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Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.
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DudeWithNoName
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Geopolitical and economic BS aside, I hope France, Russia, the US and others can get together on this. Share intel, troops, navies, air to get this shit taken care of.
Resident_UA
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That's because there's no violent way to deal with it. How are you going to fight ideology? Go door to door, ask people to "pinky swear" that they don't like ISIS and if they say yes just kill them on the spot? What the fuck are you talking about?
That's not how this goes down. Politicians that prey on fear and distrust will use this to advance their agendas, they will go to war torn nations, they will kill many, many, many people (a lot of which will be civilians), they'll say "Mission Accomplished", and then those destabilized regions will become a breeding ground for the exact same kind of trash that formed groups like ISIS in the first place.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What the fuck are you talking about unopposed? Do you know how many bombing campaigns there have been against them? Russia and Assad claim to be going after them as well. Just today we learned about this Jihadi John character being killed and the town of Sinjar being retaken.
teruterubozu
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Thing is, US, France, Russia, etc. are at war with ISIS. It's just not the kind of spectacular "war" people want.
psynergylover
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just glad to hear you and your family are safe
Soyongdori
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ISIS is at war with pretty much every countries in the world.
Precisely.
What more is France gonna do?
They've been bombing ISIS for quite some time already.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Gotta have those boots on the ground for it to feel "real."
I can't speak for everyone but it is far from wanting a spectacle for me. ISIS are raping, murdering and plundering all across the middle east. Are we to just sit back and let them?
Ivan Amiibo
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huh, that's about as pissed as a response as you can give...just wonder how that war will play out. Hopefully just attacks on known bases and strongholds. That'll still be a gigantic undertaking...other countries will get involved. This could be good and not a shitstorm like Iraq, if they do it intelligently.
Warm Machine
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Hate to say it but the country should have been taken over and never have been given back.
many places
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Yea his comment was dumb and naive as fuck.
Resident_UA
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Yes and craziest of them just joined ISIS. Problem solved I guess... Also US didn't need to invade 2 countries to kill Bin Laden. So I'm not sure what approach you are talking about.
Fox Mulder
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It's sad they've been allowed to fester as long as they have. The US is pulled back after two long wars and air strikes won't get the job done. A multinational force should sweep through for these roaches.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
maybe one of the crew members? band members were "reported" safe:
http://www.laweekly.com/music/update-all-eagles-of-death-metal-members-reported-to-be-safe-6277122
Maninthemirror
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Taliban have existed since 1990 they only care about Afghanistan . No one heard of Taliban until 2001 when they didn't attack us, they were hosting someone who did, Taliban of Afghanistan has yet to control all of Iraq since 1990
Thank you.
Terrorist groups are not disembodied thoughts that travel like angels through dreams.
They need people, money and training just like any other organization. Terrorist groups on the middle East are on locations that are hard to reach for geographical and political reasons, but they are not ideas, they are people who can be killed with resources that can be cut.
You won't end the issue once and for all with war. A humanitarian effort is definetly part of the equation (both logistical and moral), but the notion that you if you cut one head, two more will grow is false and, frankly, a romantization of real people who are murderers.
War is not the end, but I can't see how it is not the start.
They need people, money and training just like any other organization. Terrorist groups on the middle East are on locations that are hard to reach for geographical and political reasons, but they are not ideas, they are people who can be killed with resources that can be cut.
You won't end the issue once and for all with war. A humanitarian effort is definetly part of the equation (both logistical and moral), but the notion that you if you cut one head, two more will grow is false and, frankly, a romantization of real people who are murderers.
War is not the end, but I can't see how it is not the start.
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Deleted member 80556
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ISIS has the capacity and money (because they own a territory that has enough oil to make them rich) of organizing big attacks on Europe's soil. But let's sit all together and sing Kumbaya while waiting for the next attack because there is nothing that can be done. They won. We can't do anything against them. We should just make peace with the situation and wait peacefully until when? Until they occupy the whole Middle East or how would this end without any intervention from the West?
is isis an ideology? i thought they were a terrorist group
sneakydomo
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Your history on the Bush plan is factually wrong. The original plan, delusional in retrospect, was to have US forces out of Iraq in two years or so and than the insurgency slapped them into reality.
Iraq was not invaded in response to 9-11. The Bush Administration insisted it was in the lead up, but all evidence was fabricated. That has nothing to do with destroying Isis in any case.
Mailenstein
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The world needs to take care of these scumbags like they took care of Nazi Germany. This shit is going on for too long.
Doc Holliday
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Pretty much, if anything a large force would help Isis more than the invading nation. Not sure what the best way to handle Isis is :/ they would just spread out and come back once we leave.
Combination of special forces, helping opposition and strategic bombing and diplocy with neighboring nations I guess.
Maninthemirror
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Many have been saying this since 30 years back. Probably more and I'm to jaded and tired to not think we will be saying this in 30 years to come. Probably more.
Not even remotely close to the same thing.
You having a laugh mate. Tens of thousands have died in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11. It should never have been invaded to begin with.
Zabant
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There's a lot less collateral damage when it's troops assaulting ISIS held land and not just drones bombing 'the general area of operations'
You have to ask yourself the uncomfortable questing of what are you more comfortable with, potential loss of civilian casualties or potential loss of NATO troops?
Sure it does. Because it begs the incredibly relevant question: how the fuck do you do it?
Diplomacy and tackling the root causes of ideologies which promote and organise atrocities such as this is the only solution.
There is no solution to be found in violence, only more violence. History has proven time and again that conflict will only beget more conflict.
These terrible acts should be met with calm and a desire to see an end to the violence, not calls for revenge which will help no-one, least of all the dead.
There is no solution to be found in violence, only more violence. History has proven time and again that conflict will only beget more conflict.
These terrible acts should be met with calm and a desire to see an end to the violence, not calls for revenge which will help no-one, least of all the dead.
well, I meant that latter
ISIS is on US citizen's minds is all im saying. specially compared to someone from Uruguay
yet misinformation seems rampant
Resident_UA
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What does it mean? What terrorist group without ideology would be? Could you give me an example?
The problem is that Islamism and Jihadism are not a nation with a leadership, a territory, and an army that you can bomb into oblivion. The terrorists who did that today probably didn't need more to exist other than the Internet and a few weapons. This is a war of ideas, and the enemy is Islamism/Jihadism. We should fight that war and support reformers instead of allying with countries like Saudi Arabia who fund the root cause of this ideology.
It's not war. You don't have debates about whether or not your people can engage in theater if you're at war.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I don't know wtf this idea is that nothing is being done against them. You do realize a US soldier was killed in a raid against them right? Not to mention countless bombing campaigns.
Abinash117
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Very naive. You really don't know what ISIL really is or what it is entirely consist of. You really think it is because its poor brown people and somehow making all those nations somehow prosperous is going fix much? I don't anyone know how many decades it will take for that to happen and how many people will be killed since we can't start a fight, but ISIL will. Only two of those countries have anything to do with ISIL . Iraq war were the remaining sunni terrorists groups joined up with ex-saddam officials, and with the civil war in Syria it was a natural focus point for jihadists all that became ISIL. Besides many foreigners ISIL aren't even poor and so the only point you was right about was ideology, and many joined them because of that and wasn't poor.
Anyway, the only way to hurt ISIL is through taking their territory and killing/capturing their leadership and destroy their infrastructure. If you really point those nations to all nice and rich then you have to defeat ISIL, because how else are you going to make all those nations(Iraq and Syria mostly) nice and cozy when they are there actively killing people? A war/battle/conflict has to be fought and no sugar coating and looking through western glasses is going to fix that.
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