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Paleo Diet 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman
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Is love step four out of three?
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Step five is signing a 1,000,000 year contract because the first man who created paleo did so 1,000,000 BC.
sounds like you've got a carb/sugar addiction. try to avoid changing your diet so much at one time and just work your way into it.
Low fat low carb, I'm not surprised you felt like crap.
when step 3 is successfully done. love paleo is usually the after effect.
I'm always confused by the rationale behind this diet. Broccoli for instance. If people adapted to certain foods, how is an Asian or african person adapted to eat a vegetable they did not encounter until the 20th century? Hell, it didn't even get to England until the 18th century. Or corn.
I can understand that some types of foods may not be ideal for the average digestive system, but this diet seems to go much further than that.
I can understand that some types of foods may not be ideal for the average digestive system, but this diet seems to go much further than that.
corn is a grain so it is banned by default. though I do understand yer concerns. Not sure. most veggies just seem to click for most human bodies.
ChanDangle
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Being asian doesn't help, I don't know if I could give up rice and noodles.
I believe that "Paleo" works because it's essentially a low-carb diet. Maybe that's because pre-agricultural humans generally didn't consume many carbs (outside of fiber), but regardless any diet that will induce ketosis will help to lose weight.
Personally, I lost 50 pounds on a low carb diet that I would describe as being similar to paleo except that I would make use of certain high-fiber low-carb processed products such as low-carb tortillas (wraps are awesome as a sandwich replacement, also fajitas and such are great).
Personally, I lost 50 pounds on a low carb diet that I would describe as being similar to paleo except that I would make use of certain high-fiber low-carb processed products such as low-carb tortillas (wraps are awesome as a sandwich replacement, also fajitas and such are great).
Is it considered a grain? Okay, so why if people were eating wild corn and domesticating it during the end of the Palaeolithic is it not on the diet? I get a rationale that says it is not ideal due to the starches or something, but labelling this diet as paleo is just marketing. It has no relevance to the actual diet.
corn has an excessive high amount of fructose and phytic acid and for that reason it is banned. beans is a veggie but part of legumes family and is banned for that as well.
paleo studies what foods are beneficial and what are not and as a result of such studies corn is banned.
Yes, but they (well, maize was if you lived in the americas) are part of a real paleolithic persons diet is what I am saying.
Eaten as a vegetable it's probably fine. It can be consumed without processing, unlike wheat or legume based products.
im sorry but I tend to make edits soon after i post... please read my edit.
really surprised op forgot to add the science of paleo.
From Loren Cordain himself
Paleo does use science to back it up. Cordain and Wolf know what they speak.
Too bad many will not bother to read their stuff. oh well. not surprised. who'd bother going through every pdf?
Fake edit: OP. Highly recommend to add my link to ur resources. Published research should be viewed for sceptics willing to read.
Re: Your edit, yeah, that's fine, but the whole point of Paleo is that it is Palaeolithic, except for stuff that is still bad? It should really be called something else instead of marketing itself under false pretences. If you are removing food that was eaten in the Palaeolithic period it is a self defeating exercise and you should call it something else. Maybe I'm just being too literal, it just bugs me.
Anticitizen One
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But how do I know what kind of meat im buying? Does it say on the label or are there specialty stores that sell the meats that haven't been pumped full of antibiotics and fed garbage?
What's wrong with being "shot full of antibiotics"?
EDIT: Incidentally, the book "Why We Get Sick (The New Science of Darwinian Medicine)" has a few chapters focusing on diet, and is a great book all throughout - I highly recommend it.
For the quality of the meat, there is no problem, but it is a bad practise that needs to stop in terms of the evolution of bacterial infections.
Sensible, but has no place in suggestion a "good" diet, since that is on what you may call purely "moral" grounds (though I do fully believe in that cause).
Yep.
Extremely similar to the Dunkan diet. Also, both are damn right: we humans did not started to eat grains and milk products until very late in our evolution process. I tried it and losted weight while mantaining all my blood indicators (cholesterol, sugar, iron, etc) at healthy levels *thumbs up OP*
Hear, hear. That being said, the whole notion of "organic food" seems terrfying to me. I mean, all my food is organic by default, what the hell. Living in Spain helps quite a bit with that, though.
Hear, hear. That being said, the whole notion of "organic food" seems terrfying to me. I mean, all my food is organic by default, what the hell. Living in Spain helps quite a bit with that, though.
Danne-Danger
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Huh? Black beans, green lentils, green peas? Why would you do such a silly thing?
Vermillion
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Life expectancy of the cave man?
ClassyPenguin
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Because it's based on pseudoscience, like most fad diets.
