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[Paganmoon]

How dose ROTR sales compare with respects to Until Dawn, Bloodborne, The Order and Gears of War?

Shameless self-quote from a few pages back, regarding The Order.

The Order went on to sell 368k by June (5 months of sales).

Yepp.

Week 1 RoTR ~42k X360 and Xbox One
Week 1 RoTR ~35k Xbox One only
Week 1 The Order ~39k PS4 only

Week 2 RoTR ~26k X360 and Xbox One
Week 2 RoTR ~ 22k Xbox One only (assuming same 85/15 split as week 1)
Week 2 The Order ~17k PS4 Only.


Rise of the tomb raider sold ~30% more in it's second week than The Order. That's huge!



Also that's only up untill June, should've sold another few thousand since probably at atleast 370k by now.

UD and GeoW both opened at <20k. 35k < 1886 < 45k. Bloodborne around 45k.

None of these games compare to TR though. Gears as an IP perhaps, but that was just a remaster.

Believe Bruno re-calculated the estimated "high" of the order to around 39k a few weeks back when we got AC: Syndicate numbers, and Kyonashi, hinted that it was on the higher end of the estimate. So roughly 39k first week.

And yes, TR, with name recognition, and pretty good scores all around (86 meta), shouldn't just about outdo a brand new IP with a Meta of 63.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Great numbers for Battlefront. Eager to see how the sales will look when Star Wars comes out. I can see a small bump (5,000-10,000 copies) during Christmas week.

Not many people seem to realize this, but the Xbox One is in big trouble in the UK. Nevermind Halo failing in the UK. I think the Tomb Raider performance is really bad news for Microsoft. Barring a miracle in North America, Tomb Raider will end up as the perfect reason for big publishers to avoid Xbox One exclusivity. When publishers look at Tomb Raider's performance, they will see a high scoring AAA title with incredible brand recognition that sold <70,000 units in its second largest market. There's just no other way to put it: when they look at Tomb Raider, they will see a huge flop. I can't imagine any publisher with business sense will enter into an exclusive agreement with Microsoft. If publishers were on the fence about 'jumping in', Tomb Raider tanking will be a good enough reason to not hop over.

The reality is the Xbox One cannot remain competitive in the UK without the extra support of large publishers. Securing the Fifa deal was a fantastic move by Microsoft, but they're going to need more than Fifa to make a comeback. Looking at 2016 and beyond, I just don't see how the Xbox One can close the gap. It really might be over for them in the UK.

Aside from The Division, Dark Souls 3, and Fifa, Microsoft haven't announced or revealed third-party deals for future games. After the disastrous performance of Tomb Raider, I just cannot see publishers like Take2 (GTA VI, possibly Red Dead Redemption 2) or CD Projekt RED (Cyberpunk 2077) aligning their future games with the Xbox One. How will Microsoft survive in the UK if major games like GTA VI, Destiny 2, Kingdom Hearts 3, Infinity 4.0, Final Fantasy 15 etc. all have PlayStation deals?

Xbox can still get marketing deals, who cares? Even the game they market still sell better on PS4(Fallout, The Witcher, Dragon Age). As long as artificial exclusives are not being created it's no big deal. Sony can't market everything nor will they want to.

 

[bombshell]

Bloodborne did > 41,900 < 57,300 I believe so not really that much better. It was just one platform vs two though. This has me thinking if a bunch of PS4 owners are former 360 owners how many bought the 360 version instead of waiting or not buying it at all? That would be a good statistic to know. I'm actually starting to believe that SE fully expected the low sales.

I think you are slightly overreacting Ribman.

Tomb Raider should have a much bigger mainstream appeal than Bloodborne (Souls), but here we are.

 

[TeddyBoy]

It's quite refreshing to see the PAL sales thread get a few posts in it for a change.

Battlefront sold quite well, no real surprise since although GAF hates it's lack of value but it's just a fun game so seeing how much it drops WoW will be very interesting leading to Christmas.

Great numbers for Battlefront. Eager to see how the sales will look when Star Wars comes out. I can see a small bump (5,000-10,000 copies) during Christmas week.

