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ParentGaf OT: Birth, Bib and Beyond

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I murdered another batch of granola. That's the 5th time in two months that I've turned those poor oats into charcoal. My crimes against breakfast foods are adding up. When will the tyranny of mom brain end? It does end...right?

It gets better!

Until you have another one and have to deal with that first 12 months again anyway.
 

zbarron

Member
It gets better!

Until you have another one and have to deal with that first 12 months again anyway.

Hear hear! We're almost at 11 months with our second so the end is in sight but we all just got really sick so no one is sleeping.

Have you tried overnight oats H.P?
 

Icefire1424

Member
I murdered another batch of granola. That's the 5th time in two months that I've turned those poor oats into charcoal. My crimes against breakfast foods are adding up. When will the tyranny of mom brain end? It does end...right?

Man, I was just reading something about that on BBC like...yesterday, since I'm reasonably sure my wife is still dealing with "Pregnancy brain", which apparently is a thing.

Supposedly it lasts at least 2 years after a mother gives birth. But there's a correlation between being a new mother and gray matter brain activity.
 

Smokey

Member
My wife arrived early and saw the daycare worker yelling at Logan before pickup today. Told management and they shrugged their shoulders like it was no big deal. He's 17 months old and they were yelling at him how awful he was. He liked this place at first but has come to hate it. Today when I dropped him off he started screaming as soon as he saw the building. He doesn't eat there. He doesn't sleep. God this shit drives me crazy. How are working parents supposed to raise a kid? How are you supposed to keep them safe?

Your wife is better than me.

As for your last question, I've become the sole provider. My wife stays at home with him for the very reason you guys ran into today. She has a huge distrust of daycares, and their expensive.
 

Media

Member
It's $146 for two days a week. We pay 50% for weeks he doesn't go, and the full $146 if he goes only one day. Still cheaper than the last place, which was $180 for two days, whether or not he was even there. The last place had cameras, which we thought was a plus, before we realized how heartbreaking it was to watch the workers completely ignore the children for hours and hours on end.

What the fuck, that should be illegal.

The only time I ever had my kids in daycare it was 10 dollars a day per kid, or 5 dollars an hour for short notice. This was in North Dakota, 6 Years ago, and the women ran it out of her home and was subsidized by the state due to how rural we were. She was awesome though.
 
I've been trying to track down resources, to see if there is any way to report what is going on. Weeks ago I sent an email to the state accrediting organization letting them know our last daycare was three kids over the limit per teacher. I never got a response. It's as if no one cares. We parents are helpless.

Other good resources are local media (newspaper and television) and your state representatives.

We did a co-op preschool for our kids, so you committed to one day a week helping out. Was a nice atmosphere as there were always two or three parents there helping the teacher (who was a dear), but obviously requires you can do the one day.
 

NewFresh

Member
I murdered another batch of granola. That's the 5th time in two months that I've turned those poor oats into charcoal. My crimes against breakfast foods are adding up. When will the tyranny of mom brain end? It does end...right?
My wife is being charged with 2nd degree granola slaughter as we speak. This is the third batch she has put in the oven only to get distracted by our 18month old and then.... Burnt granola for the next week, because we ain't throwing that out.
 
We actually have a nanny who's quite good and really seems to like our son, and I don't know if I even want to switch to daycare eventually. I mean, I know we should, but it's a tough as nails decision.
 

mrkgoo

Member
My wife arrived early and saw the daycare worker yelling at Logan before pickup today. Told management and they shrugged their shoulders like it was no big deal. He's 17 months old and they were yelling at him how awful he was. He liked this place at first but has come to hate it. Today when I dropped him off he started screaming as soon as he saw the building. He doesn't eat there. He doesn't sleep. God this shit drives me crazy. How are working parents supposed to raise a kid? How are you supposed to keep them safe?

Kids will go through phases of hating their daycare, but at that age they need to feel safe and comfortable. Just be aware they can be quite manipulative if they want to be with you.

