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Paradox Grand Strategy - Thread of Fighting WW2 as Bithynia

Does anybody know what the fuck is going on with my Morale in Ottoman game? I westernized about a decade ago, have western units, and they have 3.15 morale at max maintenance. This wouldn't bother me except that when I go into battle, the game insists that my maximum morale is more than 5.0. Normally this happens with low army maint, but I've triple checked that this is not the issue.

Is this a bug, or have I missed something?
 

Walshicus

Member
Does anybody know what the fuck is going on with my Morale in Ottoman game? I westernized about a decade ago, have western units, and they have 3.15 morale at max maintenance. This wouldn't bother me except that when I go into battle, the game insists that my maximum morale is more than 5.0. Normally this happens with low army maint, but I've triple checked that this is not the issue.

Is this a bug, or have I missed something?

Doesn't the game scale both side's morale to whichever is highest? So if your enemy has a max morale of 5 then your max will appear that way. If your max morale is 4 and your enemy's is 3 then their max will appear as 4.
 
Yeah I never noticed before but it seems you're right. They have 98 army tradition (!!!!!!!!), 100 prestige and full defensive ideas. I have offensive ideas, 4 army tradition and 20 prestige. Welp.
 

ZZMitch

Member
How did it look? I hope I can get into HOI3. I love the WW2 setting but HOI2 was just a little too clunky for me to get into as much as EU3 or CK2.
 
CK2 question- Does anyone have any suggestions on how to handle England when playing as Wales? I worked my way up from a lowly Count to King of Wales, but the King of England has dejure claims on some of my counties, and he can overwhelm me with troops. I managed to stop him one time, but it nearly broke me hiring mercenaries.

I started expanding into Ireland instead, but the King of England is crafty, and he likes to initiate his next war when my troops are away on my next Irish conquest. I would really like to try for the Empire of Brittania, but ugh, this is brutal!
 

ZZMitch

Member
CK2 question- Does anyone have any suggestions on how to handle England when playing as Wales? I worked my way up from a lowly Count to King of Wales, but the King of England has dejure claims on some of my counties, and he can overwhelm me with troops. I managed to stop him one time, but it nearly broke me hiring mercenaries.

I started expanding into Ireland instead, but the King of England is crafty, and he likes to initiate his next war when my troops are away on my next Irish conquest. I would really like to try for the Empire of Brittania, but ugh, this is brutal!

This is about where my Wales game went off the rails as well (this was pretty soon after release of the base game but similar situation). You could maybe try to get the Norse to help you fend of England or something. I didnt have that option when i played Wales :p
 

Son1x

Member
So I have this weird situation.
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My son used to be the heir to both my kingdoms, but after holy waring and making a vassal merchant republic in Galicia, he suddenly became the heir to the capital city of the republic. Now my daugher is suddenly the heir to both kingdoms.


Normally I wouldn't mind this since both my daughters are matrillinearly married, but I just got the sayyid trait running in my dynasty.
 
This is about where my Wales game went off the rails as well (this was pretty soon after release of the base game but similar situation). You could maybe try to get the Norse to help you fend of England or something. I didnt have that option when i played Wales :p
That's a good idea! I have no alliances with Norway at the moment, but it might be worth pursuing. However, I'm no longer the King of Wales, since my brother decided to revolt at the same time the King of England attacked, and I didn't have the troops to fight them both off. I'm learning the hard way not to give counties to close family members...
 
There's a gamesindustry.biz article up about Paradox's future plans for growth, especially on consoles.

PC is very much Paradox's home turf. Magicka, the series which announced the Paradox deal during Sony's presser is the company's biggest seller, touching on three million units. It's also by far the most suitable game in the publisher's stable for console play, so I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that Wester's company has more in the works.

"If somebody else wants to release say, Magicka 2 on their console as well though, maybe Xbox One, we'd be happy to do that, if Microsoft were interested."

"We have a handful of games that we're making for PS4. Most, we're first and foremost making for PC, because that's still our original platform, so we're more adopting them to the PS4, but some of those concepts were developed with the idea of a gamepad as the primary input device, so I guess you could say they were developed primarily as console games.

"At the moment we have an exclusive with Sony for all the games we're making, so they'll all be PC and PS4, although PC includes Linux and Mac, too. So that's the plan." Wester spreads his palms casually with a grin. "If somebody else wants to release say, Magicka 2 on their console as well though, maybe Xbox One, we'd be happy to do that, if Microsoft were interested."
The announcement in Sony's conference might have been about Magicka 2, but there's also the ongoing deal. I see if Wester will be drawn on what else the company has in store for the platform, but he's understandably cagey.

"We're looking at Runemaster, what we can do with that. Nothing's finalised yet, but we're looking at it. It works with a gamepad, too, so we should be able to do it. The engine isn't optimised for the PS4, but it's an idea. We actually have another co-op game that I can't talk about yet - that's being announced later this year - which is being made by a really respected developer with a great track record. That should have online and couch co-op too. It's a new IP that's basically made for the console experience."