Not many people seem to realize this, but the Xbox One is in big trouble in the UK. Nevermind Halo failing in the UK. I think the Tomb Raider performance is really bad news for Microsoft. Barring a miracle in North America, Tomb Raider will end up as the perfect reason for big publishers to avoid Xbox One exclusivity. When publishers look at Tomb Raider's performance, they will see a high scoring AAA title with incredible brand recognition that sold <70,000 units in its second largest market. There's just no other way to put it: when they look at Tomb Raider, they will see a huge flop. I can't imagine any publisher with business sense will enter into an exclusive agreement with Microsoft. If publishers were on the fence about 'jumping in', Tomb Raider tanking will be a good enough reason to not hop over.

The reality is the Xbox One cannot remain competitive in the UK without the extra support of large publishers. Securing the Fifa deal was a fantastic move by Microsoft, but they're going to need more than Fifa to make a comeback. Looking at 2016 and beyond, I just don't see how the Xbox One can close the gap. It really might be over for them in the UK.

Aside from The Division, Dark Souls 3, and Fifa, Microsoft haven't announced or revealed third-party deals for future games. After the disastrous performance of Tomb Raider, I just cannot see publishers like Take2 (GTA VI, possibly Red Dead Redemption 2) or CD Projekt RED (Cyberpunk 2077) aligning their future games with the Xbox One. How will Microsoft survive in the UK if major games like GTA VI, Destiny 2, Kingdom Hearts 3, Infinity 4.0, Final Fantasy 15 etc. all have PlayStation deals?

I think the writing's been on the wall for a while for Microsoft, they won't get exclusivity deals like Tomb Raider any further but Sony managed to keep getting exclusive DLC all through last generation. We've had the volume splits for sales between XB1 and PS4 and they aren't disastrous on XB1 yet so Microsoft still have something to work with.

 

[lostcauz]

Great numbers for Battlefront. Eager to see how the sales will look when Star Wars comes out. I can see a small bump (5,000-10,000 copies) during Christmas week.

Not many people seem to realize this, but the Xbox One is in big trouble in the UK. Nevermind Halo failing in the UK. I think the Tomb Raider performance is really bad news for Microsoft. Barring a miracle in North America, Tomb Raider will end up as the perfect reason for big publishers to avoid Xbox One exclusivity. When publishers look at Tomb Raider's performance, they will see a high scoring AAA title with incredible brand recognition that sold <70,000 units in its second largest market. There's just no other way to put it: when they look at Tomb Raider, they will see a huge flop. I can't imagine any publisher with business sense will enter into an exclusive agreement with Microsoft. If publishers were on the fence about 'jumping in', Tomb Raider tanking will be a good enough reason to not hop over.

The reality is the Xbox One cannot remain competitive in the UK without the extra support of large publishers. Securing the Fifa deal was a fantastic move by Microsoft, but they're going to need more than Fifa to make a comeback. Looking at 2016 and beyond, I just don't see how the Xbox One can close the gap. It really might be over for them in the UK.

Aside from The Division, Dark Souls 3, and Fifa, Microsoft haven't announced or revealed third-party deals for future games. After the disastrous performance of Tomb Raider, I just cannot see publishers like Take2 (GTA VI, possibly Red Dead Redemption 2) or CD Projekt RED (Cyberpunk 2077) aligning their future games with the Xbox One. How will Microsoft survive in the UK if major games like GTA VI, Destiny 2, Kingdom Hearts 3, Infinity 4.0, Final Fantasy 15 etc. all have PlayStation deals?

FIFA aligned with Xbox and achieved the highest launch of the year. Fallout had marketing with Xbox and had the third biggest launch this year. They obviously sold better on PS4 but you act like siding with MS kills your brand/sales.
MS have stated that they are looking at less tomb raider type partnerships and it was stupid of square Enix to launch on the same day as the third biggest selling title this year and between the second and fourth best selling.

I could've been more on board with you if you said that Halo and other exclusives were in trouble and this is where MS need to wake up and start releasing these games away from the biggest sellers of the year but the amount of Xbox games in the top 40 tells you that the Xbox isn't in trouble and while it won't close the gap, it has a place in the UK market.

 

[Fdkn]

I think the writing's been on the wall for a while for Microsoft, they won't get exclusivity deals like Tomb Raider any further but Sony managed to keep getting exclusive DLC all through last generation. We've had the volume splits for sales between XB1 and PS4 and they aren't disastrous on XB1 yet so Microsoft still have something to work with.

those deals take into account more countries than US/UK.

PS3 userbase grew faster than 360 worldwide. That's not comparable to the X1 situation.

