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Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.

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Captain Smoker

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velociraptor said:
How did they find the passport on the suicide bomber? I'm curious why he had a passport on him in the first place, unless he arrived in the country on the same day.
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That's what I ask myself.

Maybe he arrived that day, maybe he carried it to seem inconspicuous until the attack, maybe he didn't care because he's going to kill himself anyway, maybe they wan't it to be found so he gets the fame.
 
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nortonff

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velociraptor said:
How did they find the passport on the suicide bomber? I'm curious why he had a passport on him in the first place, unless he arrived in the country on the same day.
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Maybe they want it to be found? idk....
 
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Adam Prime

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I don't understand how you go to war against an organization like IS. They are formless, unorganized, and they are an "idea". They actively seek their own deaths. They don't want power or land or wealth... They want to watch the world burn.

I can't imagine a more depressing enemy of the world.
 
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woen

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hom3land said:
Nato. When a Nato nation is attacked it can call for all Nato nations to join them in the fight.

I believe the US issued it after 9/11
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Attacked from abroad.

Difficulty here is that the assassins were likely French citizens, born in France who likely had linked with ISIS people in Syria and/or Iraq.

Also, what help would be provided ? Troops ? Logistics ?

And the other countries are also targeted by ISIS, even though French is considered as the main target, the leader in Europe.
 
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Jokab

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This makes me pretty scared about the Football European Championships next summer. I had plans about going if my country qualifies, but I'm not that sure now.
 
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dabig2

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whytemyke said:
Here's the thing. This is a culture war and only one side is fighting. The other side has tied one arm behind it's back while it's citizenry admonish themselves for even engaging.

This whole movement of trying to rationalize evil is very Chamberlain-esque and it's never worked before in human history. I don't know why so many people are willing to sit and say violence doesn't stop violence. Tell that to the Nazi. Tell that to the Japanese who were utterly destroying Asia in WW2.

I understand that it's asymmetrical warfare we're talking about here, but that doesn't excuse the west for sitting on its hands and hoping for the best.

I mean, we saw these people commit atrocity after atrocity and did nothing! Maybe it's time to pay attention, and admit that humanity is only going to be as civilized as its lowest people.

We have a choice: admit that there's a severe problem and act or sit back and wait for the next atrocity. But the most infuriating thing is we already know what's going to change. Nothing. And we've been getting mad at the same shit since Munich and still we refuse to admit that this is a very real war people have declared on our way of life.

My only hope is that this time will spur the world into action.

I'll probably get banned for this post and I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but Islamic extremism isn't going away so we should probably stop acting like it will.
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Thank you, Churchill. Btw, we've been trying the strong-arm, bombs away strategy the past 70 years. It's partly why the Middle East is a hotbed of unrest and instability today.

I guarantee you that starting a war that you can't even describe beyond "kill Muslims in place x" is also a really, really bad argument. Gain some perspective.
 
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Queue outside of a blood donation center
 
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timetokill said:
Supposedly ISIS wants us to attack them as well. Does that mean we should just stand down?
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No no it's more that people should not jump on the refugees. Just because it happened to be a Syrian passport doesn't mean it was a Syrian at all. It could still be anyone but it would help with identification of said assailant. I trust our governments know this already but with the power of NATO and western powers there could easily be more at play. I feel I'm derailing essentially with hypothetical elements but what does ISIS want? The fall of western civilization. Who is in Syria right now who could assist with that indirectly and directly? Never underestimate the enemy is all I am saying. There is no fucking way we can sit by though.
 
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efyu_lemonardo

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MikeDown said:
sadly the western world would rather turn a blind eye to the mess we are partially responsible for. The US's foreign policy, especially these last several years have been a total mess
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You know what really saddens me?

I can picture discussions at the white house where suggestions to deploy troops in the region and go to war against ISIS are countered with concers over the budget. And I can imagine a big part of that is because the unnessecary invasion of Iraq depleted so many resources which should have been used to support this cause instead of that one.
 
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TheOddOne said:
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So basically a terrorist can be anybody regardless of background

How do we fight this?

Is ISIS just fishes for crazy suceptible/vulnerable people to take the bait and convert them to terrorists what can you do?

Would these same people have committed some horrible act otherwise?

I suppose the whole Cult/Group Support emboldens people to go through with it. The head of the snake needs to be cut of completely so that it cant seduce more people into this belief system
 
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Mr. Giggles

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efyu_lemonardo said:
You know what really saddens me?

