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Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.
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metalslimer
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Considering the terrorists had suicide vests I don't really think gun control is the problem to be discussing here. And even if it somehow was even with the mass death toll today the numbers won't even come close to the gun deaths in the US this year.
You Are Viewtiful
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LOL "John Halo". Gonna have to use that in real life.
smh at people bringing US politics into this. The fact that the response to a massacre is calling a state of emergency and not "Tuesdays suck eh" says everything.
NullPointer
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Bam Bam Baklava
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What makes you think ground invasion does better? We're permanently occupied in Afghanistan and threats still remain. Solving the root cause is literally impossible considering we're battling an ideology so if you think doing what we've done for OVER 15 YEARS is not enough then what is? In that 15 year we've had two ground war and countless other actions against extremists all around the world.
How would holding some land in Syria stopped the Boston bombers? How would it have stopped the Fort Hood shooter? Your ideas are weak and reactionary. They solve virtually nothing in the overarching issue. It's just some callback to "Mission Accomplished" banners which mean nothing against the overarching battle against extremist ideology.
EatinOlives
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The one witness account in the concert we have right now couldn't even say how many terrorists there were at that time. You live a fantasy world if you think arming hundreds of people will result in literally everyone immediately identifying who the attackers are and killing them with zero stray shots and no bystander casualties.
The real problem with that concert was that there was zero security. No metal detector even.
While I would urge people to read the second part of the thread title, this is what it may be referring to:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
There is at least an endgame: destroying ISIS capacity of financing, training and organizing terrorist attacks like this one. It's not my rage, it's rather my fear. The fear that they are capable of striking in any European capital at some point in time.
Edit: another endgame would be not to have Europe being ruled by extreme right because of the fear.
I feel like he was just suggesting that when different cultures mix, there is inevitable tension etc at times.
It's a fact. It doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be accepting, multicultural and open with our hearts and minds, but it's still a fact.
They're running from both.
It's Assholes vs Assholes vs Assholes in Syria, and the general population are suffering from it.
Right. Except music venues are private establishments, and can rightfully ban weapons as they see fit.
Wow, this is insane. Last I checked the news hours ago it said 35 deaths. Now its about 200?How much more though? What form would it take?
ShalashaskaEx
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Absolutely. This scene will be repeated all over the EU. And to think there's people in the US that want an open border policy here. SMH
tearsintherain
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Damn been playing Tomb Raider all evening and just came to read for a few minutes and this is the first place I've heard about it. Sounds completely insane, hope people in France are safe now.
I dont know. Is that what you wanna hear? no one here knows shit
all im saying that if 3 cops were there rather than apparently 0, maybe 1 live could have been saved? who the hell knows, but that's already worth it. a terrorist attack over a place with virtually no security is an understandable thing now?
how do we even know if this venue wasnt chosen precisely cause the security is shit?
I can fantasize a 'could have' scenario to this side just as much as you can the other. we're going in circles.
this is what this is:
- oh there were 0 cops there? shit, should have been more security
- more security??? BUT AT WHICH POINT DOES IT STOP?
But this isn't the USA, so take that to those threads
re-education.
The process needed to reduce the terrorist threat around the world is extremely expensive. Even more so than a full blown war. This is why nothing will be done to solve the root issue.
As for ISIS, attacking paris, even if they had failed to kill as many as they did, was a sure way to help their cause. What they need right/want is more extremists joining their cause. By attacking paris they are sure to create an anti-syrian/muslim/etc sentiment across europe and that will in turn create more radicalisation and extremism.
ISIS has been very effective and that is scary.
Okay I'm out, this thread is become a "refugees are terrorists" and "if everyone had guns this wouldn't have happened" bullshit of personal opinions and no supporting sources
think about what this thread is about before you post people, good lord
think about what this thread is about before you post people, good lord
Edit: OP removed his post, so I decided to remove mine as well. No point in veering off-topic or speculating.
And then what happens next, if we employed a similar model to Iraq, bldining going into the Middle East without an actual plan besides stop the bad guys no questions asked? Congratulations, you stopped ISIS! A similar group would pop up again because you've just destabilized the region further. This isn't a plan. It's Whack-A-Mole.
The Sum of Zero
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Some of those assholes gained power via Western interventions and abrupt toppling of dictators. What now? All of Iran and Syria soon will chant USA=Satan. Do they chant that because they're just born evil?
With Syrian government stopping ISIS - crisis in Syria will go down. The people of Syria will trade political activism in return for normal schools and offices vs an ISIS/Nusra/Saudi controlled regime taking over.
charlequin
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Not the place for gun control arguments.
It's a scientific survey among 900 refugees who fled from Syria to Germany, 70% of them because of Assad. It's not the be-all-end-all of surveys, certainly, but it directly contradicts your claim they're fleeing ISIS, not Assad.
Care to share a survey that supports your claim?