 

[GnawtyDog]

70K? Keep on trucking. By the end of the month it will have done about 100k easily and from there on out be regarded as a flop by all metrics.

That PC version needs to come out around March/April. I am sure the thirst for an "Uncharted-like experience" on PC is as strong as it was in 13'. Should help overall sales.

 

[Bruno MB]

[Week 46, 2007] ASSASSIN'S CREED (UBISOFT) - 156,000 / NEW
[Week 47, 2007] ASSASSIN'S CREED (UBISOFT) - 106,100 / 262,100 (-32%)

[Week 47, 2009] ASSASSIN'S CREED II (UBISOFT) - 175,000 / NEW 

[Week 46, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 207,000 / NEW
[Week 47, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 140,800 / 347,800 (-32%)
[Week 48, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 102,800 / 450,600 (-27%)
[Week 49, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 99,700 / 550,300 (-3%)
[Week 50, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 93,700 / 644,000 (-6%)

[Week 46, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 215,000 / NEW 
[Week 47, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 83,900 / 298,900 (-61%)
[Week 48, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 82,200 / 381,100 (-2%)
[Week 49, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 78,100 / 459,200 (-5%)
[Week 50, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 94,500 / 553,700 (+21%)

[Week 44, 2012] ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT) - 332,000 / NEW 
[Week 45, 2012] ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT) - 89,600 / 421,600 (-73%)

[Week 44, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 128,000 / NEW 
[Week 45, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 47,400 / 175,400 (-63%)
[Week 46, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 29,900 / 205,300 (-37%)
[Week 47, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 66,700 / 272,000 (+123%)
[Week 48, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 79,400 / 351,400 (+19%)

[Week 46, 2014] ASSASSIN'S CREED: UNITY (UBISOFT) - 153,000 / NEW 

[Week 43, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 100,000 / NEW
[Week 44, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 62,000 / 162,000 (-39%)
[Week 45, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 27,900 / 189,900 (-55%)
[Week 46, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 17,000 / 206,900 (-39%)
[Week 47, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 18,200 / 225,700 (+7%)

 

[GnawtyDog]

[Week 46, 2007] ASSASSIN'S CREED (UBISOFT) - 156,000 / NEW
[Week 47, 2007] ASSASSIN'S CREED (UBISOFT) - 106,100 / 262,100 (-32%)

[Week 47, 2009] ASSASSIN'S CREED II (UBISOFT) - 175,000 / NEW 

[Week 46, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 207,000 / NEW
[Week 47, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 140,800 / 347,800 (-32%)
[Week 48, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 102,800 / 450,600 (-27%)
[Week 49, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 99,700 / 550,300 (-3%)
[Week 50, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 93,700 / 644,000 (-6%)

[Week 46, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 215,000 / NEW 
[Week 47, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 83,900 / 298,900 (-61%)
[Week 48, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 82,200 / 381,100 (-2%)
[Week 49, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 78,100 / 459,200 (-5%)
[Week 50, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 94,500 / 553,700 (+21%)

[Week 44, 2012] ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT) - 332,000 / NEW 
[Week 45, 2012] ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT) - 89,600 / 421,600 (-73%)

[Week 44, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 128,000 / NEW 
[Week 45, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 47,400 / 175,400 (-63%)
[Week 46, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 29,900 / 205,300 (-37%)
[Week 47, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 66,700 / 272,000 (+123%)
[Week 48, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 79,400 / 351,400 (+19%)

[Week 46, 2014] ASSASSIN'S CREED: UNITY (UBISOFT) - 153,000 / NEW 

[Week 43, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 100,000 / NEW
[Week 44, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 62,000 / 162,000 (-39%)
[Week 45, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 27,900 / 189,900 (-55%)
[Week 46, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 17,000 / 206,900 (-39%)
[Week 47, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 18,200 / 225,700 (+7%)

Wasn't Ubisoft alluding to decent legs when they addressed sales? It dropped from a cliff W3 on out.... Hec comparatively worse than many of the previous entries. Not to mention it's starting point isn't that great.

 

[Jigorath]

AC's days of being a mega franchise are over.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Nah all it'd take would be another AC2

 

[viHuGi]

No worries, we all know digital is 90% for Halo 5.

"On my friends list is like 95%".

 

[viHuGi]

AC's days of being a mega franchise are over.

Thank God, such a mediocre franchise i Don't know how it got so big.

2 was great though.