I didn't start daycare until around 2 years for my first child, but yelling is not tolerated at the daycare. There are even signs that say yelling is an inappropriate discipline technique. I mean sure, we're not perfect parents, and I've yelled tons of times, but I know it's wrong, and it doesn't work, ESPECIALLY with kids that young. It should not be an avenue for professional childcare.

it's a sacrifice I made for my kid to raise them until they are old enough to handle daycare. I specifically trained my first kid to accept daycare, which i think IS a good way to develop social interactions and bypass their own fears. You have to find a daycare that shares your philosophy in childcare.

That's the thing about parenting... you will be told umpteen different ways to handle things, and many times, there is no right and wrong....just different views. You have to accept that sometimes views that don't match yours aren't necessarily wrong.


But yeah, yelling at an infant and deriding them doesn't achieve any positive results.


Oh to also add, I know what it's like to want your kid to achieve all the attention it can get, but sometimes kids need to learn some independence as well. depends on age though. I wouldn't leave a child that young unsupervised, but a lot of daycares do, though they will say they are keeping an eye on them. It's a tough call. Just don't be THAT parent that is constantly nagging the daycare workers how to do their job, if they're doing an ok job. But obviously, they should be complained to if they are being inappropriate.

Our daycare is wonderful. kids love the teachers, their childhood care philosophy matches our own. you need to find one that matches your desires.
 

Media

Member
So I have this phone monitoring app on my 13 year oldson phone right? And it sends me daily reports of how texts and calls he's fotten, let's me Block apps and lock his phone, etc. So usually the daily sms report is like, 5 in 8 out. Today it was 75 out and 68 in. So I clicked on it and wow, I can actually read his messages and he's having this fucking adorable conversation with this girl and ugh.

He's growing up too fast. Also I feel bad creeping on his messages lol
 

mrkgoo

Member
So I have this phone monitoring app on my 13 year oldson phone right? And it sends me daily reports of how texts and calls he's fotten, let's me Block apps and lock his phone, etc. So usually the daily sms report is like, 5 in 8 out. Today it was 75 out and 68 in. So I clicked on it and wow, I can actually read his messages and he's having this fucking adorable conversation with this girl and ugh.

He's growing up too fast. Also I feel bad creeping on his messages lol

lol and wow at the privacy breach. Can't say I wouldn't be curious too, but....

To be honest, probably best to bail, and not be that kind of parent. I know it will kill to not know, whether your kid is being honest etc, but to breach that trust can on;y go bad, IMO.

He will lie to you at some point, and you're probably better off not knowing he is.

That said, once my kid gets a phone, I'm turning on GPS tracking LOL
 

Media

Member
lol and wow at the privacy breach. Can't say I wouldn't be curious too, but....

To be honest, probably best to bail, and not be that kind of parent. I know it will kill to not know, whether your kid is being honest etc, but to breach that trust can on;y go bad, IMO.

He will lie to you at some point, and you're probably better off not knowing he is.

That said, once my kid gets a phone, I'm turning on GPS tracking LOL

Yeah not going to do it again, I had NO idea I could read his messages, but once I clicked I couldn't help myself :(

And nothing bad at all, just him being an awesome, comforting friend to a depressed girl. I love him so much, he's such a good kid.

I will forget I can do that and resist temptation. It's kinda shitty they even built that in. Will NOT be telling the hubby lol.
 

mrkgoo

Member
Yeah not going to do it again, I had NO idea I could read his messages, but once I clicked I couldn't help myself :(

And nothing bad at all, just him being anice awesome, comforting friend to a depressed girl. I love him so much, he's such a good kid.

I will forget I can do that and resist temptation. It's kinda shitty they even built that in. Will NOT be telling the hubby lol.

I don't know if i could personally resist... I'd have to delete it and find another way. Especially if they find out later that you COULD read them, even if you didn't....

I get monitoring numbers of texts, but there's gotta be a line drawn somewhere. I don't even know what I'm supposed to do when my kid grows up this tech-world. I never had that stuff...

Goes it's like that with every parent and generation though.
 

mrkgoo

Member
When I say they ignored kids at the first place we tried, I mean they sat them down in high chairs for hours on end, never said a word, rarely interacted with them. These were children as young as a three and four months old. To not have any exposure to language or play at that age, for long stretches of time, can be developmentally damaging.

