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PC to PS3 Media Streaming (DLNA) Thread
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B-Ri said:
No need for that. I believe it's enable in your router. The problem lies in PS3 sees it as not. As to how to solve it, other than options I already posted, I have no more ideas. Maybe, someone else can help you.
calder said:
Or, maybe, it's nothing to do with UPnP. :lol
Edit: Not sure how Vista Firewall works, but from my pass experiance with other firewalls, sometimes disabling it doesn't really mean it's gone. Since we are short on ideas, tried enabling it, and then, grant totally access to Tversity.
Edit: http://tversity.com/support/quickstart/
The Faceless Master
Member
wrong.knitoe said:
the UPNP setting in the network test page is for UPNP *routers* not UPNP media servers
The Faceless Master said:
Maybe, I don't know what UPnP does, but here's what it says from my router:
It seems the router handles UPnP broadcasting, and if it's not working correctly, I would assume UPnP devices would not show up automatically on other UPnP devices. The other guy has problem with the computer running Tversity not showing up on PS3 and UPnP seems to be unavailable when testing the connection.
knitoe said:
FFDshow is used...I think i know why Xvid was showing up...for some reason if i try to "render media file" with another vid or even the same vid again after the first time, it then says XviD in the flow chart thingy underneth the first rendered file. But if I close out the program and then restart it and click "render media file", it'll always say FFDshow.
I'll try the install latest/official===>uninstall===reinstall k-lite stuff tomorrow...i'm more than a little burned out with this stuff right now...basically spent the whole weekend futzing around with this stuff(I have the type of mind that refuses to let something go that "should" work but doesn't).
The Faceless Master
Member
yeah, a UPNP router will let compatible devices on the network automatically open ports when needed so they work properly behind the router's firewall and network sharing.knitoe said:
not the same thing as a UPNP media server...
it's probably a firewall issue.
both WMP11 and Nero Mediahome seem to automatically configure the windows firewall, while TVersity didn't.
B-Ri said:
I have a Linksys WRT54GS router, and I found that my PS3 would always show UPnP as not available, even thought the "Enable UPnP" box was checked on my router. I decided to update the firmware on the router to the latest available on Linksys's website, and now the PS3's network test shows it as being "Available".
The Linksys firmware update log shows version 4.71.1 as addessing: "- Resolves issue with UPnP security reported through SANE".
So, perhaps try updating your router firmware. (I should also mention that my PS3 is on the DMZ.)
That said, I was able to use TVersity just fine with the old router settings when it said "Not Available", so I'm not totally sure just what the UPnP thing is reporting that I'm able to do now.
Booch said:
i have the latest firmware, just went through linksys on all the ports i need to forward, still it says not availible. TVersity is not showing still
edit:: tversity is allowed through windows firewall, still nothing on the ps3 or 360. When i select Start sharing it says it is already sharing or is unable to, how can i find out if its unable to? When WMP11 was still sharing, when i selected stop sharing on TVersity it would stop sharing period, whats going on here?
S
Shepherd
Unconfirmed Member
Oni Jazar said:
The 360 has resume and 2x,4x,8x fast forwarding.
B-Ri said:
Bare in mind it has to be the specific MediaServer.exe file you have to grant total access to, not the "TVersity Media Server" program thats shows up in the Exception list. You have to go through the C:\Program Files\TVersity etc... to find it.
A friend of mine just solved his "my PS3 cant see shit" problem by doing this.
long story short linksys totally ****ed up my router and now were trying to fix it.
ill fix this and then deal with tversity all over again.
router fixed, settings restored, and mediaserver.exe made an exception
ps3 still cant find tversity, nor can 360.
edit: i was reading the site and it listed a port number to open, i opened it on vista firewall, then while i was doing so on the router, it popped up for a split second on my PS3 then dissapeared. Port 41952
ill fix this and then deal with tversity all over again.
router fixed, settings restored, and mediaserver.exe made an exception
ps3 still cant find tversity, nor can 360.
edit: i was reading the site and it listed a port number to open, i opened it on vista firewall, then while i was doing so on the router, it popped up for a split second on my PS3 then dissapeared. Port 41952
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
TVersity works great, trasncodes everything, plays music playlists, and generally renders my old server of choice (WMP11) completely obsolete. That's great.
What's not so great is that the conversion quality sucks a bit, because everything gets transcoded into MPEG1 (even though the icon says it's MPEG2)
Any idea how can I force transcoding to mpeg2 or mpeg4? Editing the profiles.xml file in the TVersity folder could be the way but I didn't have time to play with that. I only saw that the mpeg profile assigned to PS3 there is called "MPEG16". I don't even know what MPEG16 is supposed to be...