 

[Zekra Dezivad]

Great numbers for Battlefront. Eager to see how the sales will look when Star Wars comes out. I can see a small bump (5,000-10,000 copies) during Christmas week.

Not many people seem to realize this, but the Xbox One is in big trouble in the UK. Nevermind Halo failing in the UK. I think the Tomb Raider performance is really bad news for Microsoft. Barring a miracle in North America, Tomb Raider will end up as the perfect reason for big publishers to avoid Xbox One exclusivity. When publishers look at Tomb Raider's performance, they will see a high scoring AAA title with incredible brand recognition that sold <70,000 units in its second largest market. There's just no other way to put it: when they look at Tomb Raider, they will see a huge flop. I can't imagine any publisher with business sense will enter into an exclusive agreement with Microsoft. If publishers were on the fence about 'jumping in', Tomb Raider tanking will be a good enough reason to not hop over.

The reality is the Xbox One cannot remain competitive in the UK without the extra support of large publishers. Securing the Fifa deal was a fantastic move by Microsoft, but they're going to need more than Fifa to make a comeback. Looking at 2016 and beyond, I just don't see how the Xbox One can close the gap. It really might be over for them in the UK.

Aside from The Division, Dark Souls 3, and Fifa, Microsoft haven't announced or revealed third-party deals for future games. After the disastrous performance of Tomb Raider, I just cannot see publishers like Take2 (GTA VI, possibly Red Dead Redemption 2) or CD Projekt RED (Cyberpunk 2077) aligning their future games with the Xbox One. How will Microsoft survive in the UK if major games like GTA VI, Destiny 2, Kingdom Hearts 3, Infinity 4.0, Final Fantasy 15 etc. all have PlayStation deals?

GTAV had a marketing deal with Sony with bundles and promotion on both PS3 (2013) and PS4 (2014). With the volume of PS4 sales and the success of the GTAV Remaster I'm sure that the marketing of the next GTA game will be easily in Sony's hands.
With Cod and Destiny on PS for the next years I think thay should try to secure a Battlefield 5 deal, but after Hardline and Battlefront I suppose that EA has chosen Sony too.
Marketing of Titanfall 2, even if multiplatform, should be an Xbox affair, though.

 

[allan-bh]

Indeed it has ended,it's not like it's outpacing the previous 2 games already at this rate

Is beating by small margin the worst selling title since CoD became a monster and Ghosts that received next gen versions later.

Black Ops III is far from the best days of the series.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

[Week 46, 2007] ASSASSIN'S CREED (UBISOFT) - 156,000 / NEW
[Week 47, 2007] ASSASSIN'S CREED (UBISOFT) - 106,100 / 262,100 (-32%)

[Week 47, 2009] ASSASSIN'S CREED II (UBISOFT) - 175,000 / NEW 

[Week 46, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 207,000 / NEW
[Week 47, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 140,800 / 347,800 (-32%)
[Week 48, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 102,800 / 450,600 (-27%)
[Week 49, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 99,700 / 550,300 (-3%)
[Week 50, 2010] ASSASSIN'S CREED: BROTHERHOOD (UBISOFT) - 93,700 / 644,000 (-6%)

[Week 46, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 215,000 / NEW 
[Week 47, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 83,900 / 298,900 (-61%)
[Week 48, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 82,200 / 381,100 (-2%)
[Week 49, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 78,100 / 459,200 (-5%)
[Week 50, 2011] ASSASSIN'S CREED: REVELATIONS (UBISOFT) - 94,500 / 553,700 (+21%)

[Week 44, 2012] ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT) - 332,000 / NEW 
[Week 45, 2012] ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT) - 89,600 / 421,600 (-73%)

[Week 44, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 128,000 / NEW 
[Week 45, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 47,400 / 175,400 (-63%)
[Week 46, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 29,900 / 205,300 (-37%)
[Week 47, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 66,700 / 272,000 (+123%)
[Week 48, 2013] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) - 79,400 / 351,400 (+19%)

[Week 46, 2014] ASSASSIN'S CREED: UNITY (UBISOFT) - 153,000 / NEW 

[Week 43, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 100,000 / NEW
[Week 44, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 62,000 / 162,000 (-39%)
[Week 45, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 27,900 / 189,900 (-55%)
[Week 46, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 17,000 / 206,900 (-39%)
[Week 47, 2015] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (UBISOFT) - 18,200 / 225,700 (+7%)

The RED RING will save Ubisoft.