The second place was good at first. Logan enjoyed going there. The first place we tried he hated immediately, and would try to knock over the child gate to escape the classroom. After a few weeks he began to dislike daycare 2 as well, and his dislike seemed to correspond with a shift in teachers. The teacher who yelled at him is not the woman who usually watches the toddlers. It's not that we're looking to overanalyze how the teachers handle their classrooms. But we chose this place partly because they advertised redirection as their primary discipline, not scolding and time outs, and while that seemed true at first we are now staring through the cracks. We pay for the service advertised, which aligns with our own methods of discipline. It is immensely frustrating to get the opposite treatment. We asked specifically about yelling, slapping, and time outs. They told us exactly what we wanted to hear: no shaming, no hitting, no time outs until children are old enough to understand what a cool down period is. But then they go ahead and try to shame him anyway. We've also seen them put other toddlers in time out, locked in the crib section of the room with no toys and no opportunity for interaction. Kids as young as 15, 16 months.

Sounds terrible. I'd get them out.

Personally, I wouldn't even have a 3-4 month old in daycare. Yes they do need that level of attention and care at that age, and no one will really give it to them unless they're a direct one-to-one caregiver.

And I'm not trying to say you're wrong. You're absolutely right. Just be aware that lots of kids can suddenly change to not liking going somewhere. There's usually a reason, though, but it can be hard to figure out why.

Your case seems pretty obvious, however.

I'm not even sure what our daycare does for discipline. I'm not an expert because our kid is largely well-behaved. I've thought a lot about how to discipline her appropriately but she's never really been that bad.

Our second kid, however, lol I just know he's going to be trouble....
 

Media

Member
I don't know if i could personally resist... I'd have to delete it and find another way. Especially if they find out later that you COULD read them, even if you didn't....

I get monitoring numbers of texts, but there's gotta be a line drawn somewhere. I don't even know what I'm supposed to do when my kid grows up this tech-world. I never had that stuff...

Goes it's like that with every parent and generation though.

Yeah, I have to draw the line. It'll be there if he starts really worrying me, like if he gets really, really depressed or comes home beat to hell and won't tell me, or is missing...basically emergency only. After reading that conversation it just confirmed what I already knew; that I can mostly truse him, that he's a great kid with an amazing heart, and I'm happy he's making friends after our move. I will resist unless it's an emergency.

The reason I have the app on his phone at all was two fold: busted looking at porn on it, and he was staying up til like 4 am surfing youtube when he had school on the morning. It's the only app I found that's cheap, offers family plans, and let's me lock his phone when it's bed time without it being complicated.

The porn thing, I think he's too young. He turned 13 in August, and while I've explained that it's not realistic and shit, I don't think he's old enough to grasp that. And with the fucked up stuff out there, I'd rather wait til he's around 15 and then loosen my hold after some long awkward conversations lol
 

Media

Member
Out of curiosity, what is that app called?

MmGuardian. Has a parent app and a kid app, so it can get a bit confusing as you have to download both lol. But it's pretty intuitive after that. Has a free version and two paid options, 3.99 a month, or 7.99 a month for multiple kids and unlimited devices.

And you know it's a good parental control app when 99% of the reviews are 1 star from kids that are pissed it's on their phones lol
 
MmGuardian. Has a parent app and a kid app, so it can get a bit confusing as you have to download both lol. But it's pretty intuitive after that. Has a free version and two paid options, 3.99 a month, or 7.99 a month for multiple kids and unlimited devices.
Thanks! I won't need anything like this for a few years, so there will probably be something different by then, but it's good to know that these exist.

