Things are heating up.
No it isn't. Playing neutral is withholding judgement from being guilty or innocent.
All I've seen from you in this thread is rushing to defend him so yes, you are one of them. He doesn't need to be defended because he already has plenty of Chicago fans rushing to do it.
I think It's a lot better to be supportive of the victim than him. They're the ones getting harassed and treated like shit by Chicago fans.
Yes it does.
Things are heating up.
Literally does not.
Then why is the definition of innocent "Not guilty of a crime or other act"?No, it doesn't.
do you honestly believe being found not guilty means they didn't do it? what?Then why is the definition of innocent "Not guilty of a crime or other act"?
Yes it does.
what does this mean?
It means something messed up is going on. What was delivered to her moms porch?what does this mean?
It means they're legally found as not doing it, and seen as innocent in the eyes of the law. That may not mean that they didn't do it, but if someone does get proven not guilty of something in a court of law, they're seen as having not done the crime.do you honestly believe being found not guilty means they didn't do it? what?
Then why is the definition of innocent "Not guilty of a crime or other act"?
Then why is the definition of innocent "Not guilty of a crime or other act"?
There have been way too many leaks surrounding the investigation for everything to be 100% kosher.
The plot thickens.
I have come to the conclusion that we'll never know the truth.
At least no one on the awful Bears has been accused of any despicable crime.
How the hell can the "the integrity of its chain of custody of evidence in this case" be "unassailable" with a fucking evidence bag anonymously deposited on the victim's mother's doorstep?Also, police statement about the evidence:
Regarding Evidence
September 23, 2015 at 11:43am
In regard to the information conveyed today by Mr. Thomas Eoannou, the Hamburg Police Department will cooperate with any authorized investigation regarding the handling of evidence and the procedure of such. That said, The Hamburg Police Department has documentation that unequivocally demonstrates that its handling of the evidence and the integrity of its chain of custody of evidence in this case is unassailable. As is policy with active investigations, there will be no further comment regarding this situation.
The police are saying not only do they still have the evidence, it's still in the bag they put it in when they collected it. Which, if it were true, means where the hell did this other bag come from?
How the hell can the "the integrity of its chain of custody of evidence in this case" be "unassailable" with a fucking evidence bag anonymously deposited on the victim's mother's doorstep?
Yeah no doubt something fishy is going on. But they would have the initial results of the kit documented right? So aside from the broken chain of command now I'm not sure how it has any bearing on the initial results when it was processed.
Didn't the Bears sign that Ray McDonald guy? And release him after he was charged?
The police are saying not only do they still have the evidence, it's still in the bag they put it in when they collected it. Which, if it were true, means where the hell did this other bag come from?
Slow your roll there bud, that wasn't the evidence bag as per the latest reports. All evidence is accounted for in its original packaging.
This new development would seemingly swing the case back in Kane's favor, wouldn't it?
This new development would seemingly swing the case back in Kane's favor, wouldn't it?
How the hell can the "the integrity of its chain of custody of evidence in this case" be "unassailable" with a fucking evidence bag anonymously deposited on the victim's mother's doorstep?
I only know about evidence handling procedures from TV shows, so I'm trying to square the PD's statement with what happened to the bag. Could it be that the evidence was collected, sealed, and stored, then taken out of storage and opened to be tested, and then re-sealed in a new evidence bag? If that's the case, could the bag that was left on the victim's mother's doorstep just be the original bag and the actual evidence still be safe in a new evidence bag in the PD's possession with an unbroken chain of custody?
The police are saying not only do they still have the evidence, it's still in the bag they put it in when they collected it. Which, if it were true, means where the hell did this other bag come from?
I was just thinking the same thing.If what the police are saying is true, then yeah, that kind of sounds like the most reasonable scenario. But even so, that's pretty fucked up that they just throw out a bag with her name and info on it without destroying it first.
Tons and tons and tons of rapists are not charged or not found guilty of the crimes they commit. False rape accusations are rare, and cases where there isn't enough evidence to take it to court are counted with them as "false accusations." Let's just say I'm far more comfortable presuming that Kane is guilty than not.
If it was tampered with before the county got it, Glascott wouldn't know. It is still very, very possible that tampering occurred and for that statement to be true.
This new development would seemingly swing the case back in Kane's favor, wouldn't it?
Is there an actual legal difference though? Like, can someone get proven innocent instead of not guilty and have the result be different because of it?Because you don't know the difference between a standard dictionary definition and a legal term.
It's no longer possible for the initial findings to be corroborated by any outside lab.
The article in the OP states the kit is "authentic" but that could mean it's just an authentic police rape kit, not necessarily Patrick Kane's rape kit. But why would anyone do that? Fucking weird.
It has the victim's ID, date of birth and initials of the hospital nurse who performed the exam.
That said, The Hamburg Police Department has documentation that unequivocally demonstrates that its handling of the evidence and the integrity of its chain of custody of evidence in this case is unassailable. As is policy with active investigations, there will be no further comment regarding this situation.
Is there an actual legal difference though? Like, can someone get proven innocent instead of not guilty and have the result be different because of it?
If there is then I'm mistaken and I've just never heard of it.
It has the victim's ID, date of birth and initials of the hospital nurse who performed the exam.
Or you could try to not be rude to someone who was mistaken about something and willingly admitted it.There is a reason that juries dont say innocent. Take a logic or epistemology or legal course before talking out of your ass.
There is a reason that juries dont say innocent. Take a logic or epistemology or legal course before talking out of your ass.
Or you could try to not be rude to someone who was mistaken about something and willingly admitted it.
There is no reason to be a dick about it. Is this the way you speak to everyone around you who says something that's incorrect?
Could be a bag that was tossed after evidence was tested/transferred to another container? I have no idea if they keep the old containers with the rest of the evidence or if they toss them out right away though.
I was just thinking the same thing.
It's alright, thanks for the apology. I'm sorry if I came off as shitty in my first post. You're right, I should have been more detailed with what I was saying.My apologies.
I was annoyed by your initial reply that amounted to. Nuh uh
I would imagine all three of those details would be readily available to someone close enough to the case to want to intimidate a witness.It has the victim's ID, date of birth and initials of the hospital nurse who performed the exam.The article in the OP states the kit is "authentic" but that could mean it's just an authentic police rape kit, not necessarily Patrick Kane's rape kit. But why would anyone do that? Fucking weird.
But voynov is forced to leave the country what a joke
If the police department does, in fact, have the original rape kit and packaging then this is a really bad look for the accuser and her attorney. The fact that he immediately went to a public press conference instead of corroborating with the police department/FBI/etc first makes him like he's just trying to drum up some public support.
But voynov is forced to leave the country what a joke
If the police department does, in fact, have the original rape kit and packaging then this is a really bad look for the accuser and her attorney. The fact that he immediately went to a public press conference instead of corroborating with the police department/FBI/etc first makes him like he's just trying to drum up some public support.
Voynov is a convicted wife beater.
Nope, he didn't do that.
First thing Kane did was announce that he was co-operating fully with the authorities. The press conference was his first public appearance for a while, the accusation came way before that.
Voynov is a convicted wife beater.
On mobile, but Patrick's driver is a cop.A policeman is just as likely to be close to her as to him. Why would it be easier for the people close to Kane to get access? The whole case is crazy, if it turned out she had a cop as accomplice in a frame up it would not surprise me in the least. It also would not surprise me if Kane raped her and someone thought they where helping him did it. Right now this hurts him though, if that rape kit would have shown there was no evidence linking him he is fucked now. If it did show evidence it still comes down to consent and public opinion.