Another thing is, it looks like you can't rewind video until it's once been played completely (and converted into a complete file sitting in TVersity cache), and you can only fastforward it at 1.5x speed before it's been played once completely. Does anyone have this problem or knows the solution?
What's not so great is that the conversion quality sucks a bit, because everything gets transcoded into MPEG1 (even though the icon says it's MPEG2)
Any idea how can I force transcoding to mpeg2 or mpeg4? Editing the profiles.xml file in the TVersity folder could be the way but I didn't have time to play with that. I only saw that the mpeg profile assigned to PS3 there is called "MPEG16". I don't even know what MPEG16 is supposed to be...
Another thing is, it looks like you can't rewind video until it's once been played completely (and converted into a complete file sitting in TVersity cache), and you can only fastforward it at 1.5x speed before it's been played once completely. Does anyone have this problem or knows the solution?
Beer Monkey
Member
I think that the whole streaming/transcoding business is going to really take off. I wasn't planning on buying a new PC for a couple of years but I could totally see grabbing a quad core once we get optimized realtime encoding for them. Bandwidth with a wired network is no big problem, so it's not like we need super tight file sizes.
I've got realtime MPEG-1 working with TVersity right now, I can't see using it for much though. Need more quality, but it's hard to be patient.
FYI all is well with my WRT54GL running Hyperwrt 2.1b1 + Thibor15c. If you have a Linux-upgradeable Linksys (verify this carefully and know the caveats before flashing), consider that route. You'll get router functionality worth hundreds of dollars more than your purchase price.
I've got realtime MPEG-1 working with TVersity right now, I can't see using it for much though. Need more quality, but it's hard to be patient.
FYI all is well with my WRT54GL running Hyperwrt 2.1b1 + Thibor15c. If you have a Linux-upgradeable Linksys (verify this carefully and know the caveats before flashing), consider that route. You'll get router functionality worth hundreds of dollars more than your purchase price.
Christopher
Member
I still can't get this to work...Windows Media Player 11 just doesn't pick it up, as well as the PS3 when scanning for a media server.
I don't get it, I have uPNP as Avaliable, and a NAT 2 so eh I just give up unless anyone knows anything else?
I don't get it, I have uPNP as Avaliable, and a NAT 2 so eh I just give up unless anyone knows anything else?
SlaughterX
Banned
Ok, both my PS3 and PC are connected to my network via wifi. I enabled file sharing to my PS3 on my PC, and I even got my PS3 to connect to my PC for a brief moment once, but I haven't been able to after that. Now ever time I scan for media it disconnects my computer from the internet for a moment. Anyone have any tips for me?
sonycowboy
Member
OK.
I've got a mac (poor me) and I can stream music, photo's, and MPEG2 titles. No MP4 stuff yet. I'm using Twonky and it seems OK. I've also got VLC, but I'm quite sure my 4 year old mac (even poorer me) ain't going to cut it for transcoding on the fly.
1) Is transcoding HD video as much of a no-no as I think it is? How good a system do you need?
2) Has anyone gotten it to work using VLC as the transcoder?
3) Are there any reasonable hardware, NAS or cheap PC servers that will do the job that maybe folks should look at? I'm in the market for a ~500GB drive anyway. I suppose th market hasn't been flying for this DLNA stuff, but ideally I'd like a 500GB NAS that does transcoding on the fly for the larget possible number of codecs to MP4. Then I can just hook it up to whatever PC/Mac I want to download video and store it on that device as an drive extension.
It seems to me that Sony has done a good thing here, but hasn't quite gone far enough. The hardware is obviously capable of decoding every single codec out there regardless of the bit rate and resolution. And the software is already out there. Why put us through this? Microsoft wants Window Media to rule and to push their PC's so I understand their approach. But I've got video in every codec/wrapper out there and I'll be damned if I'm going to convert it to MPEG2/4.
I've got a mac (poor me) and I can stream music, photo's, and MPEG2 titles. No MP4 stuff yet. I'm using Twonky and it seems OK. I've also got VLC, but I'm quite sure my 4 year old mac (even poorer me) ain't going to cut it for transcoding on the fly.
1) Is transcoding HD video as much of a no-no as I think it is? How good a system do you need?
2) Has anyone gotten it to work using VLC as the transcoder?
3) Are there any reasonable hardware, NAS or cheap PC servers that will do the job that maybe folks should look at? I'm in the market for a ~500GB drive anyway. I suppose th market hasn't been flying for this DLNA stuff, but ideally I'd like a 500GB NAS that does transcoding on the fly for the larget possible number of codecs to MP4. Then I can just hook it up to whatever PC/Mac I want to download video and store it on that device as an drive extension.
