sadly the western world would rather turn a blind eye to the mess we are partially responsible for. The US's foreign policy, especially these last several years have been a total mess
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Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.
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timetokill
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Wouldn't be surprised to see a push to forbid anyone who has visited/come from Syria from entering the country.
Wind's Howling
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We can argue left and right about our European immigration policies but leaving our borders closed will not miraculously solve these type of terrorism actions.
There are people being 'bred' by the likes of ISIS and Al Qaeda where their sole thought is suppose to be that everything other than Islam is bad and should be erradicated from the face of the earth.
You cannot defend yourself from that.
PdotMichael
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Sure, you would love that.
Captain Smoker
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Come on dude.
Dude. Stop posting.
Because they didn't eliminate the Islamic part of it, You know what I mean.
FreedomFighter
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This is why I think this is blowback. Can't say for sure yet. But I'd be willing to bet.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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oh COME ON dude
SymbiantXenos
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Seriously?
You obviously know jack shit about Europe, keep your stupid crap to yourself
Palette Swap
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Waiting for a source on Bagnolet (right east of Paris). Browsing through Twitter, I found a lady complaining about firecrackers :
At least I don't wonder if this post was "putrid shit".
I hope it's not too serious. My sister used to work at one of the bars that got hit.
That the murderers attacked places where innocents go to have fun and enjoy life says a lot about their hatefulness and cowardice.
And from everything I have read that is exactly what ISIS wants. To have those who disagree with them trying to flee to the west be told no and have them be "shown" that the west doesn't care about them but they(ISIS) does.
Edit: I know it's almost conspiracy level but what if the passport was "planted" to incite reactions against Syrian refugees?
Captain Smoker
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Even if he was a "refugee", do you think he is going to say "Hello, I'm here to bomb Paris" if asked?
Iceatcs is the real victim in all of this
Enter the Dragon Punch
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They're not spitting on your post because of your English or the fact they just disagree with you... You blamed a terrorist attack on the nation instead of the terrorists. Stop trying to make it seem like others are persecuting you for other shit.
i was wondering about this too. The rebels aren't much better then Assad, and I don't see how this couldn't lead to a proxy war with russia.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Do we think this attack will invoke Article 5?
Calm down everyone. There is no need to spit on my English or post just because you disagreed with it.
I'm happy to talk seriously, but it seem pointless now and gone to the wrong way. Another shame from gaffers
Your not talking seriously at all, shame on yourself posting crap like that
What is Article 5?
AP also confirms it.
A passport survived on the body of a suicide bomber? Damn.
This is like people finding passports of hijackers on 9/11. Are passports invincible?
"Gone the wrong way" is putting it mildly. You actually blamed the terrorist attack on France, and told them to be ashamed.
Seriously.
Oh yeah? I seriously hope you try lol.
Get an actual metric tonne of heroin across the continent of Europe, and post your results from an international prison.
/sarcasm
I'm sure you realize how easy it is to just type words about how easy it would've been for them to prevent this if they just did border checks? What are border checks? Checking to see if the borders are still letting people through like they're supposed to be? Have you heard about the refugee crisis in Europe? Do they just close the borders and let the millions who AREN'T going to strap on suicide vests in downtown Paris just be told to go home?
Or do you seriously think they have the time and resources to stop and frisk every single person who gets off an airplane, drives across in their car, or is stuck in a refugee camp just outside of a city? Come on man, these things just aren't plausible when you consider how many people they have would have to deal with every second if they don't want anyone sitting around in a country for years without being able to legally or afford get a job, license, car, house.
FreedomFighter
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Guys, don't forget that Daesh also pulled off something similar earlier this week in Beirut. Western press didn't condemn because it was a neighborhood with heavy support for Hezbollah.
Iriscomeback
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An attack on a NATO member is an attack on us all. That's what it says. If france wants to go to war, they will need NATO support. They could invoke article 5 to achieve that.
BaronLundi
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Conflicting reports about one or several car chases in the west of Paris.
Can hear helicopters.
Can hear helicopters.
Basically France would be saying that the country or state declared by isis had attacked them and that the whole of nato have to attack isis
Because that would be completely improbable? Flying jet airliners into buildings was improbable too at some point.
The bottom line is, is it's exploitable then it's probable.
