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Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.
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Doctor Ironic
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Yeah, I'm sure it's that simple + that they haven't worked on it at all yet.
KINGofCRA5H
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BREAKING: Head of Paris police says all attackers are believed to be dead.
BREAKING: Head of Paris police says all attackers are believed to be dead.
There is more than likely people out there who helped prepare the attack. Bomb makers for instance don't sacrifice themselves typically
Maninthemirror
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Afghanistan succeeded in destroying al Qaeda there didn't it
Iraq war is the only one not justified. This one is
This is the bread in a bowl solution you have is who has invited all terrorists to join them in one location, we invade this one location and take care of majority of radicalists and its ideals
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It's not about borders, it's about governments. We removed governments, and terrorists took over. Don't remove the governments.
HighResTomato
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KINGofCRA5H
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GoldenEye 007
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I certainly am not versed in any way on those type of situations. But sounds like a great start also and part of any larger and longer-term plan.
You realize that the only reason these governments stabilized the region is because they were brutal dictators who gassed their own people if necessary?
Zabant
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Putin should not want to fuck with them.
Russian campaigns into the middle East have never gone well.
Doc Holliday
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I get where you're coming from man that sounds like recipe for disaster.
xXCrazyCostaXX
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I just got home from work and had no idea about any of this :/ been reading through the past couple of pages here and catching up on the news, and for those of you trying to start bullshit and fights, you're better than that. We are better than that. Let's comfort France gaf and talk about things that matter not start petty bullshit. Hope everyone is safe
Seems like really specious nonsense. No offense to you.
Maninthemirror
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ISIS have claimed responsibility since her tweet
You can't really make sure somebody is dead until you verify it in person. And launching a special forces assault into an isolated estate with minimal defenses is a hell of a lot different than launching a special forces assault into the large, fortified heart of the enemy army.
Plus, how would you pin him down without taking territory from him and denying it to him?
GoldenEye 007
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Of I feel like if you do remove a government, have a plan in place to not have a slightly less evil/corrupt person take it over. Have a true leader in there along with the necessary support for the new government to take roots. If that is full occupation and true infrastructure building over years and decades, then so be it.
It did?
Yeah, I don't want a new war. I just hope that if it comes to that our leaders will have a better plan of how to deal with the aftermath. Thinking that Iraq without Saddam would become a stable democracy was incredibly naive. Really no point in repeating every single mistake we already made.
(CNN)ISIS' affiliate in Egypt says it brought down Metrojet Flight 9268. And U.S. officials are more confident that terrorists bombed the Russian plane, killing all 224 people aboard.
Abinash117
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Lol who said anything about ending terrorism? Did I say anything about ending terrorism?
Nope I don't believe I didn't and getting rid of ISIL will be like getting rid of the terrorist groups in Iraq because they are one giant militia that aren't trying to hide and there is an active fight not like an occupation .
Bam Bam Baklava
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You're just hung up on names which produce hollow victories. Yeah, we really destroyed Al Qaeda but they just changed names and the ones who remained joined ISIS or Al Nusra or the thousand other sects. It's just a way for politicians to score points, including Obama by saying such and such group is dead while another one springs up.
Bin Laden is dead but what changed? The threat is more real now than it was when he was alive. How many #2 members of groups being killed has been publicized?
The fight has to go on but your naive idea that there's any conclusion to this battle is laughable. The overarching jihadist ideology has not been eradicated at any point in the last 20 years and that's what you should be focusing on.
My prayers go out to Paris.
This is such a difficult thing to combat. It's almost impossible to target someone's ideology. It's even more difficult when people like this blend in almost anywhere and literally switch it on when the time comes. This is guerrilla warfare against innocent people not by "soldiers" but it could be by someone you walk by each and every day, a friend, a coworker. How can you possibly combat that? Conventional warfare will NOT stop these people at all.
This is such a difficult thing to combat. It's almost impossible to target someone's ideology. It's even more difficult when people like this blend in almost anywhere and literally switch it on when the time comes. This is guerrilla warfare against innocent people not by "soldiers" but it could be by someone you walk by each and every day, a friend, a coworker. How can you possibly combat that? Conventional warfare will NOT stop these people at all.
Sickboy007
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The news is still fresh, Hollande is gonna get it in a few more days. The prospect of a Front National government is still improbable but looks less inconceivable by the day.