It seems to me that Sony has done a good thing here, but hasn't quite gone far enough. The hardware is obviously capable of decoding every single codec out there regardless of the bit rate and resolution. And the software is already out there. Why put us through this? Microsoft wants Window Media to rule and to push their PC's so I understand their approach. But I've got video in every codec/wrapper out there and I'll be damned if I'm going to convert it to MPEG2/4.
Short version: TVersity worked excellently well for me and I recommend it:
http://www.tversity.com/
Long version: Just thought I'd put my experiences here. I have an always on Mac where all of my media lives and an always on Windows box used as an HTPC - the Mac and Windows box are connected via 100Mb. I also have an 802.11g wireless router which my PS3 connects to (wirelessly, heh). Finally, I currently have no extra money.
The best solution would probably to run Twonkyvision directly on the Mac but since that requires meseta I decided to try using the HTPC, mapping drives appropriately to the Mac, and streaming those folders with a free UPnP server. First up was Orb, but it only showed pictures; audio and video did not work at all either saying unsupported data or just not connecting.
Next was Windows Media Player 11 - unfortunately the only thing it shared was media on the local machine, even though I had the mapped directories in the WMP Library, and they appeared correct in WMP. Not useful.
Then I remembered I have a boxed copy of Nero 7 Ultra Edition with Nero MediaHome. I installed this and it worked well with pictures and audio (even got cover art with my mp3s, sweet) but video was very hit and miss, most of the time missing. Then I figured I'd upgrade to the latest version from the web... which was a bad idea, as initially after it uninstalled my boxed copy it told me I didn't have the right version of Nero to upgrade... then WHY did you uninstall what I had?? Anyway after cleaning the registry and file system of old Nero files I did get the latest version installed and registered using my retail box key. After all of this, including the hours it took for Nero Scout to index everything the performance was... about the same. Terrific.
Finally I tried TVersity and after a quick installation (including the PS3 patch version 2) and index EVERYTHING was working... the only non-standard thing I had to do was change which user the Windows service used to start - it had to be an account that had access to my shared drives. Once I did that and added my mapped drives I was golden - I even upped the max video resolution to 640x480 and image resolution to 1920x1080 and got quick startups with smooth playback everytime. Well most of the time, occassionally I do have to restart the HTPC or PS3 but that has only been once or twice, so overall I believe I had found my solution. I was able to even watch some of my episodic Xvid AVI anime via Remote Play on my PSP with little to no skipping - and it looked GORGEOUS. I'm really looking forward to PSP (D_A) firmware 3.5 so I can stream everything from the IntrarTheWeb!
Conclusion: Forget everything else, I spent days working on this with spotty results from 3 other UPnP servers and by far the best, most reliable (free, no gil required) Windows solution that works with networked shares is TVersity. Transcoding FTW!
http://www.tversity.com/
Long version: Just thought I'd put my experiences here. I have an always on Mac where all of my media lives and an always on Windows box used as an HTPC - the Mac and Windows box are connected via 100Mb. I also have an 802.11g wireless router which my PS3 connects to (wirelessly, heh). Finally, I currently have no extra money.
The best solution would probably to run Twonkyvision directly on the Mac but since that requires meseta I decided to try using the HTPC, mapping drives appropriately to the Mac, and streaming those folders with a free UPnP server. First up was Orb, but it only showed pictures; audio and video did not work at all either saying unsupported data or just not connecting.
Next was Windows Media Player 11 - unfortunately the only thing it shared was media on the local machine, even though I had the mapped directories in the WMP Library, and they appeared correct in WMP. Not useful.
Then I remembered I have a boxed copy of Nero 7 Ultra Edition with Nero MediaHome. I installed this and it worked well with pictures and audio (even got cover art with my mp3s, sweet) but video was very hit and miss, most of the time missing. Then I figured I'd upgrade to the latest version from the web... which was a bad idea, as initially after it uninstalled my boxed copy it told me I didn't have the right version of Nero to upgrade... then WHY did you uninstall what I had?? Anyway after cleaning the registry and file system of old Nero files I did get the latest version installed and registered using my retail box key. After all of this, including the hours it took for Nero Scout to index everything the performance was... about the same. Terrific.
Finally I tried TVersity and after a quick installation (including the PS3 patch version 2) and index EVERYTHING was working... the only non-standard thing I had to do was change which user the Windows service used to start - it had to be an account that had access to my shared drives. Once I did that and added my mapped drives I was golden - I even upped the max video resolution to 640x480 and image resolution to 1920x1080 and got quick startups with smooth playback everytime. Well most of the time, occassionally I do have to restart the HTPC or PS3 but that has only been once or twice, so overall I believe I had found my solution. I was able to even watch some of my episodic Xvid AVI anime via Remote Play on my PSP with little to no skipping - and it looked GORGEOUS. I'm really looking forward to PSP (D_A) firmware 3.5 so I can stream everything from the IntrarTheWeb!