My wife and I are discussing options. She makes more than me and keeps suggesting I quit my job and stay home with Logan. But that's still a big chunk out of our income. We might be able to manage but the budget would be tight. As soon as Media mentioned Leapforce I started looking into it, and I think I'll submit a CV tomorrow. Even if I could work part time somewhere and be able to stay home half the week it would be a huge weight off our shoulders. Thinking only in terms of cash is probably selfish on my part. Logan came home with a black eye tonight, after being watched by my wife's grandparents. They claimed that nothing happened to him. They don't know where the bruise came from. My wife cried, asked me again to put in my two weeks, said she can't deal with worrying about him every day. I don't get as acutely stressed as she does. But I understand how that worry can eat at you. It is profoundly frustrating to not be confident your child is receiving the best care possible, that you can't deliver on your role as a parent to protect and raise him without unnecessary risk.
Have you considered a nanny? I know they aren't cheap, but maybe they cost less than your salary.
 

mrkgoo

Member
My wife and I are discussing options. She makes more than me and keeps suggesting I quit my job and stay home with Logan. But that's still a big chunk out of our income. We might be able to manage but the budget would be tight. As soon as Media mentioned Leapforce I started looking into it, and I think I'll submit a CV tomorrow. Even if I could work part time somewhere and be able to stay home half the week it would be a huge weight off our shoulders. Thinking only in terms of cash is probably selfish on my part. Logan came home with a black eye tonight, after being watched by my wife's grandparents. They claimed that nothing happened to him. They don't know where the bruise came from. My wife cried, asked me again to put in my two weeks, said she can't deal with worrying about him every day. I don't get as acutely stressed as she does. But I understand how that worry can eat at you. It is profoundly frustrating to not be confident your child is receiving the best care possible, that you can't deliver on your role as a parent to protect and raise him without unnecessary risk.

There was an interview on the SGU podcast recently about porn and media illiteracy. They mention how kids have trouble recognizing what is real and what isn't, and say that parents should explain as best they can how media, including pornography, should be read, so kids don't grow up thinking porn is a documentary. And I was thinking, how many kids at that age don't think their parents are full of shit? Maybe that's too cynical. I know if my parents ever tried talking to me about porn I wouldn't really consider their advice. They tried to moralize more than they were capable. And maybe, again, that's too cynical. And it is probably informed by some lingering imprint of a twelve year old's emotion. I think you are probably right to prevent access right now. There are certain things I think kids are probably fine to be exposed to. Porn is one that invites all sorts of neuroses that are better left sorted by more developed brains.

Nah it's not selfish. Being a parent is definitely a sacrifice, but you have to balance it all. A happy parent is a happy family.

You most definitely have to feel safe and confident with any carer you hand your child off to. You do, however, have to remind yourself that no caregiver will ever pay as much love and attention as yourself.
 

JoeNut

Member
Man, I was just reading something about that on BBC like...yesterday, since I'm reasonably sure my wife is still dealing with "Pregnancy brain", which apparently is a thing.

Supposedly it lasts at least 2 years after a mother gives birth. But there's a correlation between being a new mother and gray matter brain activity.


Damn i didn't know this, my Mrs is so forgetful at the moment, i figured it would just go away
 

theaface

Member
Damn i didn't know this, my Mrs is so forgetful at the moment, i figured it would just go away

My wife's not been forgetful, but she's got the overactive emotions things going on. It's actually pretty funny for the most part. She recently started crying because she made a cup of tea and realised she'd left it downstairs.
 

Icefire1424

Member
Damn i didn't know this, my Mrs is so forgetful at the moment, i figured it would just go away

I can confirm that some moments of "absentmindedness" hit my wife hard during and after her pregnancy. It's gotten much better, but every once in awhile there are still those moments that she just forgets something, or blanks out on stuff she knows. It's more funny than anything, but like I said, that's getting better.

...what's more than just a bit odd, however, is how much her personality has changed in other ways. I've mentioned in here before that our relationship has suffered quite a bit in the last couple years, but I'm increasingly convinced (or perhaps I'm just trying to force myself to believe it) that hormones since her pregnancy are a major contributing factor. It's odd, simply put. We've spoken about it a lot, specifically that I regularly feel like we aren't even a couple anymore, but it's pretty clear it doesn't bother her nearly as much as it does me. Certainly frustrating. I'm really curious how this will play out over time, and if she ever will go back to more of her "old self". Hopefully I'll still be around to see that.
 

JoeNut

Member
I can confirm that some moments of "absentmindedness" hit my wife hard during and after her pregnancy. It's gotten much better, but every once in awhile there are still those moments that she just forgets something, or blanks out on stuff she knows. It's more funny than anything, but like I said, that's getting better.