Doc Holliday
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We're still in Afghanistan so in not sure al Qaeda is destroyed. Also it was special forces that took out Bin Ladin and many of the taliban/al Qaeda leaders.
Isis is different so hopefully there is away to stop them completely. I'm just worried about how the world goes about it.
Zabant
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America seemed to think Saddam was a necessary evil for keeping that region in check since they supported him for so long.
All over Europe conservative and right wing governments are forming or winning elections. This will only cement that Hollande isn't fit to lead, especially after Charlie Hebdo, if this level of sophistication can happen in France. It will galvanize Anti-muslim and anti-immigrant sentiment as well.
that probably changes forever in France
Isis holds territory and oil reserves that allows them to finance, train and organize terrorist attacks on European soil. It's about destructing capacities, not just chasing a name.
But in this case the name is also important, because it's the base of their whole ideology. An Islamic State without a State?
So you want western intervention to end ISIS, but these same westerners should not be concerned with ending Islamic fundamentalism? Seems selfish.
Sickboy007
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I think they shot their way, they were already shooting on the road from their car while arriving at the concert.
Not to mention that automatic rifles are extremely hard to acquire in France
Where did they get them from? How were they smuggled in?
Mailenstein
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Everyone is cooking their own soup, so please tell me how that is helping the situation. It doesn't. They need to do this united and that's all I'm saying.
Maninthemirror
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They didn't change their name. They split from
Al Qaeda because al Qaeda wanted to terrorise for their views without creating a state and mostly for political gains of claiming while Isis wanted to create a caliphate and a state and were primarily religious with political intentions. Al Nusra wants to remove Assad and create a Muslim
Brotherhood type state and has resisted conflicts with groups who don't want shariah law while Isis has killed and gone to war over wanting to impose shariah law against those who don't want shariah law
Captain Tuttle
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Didn't they blow up that plane over the Sinai?
DirtyManos
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Can't believe it turned out as bad as I feared when reports about this started coming out. Terrible, RIP to all those affected. Complete solidarity with our French brothers and sisters over there now.
I live in America, and outside general articles about Europe or specific articles regarding events I'm largely ignorant of the going-ons regarding security and intelligence services over there.....
So what a somber year for France. It's so hard to compare American and European homeland security services because of the difference in regions/neighbors, political structure, and so forth...
But what has been the mood about intelligence services in Europe (France specifically if possible) this year?
In one year you have Charlie Hebdo, the foiled train attack, and now this terrible coordinated attack. I curious to see what direction European countries will take regarding their intelligence agencies regarding domestic attacks, will Interpol be expanded? What criticisms are there, was there just not enough resources to prevent such coordinated attacks, etc. What power will the people bestow on their governments in the wake of this year filled with not only with terrorist incidents, but rising tides of nationalism and uneasiness of mass migrations. Will that power be too much?
God, what a turbulent time for Europe.
I live in America, and outside general articles about Europe or specific articles regarding events I'm largely ignorant of the going-ons regarding security and intelligence services over there.....
So what a somber year for France. It's so hard to compare American and European homeland security services because of the difference in regions/neighbors, political structure, and so forth...
But what has been the mood about intelligence services in Europe (France specifically if possible) this year?
In one year you have Charlie Hebdo, the foiled train attack, and now this terrible coordinated attack. I curious to see what direction European countries will take regarding their intelligence agencies regarding domestic attacks, will Interpol be expanded? What criticisms are there, was there just not enough resources to prevent such coordinated attacks, etc. What power will the people bestow on their governments in the wake of this year filled with not only with terrorist incidents, but rising tides of nationalism and uneasiness of mass migrations. Will that power be too much?
God, what a turbulent time for Europe.
That would be the logical thing to do, but I might imagine that oil ressources and linked economy could seriously endenger that plan; there definitively would be a "new" state that'll feel it lost ressources, and the hate will just continue.
Would probably still be better than the current situation.
Presumably the kind of weaponry to kill that amount of people would also be able to kill security at a concert, just prior to that.
Yup, a lot of power goes into a name. Which is why we should stop calling them the Islamic State, ISIS, or ISIL because that validates them.
We should call them "Daesh" since they really fuckin hate being called that.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I'm just pointing out that the overarching problem is literally constantly prevalent. The people who are members of IS were members of AQ in Iraq and they'll be in the next group when IS is "defeated." It's a reason why there is a term called the War on Terror that has been going on for a long time.
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