Conclusion: Forget everything else, I spent days working on this with spotty results from 3 other UPnP servers and by far the best, most reliable (free, no gil required) Windows solution that works with networked shares is TVersity. Transcoding FTW!
sonycowboy said:
1) With 4 years old mac? no chance. With reasonably recent PC? hardly, maybe quad core with optimized codecs.
2) It works, but only manually. i.e. you select a file in VLC and stream to some localhost port, where twonky media can pick it up and stream to PS3. No way to do it automatically so far, I'm afraid. Ideally, VLC Upnp plugin would be optimal for the whole thing, but its still in very early beta and with no progress within last year. .p Maybe PS3 will give it a push.
3) No idea, I know there are some DLNA complaint NAS devices, but its a question if they would work flawlessly with PS3. Unlike PC, its not so easy to play with settings, OSes and codecs there.
Basically all I need from my PS3 now (in media center sense) its divx and xvid support (and fixing a few bugs). I hope they do working on it now, I can live with converting new stuff, but my old archives are on CDs and no way I can be forced to recode and rewrite them, especially because they most likely will not fit in the same size.
sonycowboy said:
what format is your HD video in? Its relatively trivial using VLC to convert MPEG2 flavours of HD into the correct container format for the PS3. eg .ts, VOB etc. Only takes a minute or so, as no actual conversion of video is done.
And even an older PC/Mac should be able to stream HD, as it isn't doing any transcoding, just dumping stuff down the pipe.
Ok, updated the first post with few tips regarding TVersity.
After few iterations of this patch TVersity is now VERY viable option. With proper configuration you can stream anything from WMV to XViD with a decent quality (limited only by your PC power and connection speed). Installation of it is rather straightforward, I'll just try to cover some most common problems that people encounter with it:
First, you NEED ffdshow installed. Best results obtained with ffdshow rev. 802.
http://sourceforge.net/project/down...me=ffdshow_rev802_20070120_clsid.exe&42211223
If after the installation of TVersity AND ffdshow you still get unsupported type of error, consider downloading Graphedt.exe:
http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/showsoftware_graphedit_141.html
It will show you in detail whats going on with your video and were the problem is. If this program plays your video on PC fine, but not on PS3, then you have a access/permission somewhere. One of the common problems - running tversity media server service not under account with administration rights. To check it do the following - stop sharing in tversity. Go to tversity folder and run "mediaserver.exe -debug" . Try again if you can stream. If you still fail (but graphedt plays video fine) - its a firewall/router problem then. As reported in this thread, some were able to get it working by disabling windows media network sharing service on firewall.
By default, TVersity recodes everything to MPEG1, dont be surprised. MPEG2 and 4 much more demanding in terms of PC power for recoding, and, while you change the recoding to mpeg2, for example, it still do not work properly with current version of tversity, do not bother.
After few iterations of this patch TVersity is now VERY viable option. With proper configuration you can stream anything from WMV to XViD with a decent quality (limited only by your PC power and connection speed). Installation of it is rather straightforward, I'll just try to cover some most common problems that people encounter with it:
First, you NEED ffdshow installed. Best results obtained with ffdshow rev. 802.
http://sourceforge.net/project/down...me=ffdshow_rev802_20070120_clsid.exe&42211223
If after the installation of TVersity AND ffdshow you still get unsupported type of error, consider downloading Graphedt.exe:
http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/showsoftware_graphedit_141.html
It will show you in detail whats going on with your video and were the problem is. If this program plays your video on PC fine, but not on PS3, then you have a access/permission somewhere. One of the common problems - running tversity media server service not under account with administration rights. To check it do the following - stop sharing in tversity. Go to tversity folder and run "mediaserver.exe -debug" . Try again if you can stream. If you still fail (but graphedt plays video fine) - its a firewall/router problem then. As reported in this thread, some were able to get it working by disabling windows media network sharing service on firewall.
By default, TVersity recodes everything to MPEG1, dont be surprised. MPEG2 and 4 much more demanding in terms of PC power for recoding, and, while you change the recoding to mpeg2, for example, it still do not work properly with current version of tversity, do not bother.
Even if late in saying it, I feel I need to say Bravo for this thread. The first post has become overtime something really awesome with all the tips and info.
