Thanks for the clarification. I guess the vagueness of the tooltip in the 'Declare War' tab had me confused. I read it as "if you aren't the de jure liege or they aren't your family, then you'll put them in power but not under your control". I may have done this in my early games without landing them first, so it worked out like it reads. This should help my expansions into Scotland and Ireland very much.
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Paradox Grand Strategy - Thread of Fighting WW2 as Bithynia
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thequickandthedead
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Hey Guys
Any tips for Hearts of Iron newbies? I've played a decent amount of CK2.
Any tips for Hearts of Iron newbies? I've played a decent amount of CK2.
Just because you land them doesn't mean you're their De Jure liege unless your title is also the De Jure liege of whatever territory you're giving them. This is very tricky to figure out and you might be giving away a huge duchy to someone who'll go ahead and split off and form his own country. For example, I am the Emperor of Scandinavia. I press a claim for the Duchy of Essex in the name of one of my vassals. When I win the war, Essex gets freed from whoever owned them before (probably the British Empire) but it doesn't become a part of my empire, because the Duchy of Essex is not, de jure, part of the Empire of Scandinavia, which is my primary title.
Mgoblue201
Won't stop picking the right nation
I have no idea what de jure liege means exactly, but the title which you press for a landed vassal should be incorporated into your realm. Just to illustrate, I started a new game as the Holy Roman Emperor and invited a character with a strong claim on the duchy of Portucale to my realm:
I give him the county of Bamberg:
And then press his claim. Once I win the war (in this case, I used console commands), the Duchy of Portucale is now a part of the HRE:
I don't know if there are exceptions to this general rule.
Mgoblue201
Won't stop picking the right nation
Victoria 2 is the most conceptually brilliant Paradox game, but it's also probably the most arcane. It's not a difficult game to learn, but a lot of frustrating things can occur without any explicable reason - factories closing, revenue falling precipitously, rebels organizing in your country - unless you take the time to understand the game's economic and population systems. Victoria 2 also suffers from an opaque interface which is more emblematic of the older Paradox titles than the newer ones. However, if you can get beyond the lack of transparency, Victoria 2 is still a great game, particularly if you have some affinity for the time period or want a game of economic and political depth. A House Divided and Heart of Darkness are both essential expansions; Victoria 2 has made enormous strides since its release and the two expansions are a large reason for it.
Basileus777
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Victoria 2 is still Paradox's best game, though a case could be made for CK2.
Yes, the time period is very appealing to me, I love XIX century literature so I have a lot of background on that era. BTW are all those piecemeal art expansions worth getting (at $.4 each?). I buy them for Crusaders Kings 2 and am fairly satisfied with them (they add flavor when playing different cultures), but overall I hate that Paradox sells them separately instead of incorporating them into the main expansions...
I'm starting my Venice campaign in CK2 (in 866), it's the first time I'm playing as a trade republic family, anything I should know before realizing I made some fatal errors 200 years into the game?
I was thinking of doing the same thing. After looking at an overview, I'd say always keep extra gold on hand for mercs or to sway an election. Also, a doge can't steal trade posts, so plan ahead and act quickly if it looks like you're about to become the doge.
I was thinking of creating a merchant republic to play as, assuming the path of granting a duchy to a mayor still works. Any suggestions? Maybe something on the Iberian peninsula or the north of France?
Edit: Decided to go with a Republic of Wessex game, with my Doge being good ol' Alfred the Pretty Nifty. He was down-graded from "Great" due to only having three daughters while I worked to create the republic with his brother, but he's still in his early 30s and has a lover.
I was thinking of creating a merchant republic to play as, assuming the path of granting a duchy to a mayor still works. Any suggestions? Maybe something on the Iberian peninsula or the north of France?
Edit: Decided to go with a Republic of Wessex game, with my Doge being good ol' Alfred the Pretty Nifty. He was down-graded from "Great" due to only having three daughters while I worked to create the republic with his brother, but he's still in his early 30s and has a lover.
Mgoblue201
Won't stop picking the right nation
I never did buy any of the unit and sprite packs in Victoria 2 because the graphical detail is too low to really appreciate them (by contrast, the unit packs in CK2 and EU4 add a lot of distinctiveness to the game). But I would recommend buying both the base game and the two expansions. A House Divided introduced some essential mechanics such as war justifications and popular movements. Heart of Darkness made some strides toward a more transparent and fulfilling experience (particularly reworking the broken war score system), while also introducing the fun crisis mechanic and new colonial system.
Basileus777
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Stretching feudal mechanics to represent Rome is a bit much. CK2 doesn't even represent Byzantium's government structure very well. They'd have to change enough that it'd make more sense just to make it it's own game.
