So basically unless the US tanks itself into another great depression we shouldn't even try to fight terrorism?
The strategy is obvious; maintain our position as the #1 world power AND target terrorism.
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Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.
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The strategy is obvious; maintain our position as the #1 world power AND target terrorism.
BaronLundi
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Insane Metal
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Guys, it's kinda ot, but I just saw on the news that the Pope is talking about WW3 after these attacks?! WTF?
Thanks for the explanation but I'm not sure I understand the implications.
Why the US need the Saudis to buy treasury bonds? What for? If their oil was sold in their own currency, what would be the consequence on the US market?
What the US can do to be independent from them?
I support this post whole heartedly.
faceless007
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OK everyone, enough with the derail about Saudi Arabia and the oil situation. This thread is for confirmed info and ongoing developments from reputable sources regarding the attacks.
Death Metalist
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Well, who cares as long as what happens in the ME, stays in the ME, right? It's a terrible situation all around whenever this shit happens in whatever part of the world.
Dollar as the world's reserve currency.
Dunno
but the whole world is aligning together to fight a common enemy. Sounds kind of like WW3
andythinkpad
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I hope they put him in a black site and throw away the key.
Pope Francis has already spoken several times that there is in fact a Third World War in place but fragmented in many confined hotspots of conflict. He commented that these attacks are part of that.
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but 2 of the terrorists posed as refugees from Syria in order to enter France easily:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11545641
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11545641
After the Marseillaise being sung in New York, at the opera, in Dublin and Tel Aviv, this is heartwarming.
Trafalgar square (!)
And apparently nothing, absolutely nothing, will prevent Parisians to enjoy a beer and a smoke at a terrasse. Taken tonight:
Some more here
I love it. Wish I was there right now. Fuck ISIS.
RPGCrazied
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Don't you guys think we need more troops in Syria, I don't think arming this coalition is really working.
It is better to not jump on that as quickly as that. Of course that they could have infiltrate Europe that way, but they could also have forged or stolen those documents to pass as refugees. It's better to wait for further investigation procedures to prove that.
Ideologies are not defeated by missles and bombs
The nazis were defeated by pure firepower and they were more dangerous and organized than ISIS.
Clockwork5
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Not right now. The Saudis are pricing oil on the cheap to discourage fracking in the West. Even if they price gouge the buyers, oil will still remain under the price levels of the past 9 years or else the US and Canada begin fracking and the Saudis lose market share.
orthodoxy1095
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That's precisely why it was easier to defeat them with firepower.
BBC Reported Syrian and Egyptian passports were found.
The telegraph is reporting that Syrian Passports were found.
If it turns out they did come in with the refugees.
What a tragedy.
The telegraph is reporting that Syrian Passports were found.
If it turns out they did come in with the refugees.
What a tragedy.
TheLostBigBoss
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Renewable energy being cheaper than oil is an inevitability, not a question of if.
Solar is five years away (If current rates hold, which they have been for 40 years) from being cheaper than natural gas.
davepoobond
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yet Nazism still goes on and on...
it was obviously going to happen.
It's unfortunate how lack of understanding people have about core of this problem. Do I really have to explain the difference between rise of nazi Germany and ISIS?
The Islamic State is like their name says, a state: that means that it has land and personnel/authorities that can be destroyed. This is not Al Qaeda that is pretty much a "brand" and therefore harder to destroy.
Some pages ago, a guy posted a very good article about ISIS. They can be destroyed, the problem is that no one wants to deal with a full scale war and occupation in at least 2 countries (one of them that is currently being supported by Russia), everyone makes half measures like selective airstrikes.
As an organized political movement Nazism is dead and buried. What's left are random hate groups and prison/biker gangs with swastika flags.
Insane Metal
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Only in name, they no longer go around conquering countries and performing genocide and that's what matters in the end.
vpance
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At this point, nothing short of a mass dosing of mushrooms would do anything to shake people of these beliefs.
eyeball_kid
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There's a man who was in the Bataclan on BBC Radio 5 Live right now, very powerful testimony. He was saying it was like an abattoir (slaughterhouse), blood everywhere. It was mostly dark inside, very eerie with the guitarist's amp still making noise. He said one of the terrorists had a very good French accent and said that this is for the actions of President Hollande.
That's creepy as hell but it looks like a troll account that got lucky. Spams messages every second about future predictions.
Do you know why a moderate western Muslim, will go to Syria and join ISIS?
andythinkpad
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Its only harder to defeat ISIS in the "completely eliminated" sense, you can still greatly suppress its world wide influence if you throw enough GDP in it. Just like cockroach.
We could utterly crush ISIS's ability to be a state and kill thousands of them and we still won't really be able to entirely prevent suicide attacks like these. What we saw yesterday is basically final state ISIS. We'll likely see more attacks as they get more desperate when they get pushed.
Of course we have to push them and annihilate their ability to exist as a state. And I'm fine with killing thousands of them. But in reality, bombs and missiles and Western presence never does any good for the region. Assad is the tricky variable. Keep him in power and Syria suffers brutal civil war until he dies or is replaced. Try to force him out of power and you get Iraq 2.0 which would make us think back to those halcyon days of Iraq 1.0. That is a future we should actively avoid at all costs.
I definitely don't envy any of the world leaders. Tough decisions ahead.
Of course we have to push them and annihilate their ability to exist as a state. And I'm fine with killing thousands of them. But in reality, bombs and missiles and Western presence never does any good for the region. Assad is the tricky variable. Keep him in power and Syria suffers brutal civil war until he dies or is replaced. Try to force him out of power and you get Iraq 2.0 which would make us think back to those halcyon days of Iraq 1.0. That is a future we should actively avoid at all costs.
I definitely don't envy any of the world leaders. Tough decisions ahead.
Because he wasn't moderate at all?
How about you post something more than one liners?, come on, enlighten us.
But look what it took for us to defeat them.
superseohyun
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if islam extremism "goes on and on" like Nazism today, then i will gladly take it.
DiipuSurotu
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It was a joke.
Yeah, tens of millions dead and entire generations wiped out. Shit sucked back then.
Not to mention the fact that Germany was an industrialized nation with a rich history and rich future to protect.
Plus, ISIS isn't just a country. When the allies took over the german lands they had nothing left to fight for. But ISIS isn't bound by an area, only by their ideology. You can kill a lot of them, but in the end the remnants will survive, because they don't wait until they're massacred to the last man. Some may flow back into other terror cells, some may secure assets and dwell in the darkness quietly. The only long term weapon is education and progress. Albeit short term solutions are needed, given what they are doing. I just want to point out that we only ultimately can beat them with progression.
But IS can be. Their financial sources can be destroyed. Their power can crushed.
It's not enough to have radicalization to have terrorism, it also requires money, weapons and organizing. While fighting radicalization is a long term process, tackling the state that provides the other three can be done.
Well, a bunch of other countries share part of the blame, but yeah.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/18/fivefold-increase-terrorism-fatalities-global-index
Just...bad all around.
Head of Vengarl
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After the Marseillaise being sung in New York, at the opera, in Dublin and Tel Aviv, this is heartwarming.
Trafalgar square (!)
And apparently nothing, absolutely nothing, will prevent Parisians to enjoy a beer and a smoke at a terrasse. Taken tonight:
Some more here
Excellent. Heartwarming. This resilience is exactly what you want to see in the wake of a terrorist attack.
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