For some more perspective: ISIS Transforming Into Functioning State That Uses Terror as Tool
Skellig Gra
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If ISIS went after the pope so many countries would be falling over themselves to just blow up Syria.
Sooo, like the rest of the EU? London/Stockholm is basically "the same landmass" as well despite tunnels and bridges.
Yes, like the rest of the EU -- but no, I wouldn't include London in that (separated by the english channel).
Also, I removed my post. I think this discussion belongs in another thread.
Marky Mark
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I don't want to fuck up this thread any more than the gun debate but i remembered some coincidences from that creepy video that went around the other month:
Redlipsliketenth=kill the president: french president was at the game?
2015 there will be three: Friday the 13th. Three in 2015, yesterday being the last.
"Strike an arrow through the heart of the eagle": eagles of death metal
Probably just coincidence.
Redlipsliketenth=kill the president: french president was at the game?
2015 there will be three: Friday the 13th. Three in 2015, yesterday being the last.
"Strike an arrow through the heart of the eagle": eagles of death metal
Probably just coincidence.
Dominican Power
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Who's claiming responsibility?
Shit is really going to hit the fan now.
Shit is really going to hit the fan now.
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It's still hard to believe this has happened, but at the same time it comes as no surprise. I have been expecting something to happen again, in France especially. I just didn't expect something of this scale.
How something like this hasn't happened in Britain yet I don't know. It's a scary fucking world, especially as a new parent. I feel guilty bringing a child into a world where such backward attitudes are still relatively common.
RIP to the victims.
I wish I believed in a hell for the attackers, somewhere they'll be tormented for eternity.
How something like this hasn't happened in Britain yet I don't know. It's a scary fucking world, especially as a new parent. I feel guilty bringing a child into a world where such backward attitudes are still relatively common.
RIP to the victims.
I wish I believed in a hell for the attackers, somewhere they'll be tormented for eternity.
What was that from?
I know that killing fundamentalists is not going to help.
Huh? ISIS is the direct result of western involvement in the middle east, so you're suggesting an endless cycle of violence?
So killing them is the answer? All of them are educated? Look up naive.
Holy shit dude, AGAIN you called someone naive for suggesting that eliminating ISIS would not solve the problem. You just even agreed that it wouldn't solve the problem in the preceding paragraph.
You initiated this discourse. Getting rid of ISIS, sure it's a good thing, but did you need to call someone uninformed for suggesting it wasn't going to solve the problem? That's why I called you naive.
And now you go on to make a strawman that the problem he was suggesting wasn't fundamentalism, but ISIS itself. I'm done.:
How could you possibly think this?
Marky Mark
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Most likely it was just an ARG.
https://www.reddit.com/r/creepy/comments/3ongx1/this_creepy_puzzle_arrived_in_our_mail/
Doesn't seem like anyone yet. ISIS praised the attacks but don't think they took responsibility for them.
Could just be a random, one-off cell for all anyone knows.
ShalashaskaEx
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How in the world do you re-educate people like ISIS? That is complete la la land. They HATE you and want to kill you and your entire family purely because you don't share their beliefs. Inviting them to a cup of tea to educate them about why we should all exist in harmony is NEVER going to happen.
You could add the top 6 deadliest U.S. shootings going as far back as 1966, and it would still be a mass shooting short of what just happened in France after a few hours.
But like someone else said, its just annoying how it's mentioned repeatedly in a U.S. mass shooting thread.
it's sad that I am somtimes bummed of living in a small uninvolved (with pretty much anything) country where nothing much happens, cause of the limited opportunities that come with, specially for my interests
then something like this happens and you immediatly appreciate it
just sad
then something like this happens and you immediatly appreciate it
just sad
For the new page.
That shit survey literally means nothing and screams of propaganda. Nor will I trust Washington controlled documents, the same ones that promoted bipartisan support for Iraq war, and blamed Assad immediately for Ghouta chemical bombing despite there being no proof till this day (and ISIS later being found with similar chemical weapons).
I'll point instead to common sense. I'll point instead to the recent crisis and ISIS/Nusra seizing large areas, committing atrocities which directly coincided with migrant crisis, majority of Syrians still hanging tight in Assad controlled areas which aren't facing conflict who are probably praying ISIS does not take over. Do you seriously believe your own bullshit?
That was just from some randos in Poland. I highly doubt it had anything to do with this.
TheLaughingStock
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If you think pluralism isn't inherently good and that it does not enrich society...that's fine. But hopefully the argument isn't for intolerance and gutting welfare. I'd need to hear more justification for that stance.
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BBC saying there were eight attackers involved.
The city I live in has hundreds of bars, nightclubs, and concert venues. They all work fine without a police presence, using unarmed private security, aside from the every-few-years gang-related shooting.
You can't plan for an event like yesterday's.
Whoa. I'm just saying all dominant sides in Syria are shit.
I completely understand ISIS is a result of a power vacuum left by western powers. But that's not the point I was making.
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Sorry got caught up in gun control shit
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