...what's more than just a bit odd, however, is how much her personality has changed in other ways. I've mentioned in here before that our relationship has suffered quite a bit in the last couple years, but I'm increasingly convinced (or perhaps I'm just trying to force myself to believe it) that hormones since her pregnancy are a major contributing factor. It's odd, simply put. We've spoken about it a lot, specifically that I regularly feel like we aren't even a couple anymore, but it's pretty clear it doesn't bother her nearly as much as it does me. Certainly frustrating. I'm really curious how this will play out over time, and if she ever will go back to more of her "old self". Hopefully I'll still be around to see that.

Damn that's really tough, i imagine that becoming a parent can change your identity somewhat as you're a mum or a dad in the eyes of your partner too.
 
It gets better!

Until you have another one and have to deal with that first 12 months again anyway.

Yay!
Noooooooooo!

Hear hear! We're almost at 11 months with our second so the end is in sight but we all just got really sick so no one is sleeping.

Have you tried overnight oats H.P?

Ooo. What are overnight oats? I mean, I'm sure I can fuck those up too, but I'm willing to try anything to avoid wasting another pack of macadamia nuts. :(


Man, I was just reading something about that on BBC like...yesterday, since I'm reasonably sure my wife is still dealing with "Pregnancy brain", which apparently is a thing.

Supposedly it lasts at least 2 years after a mother gives birth. But there's a correlation between being a new mother and gray matter brain activity.

Two years, huh? And I think I saw a promo for the very BBC thing you mentioned. I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the reminder!


I my experience mom brain lasts for 13 years...so far.

Shit. I liked the sound of two years better.


My wife is being charged with 2nd degree granola slaughter as we speak. This is the third batch she has put in the oven only to get distracted by our 18month old and then.... Burnt granola for the next week, because we ain't throwing that out.

Haha. United in our merciless treatment of oats. Seriously, it just flies from your mind as soon as that oven door closes. Funny thing, though, I was so sad about it that my husband offered to do it. Guess what? He totally forgot too! Batch #6...fail. Like you guys, we're going to eat it anyway. Shit's too expensive to toss. :(


Damn i didn't know this, my Mrs is so forgetful at the moment, i figured it would just go away

Sorry to tell you that apparently it has a 13 yr+ duration. :)
 

sikkinixx

Member
Well here we go. My wife gets induced on Monday. Two weeks ahead of schedule due to some potential complications.

Suddenly shit just got very real :\
 

mrkgoo

Member
Merry Christmas, Parent GAF.

It's funny, I've returned to my home I grew up in, and having Christmas with my kids. I will soon look at the joy on their faces that we strive to put on them at this time of year, the same as my parents did for me.

Say what you will about the struggles of being a parent, but at times like these it all seems worth it.

Love your kids, and recreate those memories that you have in only that special way a parent can.

*hugs*
 
Yup, my youngest is so excited right now. Buying more gifts for her older sister than her older sister did for her, grandparents and uncles visiting, final Nutcracker performance last night, outside in the snow playing, making pierogies for dinner. It's good times.

Good luck Sikkinixx!
 

deadbeef

Member
Does anyone had any recommendations for kids bedroom furniture? We want something durable but reasonably "stylish". There is a company called NE Kids that makes some furniture with this finish called dura-brush that looked really sturdy in a furniture store but I'm not sure how it would hold up and I only saw one piece. Of course the only reviews you find online of kids furniture are people ripping the quality or customer service.
 

Media

Member
With kids furniture, I'd honestly just get something you could replace and it not hurt too much. Kids are destructive at times, it's amazing the amount of damage they can accidentally cause. At least until they are old enough to understand.
 

deadbeef

Member
With kids furniture, I'd honestly just get something you could replace and it not hurt too much. Kids are destructive at times, it's amazing the amount of damage they can accidentally cause. At least until they are old enough to understand.

