not even just innocent people, they could very well all be guilty, but they may not be 500 Taliban militants either if Pakistan is using its terror laws to prosecute regular criminals too.
Then fight them. Declare war on them. Destroy them in open combat. Throw your entire military might against them.
But massacring 500 prisoners is equal to declaring moral bankruptcy. Once you do that, the terrorists have won.
It's really not that black and white.
So slaughter 500 people at your mercy? That won't help with any of the problems you mentioned.
Can't believe people are advocating so many deaths with such obviously flimsy arguments.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's not a flimsy argument, these 500 are all known terrorists, most, if not all, of them are likely killers of multiple people.
Do you think its just better to have these killers around, someone already linked articles about taliban raiding jails and breaking out their compatriots earlier in the thread. Is that better ?
Executing these men is not a solution to the problem.
Do you believe all killing to be the same thing? Regardless of circumstances?
Same goes for rehabilitation.
Lamel
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Do you even know anything about this situation?
They are fighting them in a full out military operation. That's why the taliban attacked the school, as revenge for how many the pak military killed.
Edit: Never mind, no body seems to have actually read the article. It's not just random people they are picking up. Either way I still think it may be too risky, there is still likely some innocent ones in those 500.
Monocle
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Mass human sacrifice isn't exactly the most rational or effective response to a massacre.
Those 500 militants aren't running around murdering people in the streets. They're in custody. Oh, and who wants to bet each and every one of those individuals is personally guilty of atrocities? Like, all 500. Anyone?
Those 500 militants aren't running around murdering people in the streets. They're in custody. Oh, and who wants to bet each and every one of those individuals is personally guilty of atrocities? Like, all 500. Anyone?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
And what would members of the Taliban be doing if not in custody ?
Be productive members of society ?
Be contributing Citizens ?
Help build the community ?
No, they would be running around, murdering people.
These guys are equivalent of death row inmates.
That's why they're in custody.
Hardly the same. Whether the men are imprisoned indefinitely without ever changing their ideology is neither here nor there. At least they're still living. Killing them isn't going to magically make the issue disappear, it will most likely cement the ideology the Taliban have who are not in imprisoned and inspire them to exact even more attacks and revenge attacks. It shouldn't be used in any circumstance. Let's also not forget the wider context here. The Pakistani military along with its allies have been attacking the Pakistani Taliban for years and more aggressively the last few months which has resulted in the deaths of many civilians, including children living in tribal areas of the region. What the Pakistani Taliban did was disgusting and what the jailed militants stand for is equally as abhorrent, but killing these people is not going to help the situation whatsoever. It will in all likelihood have the opposite effect.
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Do you know how flimsy some of the cases are? You mention links in the thread but you managed to skip the articles showing the shoddy state of the prosecutions?
No country has a 100% perfect conviction rate. Even 99% means 5 innocent people dying. What world do you live in?
RustyNails
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The problem is that with such a corrupt country like Pakistan, I am confident that more than half of those prisoners were tortured to a confession. If America can get the judicial process and conviction ass backwards (thanks Serial podcast), what hope is left for Pakistan?
Dragonborn
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Good for them, I don't know why the kept them alive in the first place
Face it Tiger..
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