Hmm, I don't really agree. The core of CK2 is the character interaction system. Everything else flows from it. Colonisable provinces and a senate system would pretty much be all that's required to bring it into the CK2 fold. It'd be a big DLC, but nothing about it seems un-doable within the current game.
Basileus777
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The problem with Rome 1 was that it was a re-skinned EU3 that felt really basic. I'd want a better representation of the time period than CK2 DLC would give us.
Cameron122
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If Nero is Rome II and Armstrong ParadoxSpace I will never leave my computer. Hope ParadoxSpace and Rome II have some of the character features of CK2 and EU4. I wanna be my own little version of Caesar or Muad'Dib ;D
So new games announced from PI, reveal coming the 23rd?!
Project Nero (Rome 2?) and Project Armstrong (Space?)
Project Nero teaser pic:
I'm guessing Game of Thrones.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I'm pretty sure Kabouter owes me money or something if it's HoI4 instead of a space game.
I'm guessing Game of Thrones.
I doubt it. It's probably some own fantasy IP, they registered 'Terra Universalis' a while back, that'd be a solid enough title for a fantasy game. I've been expecting them to go in that direction for a long time now.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Playing HPP mod. Huge pocket. Not sure how many divisions trapped inside. But it's gotta be a LOT. Probably 2 armies worth or more. For reference the line where there are no troops is marshes that can't be supplied or moved through.
EDIT: 72 divisions, not counting the 3 I destroyed creating the pocket. And also not counting HQs, which do actually contain some manpower. So 3 armies worth of Soviet troops.
Paradox has been posting hints everyday leading up to the announcement tommorow. I figure I'll post them here since I don't think anyone has done so yet. There are two unannounced titles.
Project Nero:
1. There will be fire & darkness.
2. Is this a troll attempt?
3. There are no provinces in this game.
4. Clausewitz as you would never have thought possible.
5. What does the Skald say?
6. This will be a giant announcement
Project Armstrong:
1. We will have ships!
2. There will be a rocket on a loading screen.
3. n/t
4. There will be deep technologytrees!
5. There is politics and espionage.
6. Sweden is on the map
EDIT: The games have already been announced but I've added the 6th hints anyway for completeness.
Project Nero:
1. There will be fire & darkness.
2. Is this a troll attempt?
3. There are no provinces in this game.
4. Clausewitz as you would never have thought possible.
5. What does the Skald say?
6. This will be a giant announcement
Project Armstrong:
1. We will have ships!
2. There will be a rocket on a loading screen.
3. n/t
4. There will be deep technologytrees!
5. There is politics and espionage.
6. Sweden is on the map
EDIT: The games have already been announced but I've added the 6th hints anyway for completeness.
I don't think they would launch two new IP's at the same time, although I might be underestimating the amount financial risk Paradox is willing to take. It really seems to me that Project Armstrong is Hearts of Iron IV, which is exciting to me because I'd like to play HoI, but if a new one is coming out I'd rather just wait for the new one.
Project Nero might be more interesting. What with "no provinces" and "Clausewitz as you never thought possible" it seems like it might be a major departure away from their usual formula and towards something more like Civilization. They've already shown with Conquest of Paradise that they have interest in randomized worlds. Project Nero might be a weird and exciting 4X/Grand Strategy hybrid with fantasy window dressing.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Hearts of Iron IV
Ships = naval ships
Rockets = V2s
HoI3 has probably the largest most unwieldy tech tree so that fits
Politics and espionage are staples of the series.
Hope you're right.
You are right about Nero, Paradox just announced Runemaster (fantasy RPG) at their convention.
edit: and Hearts of Iron IV confirmed!
They've also announced expansions for EUIV and CK2!
From twitter
quill18 said:
Ryan Letourneau said:
Basileus777
Member
Holy shit and India expansion? Hype.
King Allant
Member
Most excited for Wealth of Nations, also really excited for Hearts of Iron IV. Not in any way excited for CK2 DLC or Runemaster.
They still need to let me play as the Mongols at the height of their power.
Give me Mongolia Universalis plz.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Awwwwwww yeah son.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...Runemaster&p=16770671&viewfull=1#post16770671
I get the impression Runemaster will have a tactical focus, which makes sense, since Paradox's audience probably wouldn't care for something more akin to Diablo.
I get the impression Runemaster will have a tactical focus, which makes sense, since Paradox's audience probably wouldn't care for something more akin to Diablo.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Some more details and impressions on Hearts of Iron IV
http://www.pcgamesn.com/hearts-iron-4-preview-high-command
http://www.pcgamesn.com/hearts-iron-4-preview-high-command