Yeah, I guess I don't expect it to last too long. Most of the finishes I see are kind of glossy though, and it's really soft wood / veneer. I guess I'm just looking for something that won't show the inevitable wear & tear. I don't want to be one of those old guys that says "they don't make things like they used to" but, well... Almost all of the furniture I can find is just really thin veneer on top of MDF or particle board or what have you. Frustrating.
 

deadbeef

Member
Do you have access to any places that sell custom furniture? Big box stores and many online sellers will stock only mass produced furniture, but it doesn't sound like that is what you're looking for. Real wood options exist. I found this short article while searching. Does it help at all?

Does anyone know a good resource for gauging developmental progress in young kids? I don't really know anything beyond babycenter.com. I'm a little uncomfortable with most of the guidelines I've seen.

Logan is not yet 18 months but knows the entire alphabet, numbers 0-10, and is beginning to properly count objects and read short words. He's starting to sort by color and can name blue, yellow, red, green, and pink. I didn't realize this was unusual until one of my coworkers said her 3 year old was only starting to pick up on these things. I noticed before he seemed a little ahead of his peers but not that far. I'm still skeptical about calling him advanced, so I'm seeking resources to learn more.

Wow thanks for that article! I really like that KFS website. Looking very strongly at a few of those.

Thanks!
 
http://wholefully.com/2016/03/07/8-classic-overnight-oats-recipes-you-should-try/

It's a nice easy breakfast. All you have to do is combine the ingredients the night before and in the morning it's ready and waiting.

Thanks! Will give those a go!

Yeah. From what I understand development is quite variable the first few years. I don't want to assume he should be treated differently if that will only make him frustrated, but I also don't want to squander his interest and leave him bored. I want to adopt a plan at home that will challenge him and encourage his growth no matter the pace at which he is developing. I don't really like the term "gifted," I much prefer the word you used, "aptitude." He has shown an aptitude for reading and has developed skills out of that. It makes sense to me that he would be ahead in exactly these areas, because he is interested in his books and so is constantly exposed to letters, numbers, words, and colors.

I guess I'm looking for some guidance about what is developmentally appropriate. It might sound strange but when I heard my coworker say she was shocked at what he could do, I felt guilty. Am I pressuring him? Am I forcing him to behave older than he should behave? I don't know what his mind is capable of processing or what shortcuts he is taking in his understanding of these concepts. I don't want him to develop these immature heuristics that look good enough for adults to be impressed, but that will let him down later on when the demands on him are more sophisticated.

Lately he's been helping me clean up. He wipes up messes, throws trash into the bin. He helps prepare meals, washes fruits and vegetables, helps set the table. These things seem normal to me, but I've been getting a lot of criticism from family members about not letting him just be a toddler. I don't want to mess up his ability to socialize with other kids his age. He already has enough trouble at daycare. I also don't want to slow down his progress if he is capable of these things.

It's guilt in every direction.

I don't think that by teaching him things you're pressuring him. Kids are like sponges. They enjoy learning. Unless you're drilling him like a sergeant every day, the things you're introducing him to are good. The fact that you're worried about asking too much of him proves you're not. You're not teaching him stuff to get him ahead or to better compare against other kids like some parents. Don't let what other people say tie you into knots.

As for the cleaning/helping, my niece does exactly the same thing and she's 18 months. She just adores tidying up and washing stuff. It's a form of play for them, and personally, I think it installs good habits. You're not depriving him of being a kid at all.
 

mrkgoo

Member
Do you have access to any places that sell custom furniture? Big box stores and many online sellers will stock only mass produced furniture, but it doesn't sound like that is what you're looking for. Real wood options exist. I found this short article while searching. Does it help at all?

Does anyone know a good resource for gauging developmental progress in young kids? I don't really know anything beyond babycenter.com. I'm a little uncomfortable with most of the guidelines I've seen.

Logan is not yet 18 months but knows the entire alphabet, numbers 0-10, and is beginning to properly count objects and read short words. He's starting to sort by color and can name blue, yellow, red, green, and pink. I didn't realize this was unusual until one of my coworkers said her 3 year old was only starting to pick up on these things. I noticed before he seemed a little ahead of his peers but not that far. I'm still skeptical about calling him advanced, so I'm seeking resources to learn more.

My son is 18 months and he just baby talks.

Now I feel like a bad parent.
 
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