 

[Fady K]

Is beating by small margin the worst selling title since CoD became a monster and Ghosts that received next gen versions later.

Black Ops III is far from the best days of the series.

Don't get me wrong it's not among the highs of the series' sales but it's doing very well for itself against the last two juggernauts. I think ghosts is unique in the sense that it had two "launches"

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Nah all it'd take would be another AC2

How many tries have they had to duplicate that so far?

 

[Bruno MB]

UK all time top 10 first week sales:

(100%)

[Week 38, 2013] GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2) - 2,250,000 / NEW
[Week 45, 2010] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) - 2,000,000 / NEW
[Week 45, 2011] CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 3 (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) - 1,970,000 / NEW
[Week 46, 2009] CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 2 (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) - 1,780,000 / NEW
[Week 46, 2012] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) - 1,540,000 / NEW
[Week 39, 2012] FIFA 13 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) - 1,233,000 / NEW
[Week 39, 2014] FIFA 15 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) - 1,063,000 / NEW
[Week 39, 2015] FIFA 16 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) - 988,000 / NEW
[Week 39, 2011] FIFA 12 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) - 970,000 / NEW
[Week 39, 2013] FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) - 937,000 / NEW

[Week 18, 2008] GRAND THEFT AUTO IV (TAKE 2) - 926,000 / NEW

Due to rounding error Grand Theft Auto IV could actually be slightly over Fifa 14.

&#8216;FIFA 13&#8217; accounted for an astonishing 71% of all units and 80% of all entertainment software revenue this week

[Week 39, 2012] ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE SALES - 1,737,000 (100%)

FIFA 13 - 1,233,270

FIFA 14 Top Of The League

In terms of the FIFA series the current version is down on last year&#8217;s record-breaker &#8216;FIFA 13&#8217; by around 24% in volume.

FIFA 14 - 937,286

or

&#8216;FIFA 15&#8217; accounts for 80% of all entertainment software units this week

[Week 39, 2014] ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE SALES - 1,328,359 (100%)

FIFA 15 - 1,062,687

Consequently, GfK Chart-Track total UK market estimates are that &#8216;FIFA 15&#8217; is +15% units / +23% revenue over &#8216;FIFA 14&#8217; (weeks 39 compared)

FIFA 14 - 924,076

 

[Acquiescence]

AC's days of being a mega franchise are over.

We can only hope. Now we might not have to endure regurgitated trailers at every single conference of the console maker that Ubisoft partners up next year for the next entry. Give that space to an interesting indie game or something.

 

[Steiner_Zi]

We can only hope. Now we might not have to endure regurgitated trailers at every single conference of the console maker that Ubisoft partners up next year for the next entry. Give that space to an interesting indie game or something.

That will never happen and you know it. AC will just be replaced with another mega franchise.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

How many tries have they had to duplicate that so far?

They never had incentive to.

tell that to NMS

pretty sure they shared a conference this E3

 

[Fdkn]

That will never happen and you know it. AC will just be replaced with another mega franchise.

tell that to NMS

pretty sure they shared a conference this E3

The point is that an indie game could take a big space on a conference as it has already happenned.

 

[Jarod McChicken]

Great numbers for Battlefront. Eager to see how the sales will look when Star Wars comes out. I can see a small bump (5,000-10,000 copies) during Christmas week.

Not many people seem to realize this, but the Xbox One is in big trouble in the UK. Nevermind Halo failing in the UK. I think the Tomb Raider performance is really bad news for Microsoft. Barring a miracle in North America, Tomb Raider will end up as the perfect reason for big publishers to avoid Xbox One exclusivity. When publishers look at Tomb Raider's performance, they will see a high scoring AAA title with incredible brand recognition that sold <70,000 units in its second largest market. There's just no other way to put it: when they look at Tomb Raider, they will see a huge flop. I can't imagine any publisher with business sense will enter into an exclusive agreement with Microsoft. If publishers were on the fence about 'jumping in', Tomb Raider tanking will be a good enough reason to not hop over.

The reality is the Xbox One cannot remain competitive in the UK without the extra support of large publishers. Securing the Fifa deal was a fantastic move by Microsoft, but they're going to need more than Fifa to make a comeback. Looking at 2016 and beyond, I just don't see how the Xbox One can close the gap. It really might be over for them in the UK.

