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Patrick Kane Accusers Attorney: Rape Kit Evidence Tampered with (Up: Faked)
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Things are heating up.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Right. So I'm playing neutral. Gotcha.
Also, it's "alleged" victim, because we're being neutral and not making up our own minds. And yes, I support her too. I have the utmost sympathy for her, if her story is true.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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No, it doesn't.
There have been way too many leaks surrounding the investigation for everything to be 100% kosher.
Zen_Arcade
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Then why is the definition of innocent "Not guilty of a crime or other act"?
do you honestly believe being found not guilty means they didn't do it? what?
boiled goose
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What??? Given that you just replied without bothering to elaborate I'm just gonna assume you just don't know what the fuck you are saying.
what does this mean?
hodayathink
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The police are saying not only do they still have the evidence, it's still in the bag they put it in when they collected it. Which, if it were true, means where the hell did this other bag come from?
It means something messed up is going on. What was delivered to her moms porch?
Zen_Arcade
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It means they're legally found as not doing it, and seen as innocent in the eyes of the law. That may not mean that they didn't do it, but if someone does get proven not guilty of something in a court of law, they're seen as having not done the crime.
The law does imply innocence when they say someone isn't guilty of doing something. I think what people mean to say is that sometimes the law gets their decision wrong. But if you get a not guilty conviction, you are in fact seen as innocent of the crime.
Because you don't know the difference between a standard dictionary definition and a legal term.
I think people are referring to innocent meaning whether the person did in fact commit the act, not that the person has not been found guilty. Surely you recognize someone can be found not guilty (or never even charged) even if, in reality, they did commit the alleged crime.
Things are never kosher when you are cooking with pork.
Didn't the Bears sign that Ray McDonald guy? And release him after he was charged?
Squirrel Killer
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How the hell can the "the integrity of its chain of custody of evidence in this case" be "unassailable" with a fucking evidence bag anonymously deposited on the victim's mother's doorstep?
I only know about evidence handling procedures from TV shows, so I'm trying to square the PD's statement with what happened to the bag. Could it be that the evidence was collected, sealed, and stored, then taken out of storage and opened to be tested, and then re-sealed in a new evidence bag? If that's the case, could the bag that was left on the victim's mother's doorstep just be the original bag and the actual evidence still be safe in a new evidence bag in the PD's possession with an unbroken chain of custody?
If it was tampered with before the county got it, Glascott wouldn't know. It is still very, very possible that tampering occurred and for that statement to be true.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Slow your roll there bud, that wasn't the evidence bag as per the latest reports. All evidence is accounted for in its original packaging.
Zoe
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It's no longer possible for the initial findings to be corroborated by any outside lab.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah but I don't count him because they got rid of him before he played a meaningful down on the field.
That was a dumb as hell pickup though.
They got him because the new coordinator coached him.
Currently, the only guy on the squad that created crimes against humanity is of course Cutler.
This new development would seemingly swing the case back in Kane's favor, wouldn't it?
The statement came from the county. It is possible that it was tampered with before the county received it.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Yes, heavily. Because my understanding is that the evidence shows a lack of his DNA.
HawksWinStanley
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If what the police are saying is true, then yeah, that kind of sounds like the most reasonable scenario. But even so, that's pretty fucked up that they just throw out a bag with her name and info on it without destroying it first.
Could be a bag that was tossed after evidence was tested/transferred to another container? I have no idea if they keep the old containers with the rest of the evidence or if they toss them out right away though.
I was just thinking the same thing.
TheSpecialOne
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This is honestly one of the most senseless, thoughtless things I've ever read. It's people like you who are responsible for false convictions without evidence. Jumping to conclusions based on opinions and not of facts. I can't count how many people have lost their lives or had their lives ruined because people jumped to conclusions without facts. Until there is enough evidence to prove that someone is guilty, they are presumed innocent.
hodayathink
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I see. I didn't notice that it said Erie County. So basically, the city (or whomever was first on the scene) could have done something to/with it before they handed it off to the county.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I don't think he's going to be charged with anything but questions will forever linger.
Zen_Arcade
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Is there an actual legal difference though? Like, can someone get proven innocent instead of not guilty and have the result be different because of it?
If there is then I'm mistaken and I've just never heard of it.
HawksWinStanley
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ElectricBlanketFire
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It has the victim's ID, date of birth and initials of the hospital nurse who performed the exam.
Local PD:
I don't know how they can say that with confidence, given the above.
What the commissioner said isn't terribly relevant, because he is just reiterating that what was received from the local PD is accounted for. So it is entirely possible that tampering occurred before the evidence was ever sent to the county.
boiled goose
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There is a reason that juries dont say innocent. Take a logic or epistemology or legal course before talking out of your ass.
Well there goes that theory.
Zen_Arcade
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Or you could try to not be rude to someone who was mistaken about something and willingly admitted it.
There is no reason to be a dick about it. Is this the way you speak to everyone around you who says something that's incorrect?
aygomyownroad
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Disgraceful. Hopefully her testimony and other evidence will help solve the case.
We need to have an enquiry ast o what happened. There must be CCTV footage of the evidence room where the bag was taken from.
We need to have an enquiry ast o what happened. There must be CCTV footage of the evidence room where the bag was taken from.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Dude, he was just asking a question. He even said "if there is then I'm mistaken".
boiled goose
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My apologies.
I was annoyed by your initial reply that amounted to. Nuh uh
I am always happy to discuss but i find it irritating when people simply assert things without really being properly informed, being authorities on a topic, or having thoroughly thought it through.
ThreePiMatt
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If the police department does, in fact, have the original rape kit and packaging then this is a really bad look for the accuser and her attorney. The fact that he immediately went to a public press conference instead of corroborating with the police department/FBI/etc first makes him like he's just trying to drum up some public support.
Who knows, could just be a typo/misprint on the packaging and it was thrown away and a new one was created.
Who knows, could just be a typo/misprint on the packaging and it was thrown away and a new one was created.
Zen_Arcade
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It's alright, thanks for the apology. I'm sorry if I came off as shitty in my first post. You're right, I should have been more detailed with what I was saying.
Squirrel Killer
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I would imagine all three of those details would be readily available to someone close enough to the case to want to intimidate a witness.
Or, as much as I hate to think about this scenario, push the authorities to move more quickly on the case.
kopitarrulez_11
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But voynov is forced to leave the country what a joke
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Nope, he didn't do that.
First thing Kane did was announce that he was co-operating fully with the authorities. The press conference was his first public appearance for a while, the accusation came way before that.
Voynov is a convicted wife beater.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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ARENT All those places heavily guarded with people and lots of cameras?
ElectricBlanketFire
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No attorney in their right mind would make this up out of whole cloth or use this as a publicity stunt. He would be disbarred.
And not a US citizen.
ThreePiMatt
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No, I'm talking about why the accuser's attorney held a press conference about the bag rather than bringing it to the attention of the police first. The attorney is clearly making a case that the evidence was tampered, and the police department is saying they have the rape kit intact. The fact that those two statements contradict each other is a sign that the attorney is bringing this information to light in a press conference and did not consult with the police department or other law enforcement.
nocturnalis
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On mobile, but Patrick's driver is a cop.
http://mobile.buffalonews.com/?arti...anes-driver-on-night-of-alleged-rape-20150815
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