Short because western medicine wasn't around and angry bears roamed in abundance. Your point?
ClassyPenguin
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Food availability has never been as easy until now. They had no choice. We do.
Vermillion
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And why didn't they eat grains, lentils or dairy?
EDIT: Or we could cut to the point like ClassyPenguin.
Danne-Danger
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But I want a caveman to answer it!
Seems to me like it's just about making a simple package that you can sell to a wide market, as with all fad diets. Beans are great, peanuts are great if you're going to eat nuts anyway, brown rice is excellent, green lentils might be the healthiest thing you can send through your system.
Excluding all that is nice when you want to appeal to the modern caveman, but if you stop and think about it, you're doing yourself a disservice by excluding healthy foods that could easily be a benefit to you, in any diet, while building up aversion towards these healthy foods for silly reasons.
It's interesting to see how people get so passionate about diets but seem unable to think outside the box that's provided for them. Yeah some stuff in paleo is great, but its overly simplified and could be improved and/or expanded if you did a bit of research of your own.
But maybe legumes just flat out suck.
NintendoGal
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Personally I'd suggest keto for you then. I've seen many posts on bodybuilding forums of folks doing keto and maintaining.
This is the correct answer.
UnblessedSoul
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Really tried of seeing fad diets pop up, none of them work long term, if you want to lose weight eat a healthy balanced diet and add exercise it's that easy, stop trying to look for an easy way out there isn't one
SteveMeister
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The paleo/primal restrictions on different foods really come down to one thing: inflammation.
Refined carbs -- sugar, high fructose corn syrup, white flour, white rice, etc cause inflammation. So do proteins humans aren't all that well adapted to, such as gluten (grains) and lectin (raw beans & legumes).
In addition, many types of fats cause inflammation: the unsaturated fats (polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, hydrogenated, trans-fats) are unstable and don't have a long shelf life before they become rancid. In addition, their ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids are too high. To avoid inflammation you want fresher fats and to have a daily 6:3 ratio as close to 1:1 as possible. Most Americans eat closer to 6:1 omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids. This is why fish oil tablets, high in omega 3s, are a recommended supplement. But you can go a long way to improving the ratio yourself by avoiding the bad fats. In general, don't use any vegetable oils at all unless it's either olive oil, coconut oil or avocado oil, and then opt for "extra virgin". This simply means the oil is less-processed. In addition, consume saturated fats from animals, such as butter, ghee, lard, and meat fat & skin. The grass-fed debate is actually about the same issue. Pasture raise cows and chickens eat the food that's natural for them. Cows are supposed to eat grass, chickens are supposed to eat primarily bugs & larvae. We feed them grain because it fattens the cows up and is cheaper & easier to feed mass-produced chickens a grain mix. But these diets do alter the meat & eggs, tipping the omega 6 to 3 balance in the wrong direction. So the fat in a grass-fed beef steak has a better (lower) 6 to 3 ratio than a steak from a cow that ate primarily grain.
Why is inflammation so bad? It is believed that inflammation is the root cause of many illnesses, and a driving force of the aging process. It can also compromise your immune system.
From my standpoint, I try to keep my omega 6 to 3 ratio low primarily by avoiding vegetable oils and supplementing with high omega 3 tablets. I also only eat free range eggs. I sometimes eat grass fed beef, but it doesn't taste as good so I'm not terribly picky about that.
Now as far as weight loss goes, primal/paleo works mostly because of the reduction in carbs. This is also why Atkins worked, although there was no focus on healthy vs unhealthy fats in Atkins, and Atkins is a truly ketogenic diet (less than 50g carbs on average per day) whereas paleo/primal is not (average between 50-100g carbs per day for weight loss, 100-150g per day for maintenance). Paleo/primal is also much easier to maintain than Atkins.
It certainly worked for me. I do let a few grains sneak in now and then, as well as cheat occasionally with a dessert. I am not lactose intolerant so I eat dairy. Cheese, whole milk (skim is basically sugar water), and Greek yogurt, which is a staple for me.
I like paleo/primal. There's a lot that makes sense about it -- you really can't go wrong focusing on whole, healthy foods. I'm not a 100% adherent to it as I said. But it does work.
Refined carbs -- sugar, high fructose corn syrup, white flour, white rice, etc cause inflammation. So do proteins humans aren't all that well adapted to, such as gluten (grains) and lectin (raw beans & legumes).