I hadn't realized Paradox had become quite this big.

"When I tell people I work in the games industry and they ask how big the company is and I tell them 150 people, with another 200 on contract, they're usually quite impressed. 'That's sizeable, what famous games do you make?' I have to say, 'no famous games at all, those aren't the kind of games we make!' If we're going to make a game that's a household name, then you need 5,000 people." He chuckles. "Unless you're Mojang."

And apparently Paradox wants to develop their own matchmaking system independant of Steam.
"We want to develop our own matchmaking system, for example, and our own technical platform, so we're not too dependent on Steam all the time. Steam is great, we love them and we have a great relationship, but we're not in charge of what's happening on the tech side, we don't know what would happen if Steam was sold to someone. So we need to watch our own backyard and make sure we're strong and independent even if Steam goes away one day, or gets sold."
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Paradox developing some kind of network service, rofl.
 

ag-my001

Member
I find myself in the very unusual position of needing my liege to increase authority. I knocked it down to low via faction so that I could expand the kingdom of Sicily within Byzantine borders. However, it recently dropped to autonomous (no clue why), and the low levies aren't working out well against an invading Caliphate. Any tips to do this without use of console? I'd rather stay vassal, so forcing elective succession and doing it myself would not be preferred.
 

Mr.Mike

Member
So, does anyone have any good ideas for a mega campaign(CK2 -> EU4 - Vic2)? I figure if I start one now the EU4 -> Vic2 converter should be fairly mature by the time I finish EU4.

My concern is that I'm going to be way to powerful to be having any fun pretty quickly if I don't make up some rules to limit myself. I figure I'll start out as an Irish count at the Stamford Bridge bookmark, so I'll be starting out small. Then I plan to only have vassals one level below me as much as possible, which should help to keep things interesting. Not really sure what to do in EU4.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
You'll have to avoid Nordic groups in CK2, because they are just way overpowered and can easily WC, making the subsequent EU4 run boring as hell.

Maybe start as a count/duke in the HRE?
 

Son1x

Member
So, does anyone have any good ideas for a mega campaign(CK2 -> EU4 - Vic2)? I figure if I start one now the EU4 -> Vic2 converter should be fairly mature by the time I finish EU4.

Starting as a Count or a Duke, form a Kingdom and become a regional power. Followed by colonization in EU4 and then imperialism in Vicky.
 

Xater

Member
Guys I have an appointment to see Hearts of Iron 4 during Gamescom. So if you have any questions about that game let me know. Maybe I can work them in.
 
Guys I have an appointment to see Hearts of Iron 4 during Gamescom. So if you have any questions about that game let me know. Maybe I can work them in.

1) Will there be any way to give territory to your allies, or to specify who gets what in the peace? This is important to make the map look not-terrible after a conquest has taken place.

2) Without going into specifics, should we expect the "puppet supply line" issues to be gone in the new game?

3) Will there be a "pure political" map mode that exists solely for map porn purposes, as opposed to the hybrid map shown in existing dev diaries and trailers?

4) All footage shown so far use unit sprites, rather than unit counters. Will unit counters be featured at launch?
 

Kabouter

Member
4) All footage shown so far use unit sprites, rather than unit counters. Will unit counters be featured at launch?

Definitely this question yeah.

I'm also curious as to whether they've solved the issue of Germany going into France through the Maginot line at the same time as their offensive in Poland. In unmodded Hearts of Iron 3, France would always fall in late 1939 because Germany was somehow able to conduct a full scale offensive in both the West (through heavy fortifications no less) and East at the same time.
 
I can't imagine they'd get rid of counters. That'd be crazy.

Definitely this question yeah.

I'm also curious as to whether they've solved the issue of Germany going into France through the Maginot line at the same time as their offensive in Poland. In unmodded Hearts of Iron 3, France would always fall in late 1939 because Germany was somehow able to conduct a full scale offensive in both the West (through heavy fortifications no less) and East at the same time.
This is still a problem even after all the expansions?
 
BlackICE has other problems, like applying 9000% combat modifiers to units to force historical outcomes in certain conditions.

Modern vanilla TFH usually sees France falling after Poland, in 1940. I can't recall any simultaneous offensives against both. Maginot line offensives sometimes happen and work, but they "usually" (80% of the time) go through the low countries. Although they go through the low countries in the sense that they attack through belgium, head on, without using encirclements or anything like that. Just a brute force punch through the land that causes French forces to crumble.

Theoretically, the use of (historic) battle plans allows the AI to simulate the fall of france in AI vs AI games, but I still think they will make France ahistorically weak in the interest of multiplayer balance anyway.
 