I can picture discussions at the white house where suggestions to deploy troops in the region and go to war against ISIS are countered with concers over the budget. And I can imagine a big part of that is because the unnessecary invasion of Iraq depleted so many resources which should have been used to support this cause instead of that one.
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If they didn't go in to Iraq then ISIS wouldn't exist In the first place
 
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Captain Smoker

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DrROBschiz said:
So basically a terrorist can be anybody regardless of background

How do we fight this?

Is ISIS just fishes for crazy suceptible/vulnerable people to take the bait and convert them to terrorists what can you do?

Would these same people have committed some horrible act otherwise?

I suppose the whole Cult/Group Support emboldens people to go through with it. The head of the snake needs to be cut of completely so that it cant seduce more people into this belief system
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More wealth in poor countries, stable governments, less hate between people and everyone you disagree with, more communication between countries in the UN,
better cooperation between countries in the UN, less corruption, less selfishness, less of everything bad that leads to this stuff.

This isn't something that will vanish anytime soon, because crazy minds are crazy.
 
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Marky Mark

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DrROBschiz said:
So basically a terrorist can be anybody regardless of background

How do we fight this?

Is ISIS just fishes for crazy suceptible/vulnerable people to take the bait and convert them to terrorists what can you do?

Would these same people have committed some horrible act otherwise?

I suppose the whole Cult/Group Support emboldens people to go through with it. The head of the snake needs to be cut of completely so that it cant seduce more people into this belief system
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Horowitz has corrected that tweet, Belgian victims not terrorists:

Check out @michaelh992's Tweet: https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/665506652242751488?s=09
 
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Joni

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DrROBschiz said:
So basically a terrorist can be anybody regardless of background.
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I'm guessing their background will still allude to ties with radical imams and other risk classes. Edit: they have been identified as the victims, but it wouldn't be surprising if some of the terrorists have Belgian passports. The two countries share a language, a big border, and previous terrorist events were also linked back to Belgium, like the train shooting.

Kralamoonard said:
Wait, how come?
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Higher chance of HIV with I believe the lower durability of condoms compared to straight missionary position sex. So historically, people who had gay sex, are banned indefinetely from donating.
 
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Adam Prime said:
I don't understand how you go to war against an organization like IS. They are formless, unorganized, and they are an "idea". They actively seek their own deaths. They don't want power or land or wealth... They want to watch the world burn.

I can't imagine a more depressing enemy of the world.
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I don't know why this keeps getting repeated. ISIS is not Al Queda. They aren't hiding. They have territory under their control and are basically an unrecognized state. You can absolutely fight them in the traditional sense.
 
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efyu_lemonardo

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dabig2 said:
Thank you, Churchill. Btw, we've been trying the strong-arm, bombs away strategy the past 70 years. It's partly why the Middle East is a hotbed of unrest and instability today.

I guarantee you that starting a war that you can't even describe beyond "kill Muslims in place x" is also a really, really bad argument. Gain some perspective.
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As someone who has lived in the middle east I'll say this: The west has generally done a very poor job of understanding this region. Sometimes the job is so poor it seems comical.

Reacting too harshly to certain events while failing to react to truly urgent ones are two sides of the same coin.
 
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caleb1915

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Kralamoonard said:
Wait, how come?
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In the U.S. being a homosexual man automatically disqualifies you from donating blood.

Because AIDS in the 80s.

Yeah, fucking ridiculous considering the difference between giving blood and not is not measured by anything else other than you saying "Yes, I have had relations with another male."

You could just leave that part blank, or answer no and they'll hook you up and take as much blood as you let them.
 
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Kralamoonard

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Hedge said:
I can't donate blood in my country because being in a gay relationship is putting me at risk of disease or something. The only other group excluded without any tests are people who have been with a sex worker within the last months.
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If they're afraid of that, then can't you get tested then prove you don't have a disease etc so that you can show you're safe to donate blood? (Even if you are but I mean as a way to show you're "officially" safe to donate blood IYGM?)
 
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Grep

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France appears to have very weak security agency, they wouldn't be able to discover a terrorist even if he is in front of their eyes.
 
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DrROBschiz

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caleb1915 said:
In the U.S. being a homosexual man automatically disqualifies you from donating blood.

Because AIDS in the 80s.

Yeah, fucking ridiculous considering the difference between giving blood and not is not measured by anything else other than you saying "Yes, I have had relations with another male."

You could just leave that part blank, or answer no and they'll hook you up and take as much blood as you let them.
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WTF

I thought they had to test blood before it was used anyways
 
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