In addition, many types of fats cause inflammation: the unsaturated fats (polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, hydrogenated, trans-fats) are unstable and don't have a long shelf life before they become rancid. In addition, their ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids are too high. To avoid inflammation you want fresher fats and to have a daily 6:3 ratio as close to 1:1 as possible. Most Americans eat closer to 6:1 omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids. This is why fish oil tablets, high in omega 3s, are a recommended supplement. But you can go a long way to improving the ratio yourself by avoiding the bad fats. In general, don't use any vegetable oils at all unless it's either olive oil, coconut oil or avocado oil, and then opt for "extra virgin". This simply means the oil is less-processed. In addition, consume saturated fats from animals, such as butter, ghee, lard, and meat fat & skin. The grass-fed debate is actually about the same issue. Pasture raise cows and chickens eat the food that's natural for them. Cows are supposed to eat grass, chickens are supposed to eat primarily bugs & larvae. We feed them grain because it fattens the cows up and is cheaper & easier to feed mass-produced chickens a grain mix. But these diets do alter the meat & eggs, tipping the omega 6 to 3 balance in the wrong direction. So the fat in a grass-fed beef steak has a better (lower) 6 to 3 ratio than a steak from a cow that ate primarily grain.
Why is inflammation so bad? It is believed that inflammation is the root cause of many illnesses, and a driving force of the aging process. It can also compromise your immune system.
From my standpoint, I try to keep my omega 6 to 3 ratio low primarily by avoiding vegetable oils and supplementing with high omega 3 tablets. I also only eat free range eggs. I sometimes eat grass fed beef, but it doesn't taste as good so I'm not terribly picky about that.
Now as far as weight loss goes, primal/paleo works mostly because of the reduction in carbs. This is also why Atkins worked, although there was no focus on healthy vs unhealthy fats in Atkins, and Atkins is a truly ketogenic diet (less than 50g carbs on average per day) whereas paleo/primal is not (average between 50-100g carbs per day for weight loss, 100-150g per day for maintenance). Paleo/primal is also much easier to maintain than Atkins.
It certainly worked for me. I do let a few grains sneak in now and then, as well as cheat occasionally with a dessert. I am not lactose intolerant so I eat dairy. Cheese, whole milk (skim is basically sugar water), and Greek yogurt, which is a staple for me.
I like paleo/primal. There's a lot that makes sense about it -- you really can't go wrong focusing on whole, healthy foods. I'm not a 100% adherent to it as I said. But it does work.
I don't want to maintain at this point, I want to get stronger. I did try Keto for 2 months when I wanted to lose weight last year and didn't drop a single pound.
It's too bad this thread is just turning into both sides arguing. I was hoping for some high protein recipes to be posted.
Like the hat?
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I'd never do this drastic of a diet but I really do want to cut down on the amount of carbs I eat. Got some good ideas on how to do so from this thread, so thanks, op! This seems a bit too meat focused for me, seeing as I also want to cut down on my meat and animal fats.
They don't work long term because people don't understand the concept of changing your diet permanently. Pick a diet that fits into your lifestyle and stick with it.
ClassyPenguin
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lol wut.
I should update the OP with a section on this as it's fairly common to have the adjustment period you describe. Low carb flu is one term for it:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/low-carb-flu/#axzz2H2cyhzbE
Paleo allows sweet potatoes as one example. Actually cauliflower "rice" isnt half bad. That said if you are active and athletic (which I highly recommend regardless of diet) I personally think some white rice, wild rice and potatoes are just fine in moderation.
Paleo 102! GMO's, grass fed, FODMAPs, free range, organic, local sourced... all of these are the fine details in my opinion. For someone already into it who wants to go to the next level.
I wanted this OP to be as simple as I could make it. That said, I'm looking for good grass fed beef and free range eggs that are local to me so I can see if I notice any difference.
Not forgetting of course that lentils were part of the paleolithic diet 12 thousnd years ago.
Yeah, this too. Eat fresh food, reduce (not remove) over all energy intake from carbs and sugars, maximise portein and vegetables and you will be well on your way.
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NinjaFridge
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Start cutting off limbs.
SteveMeister
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Yeah I corrected that.
Uno Venova
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I didn't exactly do this diet, but I did a low carb with less restrictions than this, I lost a good amount of weight but ended up getting problems going to the bathroom, doctor said high protein diets can be too binding.
entremet
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Starchy tubers.
Danne-Danger
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Ah, but of course.
I also just now saw the quote about raw kidney beans killing rats left and right. I guess it's a good reason to exclude items from your diet if you have to prepare the food to make it consumable and extremely healthy.
entremet
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What does a balanced diet even mean?
For all you guys who poo poo on diets, you guys are very vague on providing alternatives. It's these kind of generalities that make if hard for trying to lose weight to find good information.
Doctors have been telling patients for years to eat a balanced diet, yet obesity continues to rise.