Fitz

Member
So, The Art of War and Charlemagne expansion. Didn't see them extending the time line even more, no way I'll ever come close to playing from start to end now. Hope it's not half-arsed in regards to the pre-"feudal" parts of the world.
 

Xando

Member
Anyone saw the Hearts of Iron gameplay on stream?
I started playing HoI 3 a few months ago and im craving for HoI 4.
 

Fitz

Member
More details on Art of War for EU.

Best bit:
Fighting with Ship: Entire Fleets can now be upgraded with one click, you can now mothball fleets to avoid paying maintainance, and your fleets can be set to automatically transport armies.

No more details about Charlemagne yet though, which I'm still sceptical about, going back even further in time.
 

ag-my001

Member
Whatever the Charlemagne expansion is, I just want a way for titles to be destroyed when the de jure leige doesn't have the realm anymore. If you stay in 867, almost none of the western European blobs are lost, unless they get absorbed. Comparing that start to 1066, there's no way Italy ever falls apart. The Byzantine empire only gets bigger, never smaller, unless they trigger jihads and mess with elective. I just want it where if the king controls less than 50% of the kingdom, it gets lost on succession. If you need that much to form it, you should need that much to keep it.
 
Charlemagne

Main features:

New Earlier bookmark, 769, almost 100 more years of Crusader Kings II
Special story event series for Charlemagne
Annual Chronicle in the style of the Saxon chronicle
Custom Kingdoms and Empires, create a new title from a lower-tier title, can customize flag and name.
Dozens of new cultures.
Brand new system for climate and seasonal transitions.
Regency overhaul

Apparently two duchies for a kingdom and two kingdoms for an empire and they don't need to be de jure kingdoms/empires so i'm excited if true.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Hopefully the playing field is 3 dimensional.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
fuck artisans

Playing Persia, industrializing in the 1850s, my factories are so profitable they're putting my artisans out of business, my artisans don't produce the goods which they themselves consume, have permanent +0.010 militancy from not meeting life needs, form permanent revolutionary class of wankers. 763k Reactionaries, 533k Anarcho-Liberals, and they're all goddamn artisans. Apparently they get stuck in this poverty trap whenever you industrialize too fast, and you can't do anything about it until they demote, but they're demoting at like 4.8% a year. I'm really looking forward to 5 decades of furniture makers throwing tantrums. Meanwhile, my Punjabi craftsmen get on their jobs despite being non-accepted culture/different religion/horrendously oppressed. Fuck the middle classes, that's what I say.

edit: welp I'm a bourgeois dictatorship now.
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
So when are they going to either update the CK2 DLC collection or make a second one?

In DLC collection:
Legacy of Rome
Sword of Islam
The Republic
Sunset Invasion

Not in DLC collection:
The Old Gods
Sons of Abraham
Rajas of India

And of course counting all the minor pieces, the DLC collection has 21 items yet the Steam page for CK2 shows there are 43 DLC items in existence. I think it is about time to make a second package.
 

Mr.Mike

Member
Any idea as to when EU4's Art of War, and CK2's Charlemagne expansions will come out? I've been reading about both of them and they both sound really good. I've been wanting to dive back into these games, but I want to wait until these expansions are out.
 

Mgoblue201

Won't stop picking the right nation
Any idea as to when EU4's Art of War, and CK2's Charlemagne expansions will come out? I've been reading about both of them and they both sound really good. I've been wanting to dive back into these games, but I want to wait until these expansions are out.
It's difficult to say when they're releasing Art of War. If Paradox was developing a normal EU4 expansion, I'd predict the end of October; but Art of War is supposedly one of the biggest expansions Paradox has ever released, so it could take even longer. Charlemagne still looked early and Paradox only recently started doing dev diaries for it; I think they could release it in November. They typically announce the release date only a few weeks in advance.
 

Fitz

Member
I suppose it's not out yet? Can't see it on Steam anywhere at least. Probably going to try out my favourite region first along with the new tribal system and do a Kingdom of Prussia run. Stomp the damn Karlings at their source.

edit: Releasing at 15:00 CEST apparently. It's out now.
 

Son1x

Member
You can get a discount on greenmangaming using the promo code: P65PW6-F9B91D-TW2AG2

All 3 smaller DLC are also on the site and you can apply the discount on them as well.
Got CM and both early clothings for a bit under 15€.


Gonna start up the game now :)
 

Fitz

Member
Looks like you get the removal of "Pagan Homeland Attrition" tech at military organisation 2 now, it was much higher before. Feels quite significant to me, especially with a good spymaster stealing from Constantinople. Also the nerf to retinues looks quite substantial, no more easy-mode all Cataphract retinues I reckon.

edit: Unlocking boat tech as a tribal is just the best thing ever. Really hard to make money when your only neighbouring raiding options are other broke tribes, getting boats is like being given the keys to the gold vaults of Britain.
 
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