Yeah you prefer to call them migrants, which probably helps forget where they are coming from.
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Paris Assistant Police Chief and wife stabbed to death by ISIS linked terrorist
- Thread starter Spring Drive
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Most of the people that have been flooding into Europe are in fact economic migrants, not refugees fleeing conflict in Syria.
ISIS is as much an idea as an actual organisation.
Some like what ISIS is doing, subrscribe to their idea and thus, kill in the name of ISIS like they would in the name of any other ideology.
Actually, you know what, I'm not arguing this point. RIP to the victims.
timetokill
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Fuck, seriously
3 years?! A sick joke.
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Vilix
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Rachel Maddow was saying how ISIS has been telling would be Islamic extremist to kill or harm anyone by any means necessary. Don't bother coming to the Middle East. Just make sure they pleadg their loyalty to ISIS so they get credit. Then she rolled of a number of examples.
MarkMclovin
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That poor kid.
A 3 years to a potential terrorist, gets you 2 people murdered later on.
When are we going to start learning from shit like this?
A 3 years to a potential terrorist, gets you 2 people murdered later on.
When are we going to start learning from shit like this?
Spring Drive
Banned
I heard an interview with some intelligence expert and they said there's just too many people flagged as potential threats to national security. You can't devote resources to track them all 24/7 and, out of hundreds of profiles, how do you know which ones will actually strike, anyway ? Also, one drawback of working in anti-terrorism is that everyone will know of your failures while your successful operations will stay secret.
roflwaffles
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What's going on with the world this week...
MarkMclovin
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Finding 'potential threats' is difficult, yes. But they FOUND this one!! And he was convicted. With the possibility of him being brainwashed over a substantial length of time, do you think that would change for the better of good, within 3 years?
France seems to be swarming with jihadists. These attacks will continue for years to come.
I don't want this in my country.
if you're actively recruiting and organizing with enemies of the state like ISIS you should be locked up for more than 3 years or booted out of the country
christ
Spring Drive
Banned
Well, the terrorist was a French national (born in Mantes-la-Jolie)
yeah, I'm saying France should have kicked his ass out the country or locked him up for longer than three years and forced him to undergo some kind of mental rehabilitation or assimilation program
you can't just assume that somebody actively recruiting for ISIS is going to change after only three years. utter insanity.
timetokill
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That poor kid too
Too many monsters in this world man
Too many monsters in this world man
Sure if you say so. Doesn't mean it's the truth though.
Doesn't that prove his point if you add all the non-syrians the total is greater than syrian refugees and most would apply.
Nope.
Add the Iraqis along with the Syrians; those are both home to vast ISIS held territories and where much of the fighting is happening.
KonradLaw
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Sure if you say so. Doesn't mean it's the truth though.
Ehh..the graph you just posted proves you wrong, with Syrians being less than half of the group :] And that was 2015, when nobody checked if your claim of being Syrian is actually true or not.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I mean, if you actually stack all of the bars, Syrian is less than half of the total in that image
Mr. Giggles
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Palette Swap
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I've been pondering that three years thing. I mean, I'll be the first to say I don't want these guys roaming free, but it raises questions about how long you can incarcerate all these guys directly related to terrorism, not the ones who shoot people, but the ones who provide them with weapons, with the means to circulate between countries, or even the hate preachers who radicalize others without getting their hands dirty. I mean, we could say, it's not three years but five, ten or fifteen, but they will eventually get out. So what do we do about these people?
Iraq and Afghanistan aren't exactly safe countries either to be fair. Not saying there are no economic migrants in there, just that being an unsafe shithole isn't Syria's monopoly.
Stiflers Mom
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I am so tired of these fuckers.
If you hate us so much, go back to where the people live that you love...
Thank me later.
If you hate us so much, go back to where the people live that you love...
Thank me later.
Mr. Giggles
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Poor kid, fucking religious nut job...
It's been a bad week
It's been a bad week
Fox Mulder
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It's easier to attack from the inside and use our freedoms against us.