Aside from The Division, Dark Souls 3, and Fifa, Microsoft haven't announced or revealed third-party deals for future games. After the disastrous performance of Tomb Raider, I just cannot see publishers like Take2 (GTA VI, possibly Red Dead Redemption 2) or CD Projekt RED (Cyberpunk 2077) aligning their future games with the Xbox One. How will Microsoft survive in the UK if major games like GTA VI, Destiny 2, Kingdom Hearts 3, Infinity 4.0, Final Fantasy 15 etc. all have PlayStation deals?

It's still far away, but you can add Mass Effect Andromeda.

Not sure there is any deal with Dark Souls III, though. Having a trailer in a conference does not equal a marketing deal.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Thanks to MS and Squenix for making PS4 gamers stupid because maybe we won't care for ROTR a year later.

A great game is a great game, rise of the tomb raider is just that

 

[Stanng243]

A great game is a great game, rise of the tomb raider is just that

Great game or not, I'm not paying full price a year later for the core game alone. Unless it comes with all the dlc and/or a reduced price, I'm not buying it right away.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

I wonder how much of a boost got if MK8 and Splatoon just popped up that high?
Probably 4k?

 

[Ryng_tolu]

I wonder how much of a boost got if MK8 and Splatoon just popped up that high?
Probably 4k?

Black Ops III is at 136,500 this week. First week, 3% of total sales was from PS3.
If PS3 sales are still 3%, this mean BO III is at 4,095 unit... but like i said, usually the old gen drop is lower than the current gen drop...
So, if we say PS3 is only 4% of total sales, this could mean 5,460 unit for BO III on PS3, or 6,825 unit if they are 5%.

Mario Kart is 2 position under this. I dunno, i say more like 5k or so.

 

[SolidSnakex]

A great game is a great game, rise of the tomb raider is just that

It's going to release around this time next year. Meaning that there's a high chance that it's going to be released around Gran Turismo Sport, Horizon, FFXV and other unannounced titles as well as yearly stuff like CoD and AC. All of which are going to have huge marketing campaigns and will receive a lot of media coverage. It's unlikely that TR will receive a big marketing push next year and the media has already covered it with the Xbox One release.

The only real chance that it has of doing solid numbers on the PS4 is if Square can release it along with the PC version simultaneously during an earlier part of the year when there aren't many releases. That way they would have reason to market it and the press would likely give it coverage because there wouldn't be anything else to really cover around that time.

 

[BokehKing]

Black Ops III is far from the best days of the series.

sure, but its better than Ghosts, Advanced Warfare and MW3

No one expected it to have the impact Black Op's 1 and 2 had
but it's still return to form

 

[Kill3r7]

sure, but its better than Ghosts, Advanced Warfare and MW3

No one expected it to have the impact Black Op's 1 and 2 had
but it's still return to form

I think you are mistaken about MW3.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (90%)
First week - 1,970,000
Second week (-87%) - 256,100
Third week (-41%) - 151,040
First three weeks - 2,377,140

 

[digoutyoursoul]

It's going to release around this time next year. Meaning that there's a high chance that it's going to be released around Gran Turismo Sport, Horizon, FFXV and other unannounced titles as well as yearly stuff like CoD and AC. All of which are going to have huge marketing campaigns and will receive a lot of media coverage. It's unlikely that TR will receive a big marketing push next year and the media has already covered it with the Xbox One release.

The only real chance that it has of doing solid numbers on the PS4 is if Square can release it along with the PC version simultaneously during an earlier part of the year when there aren't many releases. That way they would have reason to market it and the press would likely give it coverage because there wouldn't be anything else to really cover around that time.

It's not going to release along side PC as it stands so what's the alternative ? Get it for Xbox? It's a great game as I've said and the realise period situation is similar for it this year too, alongside other high profile titles.

 

[SolidSnakex]

It's not going to release along side PC as it stands so what's the alternative ? Get it for Xbox? It's a great game as I've said and the realise period situation is similar for it this year too, alongside other high profile titles.

There is no alternative because people aren't going to buy another console for the game. Late ports rarely perform well. And the only late ports that I can think of that did perform well were games in Japan (Tales of Vesperia and Graces).

 

[digoutyoursoul]

There is no alternative because people aren't going to buy another console for the game. Late ports rarely perform well. And the only late ports that I can think of that did perform well were games in Japan (Tales of Vesperia and Graces).