Then another organization will take their place.
Caayn
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It was only a matter of time I guess. But still that doesn't excuse the people behind these attacks.
Why is it so hard for people to understand one another on a basic level. If you need to make your point with a gun in your hand, your point is most likely invalid. Like the Spanish premier said: that isn't a fight between religions but between civilization and barbarism.
Thoughts go out to all the families and friends that now need to continue with their lives without their loved ones.
Why is it so hard for people to understand one another on a basic level. If you need to make your point with a gun in your hand, your point is most likely invalid. Like the Spanish premier said: that isn't a fight between religions but between civilization and barbarism.
Thoughts go out to all the families and friends that now need to continue with their lives without their loved ones.
The ISIS threat will persist. No major force is willing to go all in against them.
Maybe, wouldn't mind that honestly.
Palette Swap
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French press sure as hell condemned it.
I've seen "reports" (i.e. Tweets) mentioning East (Bagnolet) and West (Boulogne).
I've also seen tweets saying they live there and haven't seen or heard anything though.
Article 5 defines a attack on one member of NATO as a attack on all NATO country.
Has only been used once (9/11).
It did against AQ on 9/11
Captain Smoker
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It won't pulverize him and his clothes into nothing. You also don't know if it's damaged.
FreedomFighter
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Does that go for non-state actors too though?
That's good to know. I missed that.
Here's the thing. This is a culture war and only one side is fighting. The other side has tied one arm behind it's back while it's citizenry admonish themselves for even engaging.
This whole movement of trying to rationalize evil is very Chamberlain-esque and it's never worked before in human history. I don't know why so many people are willing to sit and say violence doesn't stop violence. Tell that to the Nazi. Tell that to the Japanese who were utterly destroying Asia in WW2.
I understand that it's asymmetrical warfare we're talking about here, but that doesn't excuse the west for sitting on its hands and hoping for the best.
I mean, we saw these people commit atrocity after atrocity and did nothing! Maybe it's time to pay attention, and admit that humanity is only going to be as civilized as its lowest people.
We have a choice: admit that there's a severe problem and act or sit back and wait for the next atrocity. But the most infuriating thing is we already know what's going to change. Nothing. And we've been getting mad at the same shit since Munich and still we refuse to admit that this is a very real war people have declared on our way of life.
My only hope is that this time will spur the world into action.
I'll probably get banned for this post and I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but Islamic extremism isn't going away so we should probably stop acting like it will.
This whole movement of trying to rationalize evil is very Chamberlain-esque and it's never worked before in human history. I don't know why so many people are willing to sit and say violence doesn't stop violence. Tell that to the Nazi. Tell that to the Japanese who were utterly destroying Asia in WW2.
I understand that it's asymmetrical warfare we're talking about here, but that doesn't excuse the west for sitting on its hands and hoping for the best.
I mean, we saw these people commit atrocity after atrocity and did nothing! Maybe it's time to pay attention, and admit that humanity is only going to be as civilized as its lowest people.
We have a choice: admit that there's a severe problem and act or sit back and wait for the next atrocity. But the most infuriating thing is we already know what's going to change. Nothing. And we've been getting mad at the same shit since Munich and still we refuse to admit that this is a very real war people have declared on our way of life.
My only hope is that this time will spur the world into action.
I'll probably get banned for this post and I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but Islamic extremism isn't going away so we should probably stop acting like it will.
- Reuters: Paris attack survivor: phone 'saved me'.
Tal Shiar Agent
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It was invoked, for the first time in history, because of 9/11. So I'd imagine so.
timetokill
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Supposedly ISIS wants us to attack them as well. Does that mean we should just stand down?
Nato. When a Nato nation is attacked it can call for all Nato nations to join them in the fight.
I believe the US issued it after 9/11
velociraptor
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How did they find the passport on the suicide bomber? I'm curious why he had a passport on him in the first place, unless he arrived in the country on the same day.
Their size and material makes it very difficult to destroy them.
PdotMichael
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Other states could also just send a postcard with some nice messages. Article 5 doesn't define how other NATO states must react.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...roying-Opec-and-feeding-the-Isis-monster.html
here, there is more if you keep digging the rabbit hole, you might not like what you'll find
Guerrillas in the Mist
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