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Vilix
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He's from France.
Sure if you say so. Doesn't mean it's the truth though.
You are wrong, these are the asylum applications from Austria last year.
1. Afghanistan: 25.563
2. Syria: 24.457
3. Iraq: 13.663
Total: 88.340 ---> only 27% were from Syria
Mr. Giggles
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He's born in France.
Guys, I get that you don't like the brown people coming in but there's a serious problem when the douchebags are home grown
Marky Mark
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When I read about the son my heart sank thinking what the hell happened to him. Thank God nothing happened but sad about the parents as that kid is going to be messed up. ;(
I once thought what would happen if someone stormed my house and did something my wife and son, so when I read this I was fearing the worst.
I once thought what would happen if someone stormed my house and did something my wife and son, so when I read this I was fearing the worst.
Milly Osworth
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Ugh, this is making me increasingly angry. I'm so sick of these cowardly cunts killing innocent people. Good job man, you can mow people in a club down with a machine gun or stab them in their home. Fuck off.
BrassDragon
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Just the workload of dealing with the known assholes is crushing law-enforcement and intelligence agencies at the moment. It's one reason the Americans are going all-in with automated surveillance.
It's not that we don't have enough clues and information but we can't scale up the analysis and intervention teams fast enough to keep track of it all.
If you want to add thoughtcrime to the mix, even disregarding the moral dimension, the practical reality of it just won't work out.
And for all the rhetoric, let's not forget that European intelligence and covert police forces have had their budgets squeezed at every turn, it's just an easy 'invisible' cut to make for elected officials, especially the left-leaning ones who mistrust these branches of government deeply.
sunshine and gasoline
Banned
Apparently the guy livestreamed the attack on facebook.god damn
Goddamn.
How in the hell was he not removed from the country at the very least if they weren't going to keep him locked up permanently?!
darkinstinct
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Wipe them out. All of them. Until the last IS scumbag rots in hell.
BrassDragon
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Practically speaking, how do you remove him and to where? Which country will have him? And if they don't want him, how do you get him there and make sure he doesn't travel back?
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
At this point I say imprison them all for life if they have ever had any ties to IS or terrorism. If you can't watch them, you have to contain them where you can watch them.
What a horrible tragedy, but at least the kid survived. Don't blame them they couldn't get him alive with the kid in the scene and him killing the hostage but fuck it still frustrates me that there won't be any interrogations of the criminal that helps establish if it's a legitimate link to ISIL or just a crazy bandwagoner.
Condolences to the family.
Edit: oh fuck, seems like this dude was the real fucking deal in being a recruiter. God dammit, what horrible circumstances.
Condolences to the family.
Edit: oh fuck, seems like this dude was the real fucking deal in being a recruiter. God dammit, what horrible circumstances.
BrassDragon
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A lot of our best intelligence comes from disillusioned IS-supporters. We're not just fighting these guys on the battlefield, most of it is 'fought in temples' and the PR front is fierce. Thousands of them, particularly from Western-Europe, join out of misguided ideology and try to turn back around when the cold reality of fanaticism hits them.
Will we give them something to come back to and help us fight this evil or do we go 'nah, you were a stupid dick at 19, so we'll imprison you for life because of it'?
Apparently the guy livestreamed the attack on facebook.
He was apparently saying that the Euro would be a graveyard and told people to attack the police, prison guards, journalists and rappers (?), and that it's easy because all the attention of the police is on football supporters
Shit, I really hope this doesn't escalate.
Spring Drive
Banned
By all means, get the guy alive if there's no risk. Otherwise, take no prisoners
sunshine and gasoline
Banned
Antartica will gladly take him. ^_^
In all seriousness, I wasn't thinking of the difficulties when I posted. It certainly is a tough decision. Seems that the best options we have are to keep such people in jail longer, hope that a sentence such as the one this guy received is enough to rehabilitiate them or kill them.
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