Well that's disappointing

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Black Ops III is at 136,500 this week. First week, 3% of total sales was from PS3.
If PS3 sales are still 3%, this mean BO III is at 4,095 unit... but like i said, usually the old gen drop is lower than the current gen drop...
So, if we say PS3 is only 4% of total sales, this could mean 5,460 unit for BO III on PS3, or 6,825 unit if they are 5%.

Mario Kart is 2 position under this. I dunno, i say more like 5k or so.

EDIT: Mario Kart 8 is over Battlefront for PC which is 2% of sales, and this mean Mario Kart 8 is > 6,500 this week... wow, that's amazing!

 

[Stanng243]

Well that's disappointing

SE made their bed. They killed their sales. Theu can't expect someone to buy an xbone for this one game.

 

[BKK]

EDIT: Mario Kart 8 is over Battlefront for PC which is 2% of sales, and this mean Mario Kart 8 is > 6,500 this week... wow, that's amazing!

2% is rounded, and 0.5% rounding has a significant affect on such low splits (+/- 25% in this case).

 

[Ryng_tolu]

2% is rounded, and 0.5% rounding has a significant affect on such low splits (+/- 25% in this case).

Lol i know, but with this logic all numbers are with a margin of error, i use the estimate which we have.

In that case, BF for PC is around 6,500, can be bigger or lower like all others games.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Well that's disappointing

I'm not buying it and I don't care how good it is. My mind is made up.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

A great game is a great game, rise of the tomb raider is just that

Too bad even Xbone fans seem don't care about it

 

[Primethius]

Tomb Raider just needed better timing, especially on the PS4. Even people like me who didn't really like the reboot would probably pick it up at a good time period.

But if I have to choose between it and UC4, or UC4 SP DLC or the fall line-up next year? It really doesn't matter to me how good it is at that point.

 

[RespectThySole]

Too bad even Xbone fans seem don't care about it

What did you expect? It was surrounded by 4 bigger releases. (Halo, CoD, Fallout, Star Wars) It was never going to succeed in a position like that unless Microsoft made it the Unity bundle equivalent for this year.

 

[Y2Kev]

It's also an Uncharted-alike that didn't release to the primary fans of Uncharted. I get why MS wanted it but their least successful franchises have always been the me too entries whereas their genre kings are all original concepts. They should have moved off that strategy a long time ago imo. I think they kinda did actually. The 360 gen was just hit after hit. MS was a machine.

edit: Other than alan wake.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

I think Tomb Rider will sell fine this Black Friday.
We will know next week.

 

[SolidSnakex]

What has to be frustrating for CD is that it appears that they in part agreed to the timed exclusivity because at the time it was targeted to go head to head with Uncharted 4 at the end of this year. But with U4 being delayed that would've meant that without the exclusivity they would've had a free run at Uncharted's market on the PS4.

 

[Beautiful Ninja]

I think Tomb Rider will sell fine this Black Friday.
We will know next week.

Is Tomb Raider even going to be on sale for Black Friday? I think it could easily get lost in the older games getting significant price cuts and the new games that are already kicking their booty in sales.

You've got Halo 5, BLOPS III, Fallout 4 and Battlefront all but certain to sell more than Tomb Raider. It also seems likely that the sports games will get a big bump as they usually do this year, so Madden/FIFA/NBA. Then you got stuff like Guitar Hero Live that is getting a huge price cut, games like Bloodborne that are 19.99 for Black Friday, I just don't see how Tomb Raider breaks through with so many other good games with better mindshare are going to be available and cheaper.

 

[Y2Kev]

I can't find it on sale ANYWHERE! I want to buy it from Best Buy with GCU for like $22

 

[Purest 78]

I'm not buying it and I don't care how good it is. My mind is made up.

I might rent it but that's not even a certainty. I definitely won't be buying it though.

 

[chromatic9]

I looked back at Alan Wake on 360 in 2010, with a 4 year install base and it did 36k, perhaps Bruno can correct me. I remember buying the collectors edition on 360 only a few weeks later for less than half price. I couldn't believe the price drop.

 

[Shenmue]

Well I like to look at the bright side, so even if the TR IP is hurt really badly after this misstep by S-E, or worse it dies, that could mean S-E will put more focus on Deus Ex or even maybe revisit the Legacy of Kain games and try to prop those up as their western pillars. There's also Thief or Hitman too.