And I need to run that Graphedit program to check why my ffdshow isn't working in transcoding with TVersity.
EDIT: Wow finally using "mediaserver.exe -debug" my Xvid video are playing on my PS3!
I find it funny that without the -debug line videos keep giving me the unsupported data, I wonder why that is.
Being able to watch DN on my TV (until they release DVDs in my country) is priceless.
This thread is so awesome <3.
And I need to run that Graphedit program to check why my ffdshow isn't working in transcoding with TVersity.
EDIT: Wow finally using "mediaserver.exe -debug" my Xvid video are playing on my PS3!
I find it funny that without the -debug line videos keep giving me the unsupported data, I wonder why that is.
Being able to watch DN on my TV (until they release DVDs in my country) is priceless.
This thread is so awesome <3.
Lain said:
I believe thats because mediaserver service needs to be run under account with admin rights. You can set the service to run under admin log on under service manegment tab in Administrations Tools, so you dont need to type -debug after every reboot.
Also, another tip for people that still cant get it working. Make sure you have ffdshow doing decoding for you, not other codecs. Easiest way is to check the settings of ffdshow and set it as a default decoder for all formats. It is also asked in the end of ffdshow installation.
Once you get basic avi streaming working, you can try to install additional filters to increase performance or add additional formats. Here is what recommended by tversity guys:
* ffdshow - for MPEG2/4, H.264, Divx, Xvid, AAC, FLAC, Vorbis, FLV, and many more
* Haali Media Splitter - for better MP4 and H.264 support and for OGG/OGM and Matroska.
* Real Alternative - for Real audio and video.
* Quicktime Alternative - for MOV.
* MP4 Source/Splitter* - for better MOV support.
* FLV Splitter* - required for FLV playback (a more recent version with support for FLV4/VP62 is here - courtesy of videohelp.com).
* AC3 Filter - recommended for better AC3 support (in which case AC3 should be disbaled in ffdshow).
But only get into it when you get your basic playback working.
Just a heads up to GNU/Linux and OSX users.
Sunday night, the developers of MediaTomb updated their software to work with PS3.
There was an error that made media files show up as "Unrecognized Type" on the PS3, but with the new update, the software works perfectly. Once the software is installed, you need to open the config.xml file and add this line to the "<server>" section:
<protocolInfo extend="yes"/>
After that, you should be aces. MediaTomb has an awesome web-based management tool, so you can add shared folders easily.
The guy who made the patch told me that Sony's client software requires DNLA compatibility beyond the usual upnp support. Usually, DNLA devices are backward compatible with upnp and because the DNLA spec requires a substantial license fee, free implementations don't bother with DNLA support. Apparently, MediaTomb was patched to work by adding just a few additional XML tags during the PS3 handshake process.
Transcoding is not yet available, but it is a planned feature, very impressive for a Free, open source application.
http://mediatomb.cc/
Sunday night, the developers of MediaTomb updated their software to work with PS3.
There was an error that made media files show up as "Unrecognized Type" on the PS3, but with the new update, the software works perfectly. Once the software is installed, you need to open the config.xml file and add this line to the "<server>" section:
<protocolInfo extend="yes"/>
After that, you should be aces. MediaTomb has an awesome web-based management tool, so you can add shared folders easily.
The guy who made the patch told me that Sony's client software requires DNLA compatibility beyond the usual upnp support. Usually, DNLA devices are backward compatible with upnp and because the DNLA spec requires a substantial license fee, free implementations don't bother with DNLA support. Apparently, MediaTomb was patched to work by adding just a few additional XML tags during the PS3 handshake process.
Transcoding is not yet available, but it is a planned feature, very impressive for a Free, open source application.
http://mediatomb.cc/
Beer Monkey
Member
Has anybody gotten 1080i .TS working? I thought that the PS3 even had native support for local playback (though only with joined files and under 4GB, which greatly limits the useability for local play). I figured through streaming maybe it would be no problem.
Kinan said:
Ok, i'm about to try that...as of now, by some magic I finally got XviDs to work...but unfortunately not divx...I installed the latest divx and then uninstalled it as recommended to me earlier(which got rid of my busted Divx 5.2 or whatever codec)...and then uninstalled and reinstalled the klite codec pack. I then used GraphEdit again on the files i was trying to get working and they showed up as using ffdshow. But as stated, the damn divx stuff doesn't work. These are divx files i made myself using virtual dub using the 4.02 codec.
Kinan said:
Ugh, even that simple crap is not working...it's telling me "C
rograms" can't be found(even though i'm telling the retard "C:\Program Files"...i've even copy and pasted the direct link from explorer and it tells me the same thing...i'm convinced this computer was made in hell.OmniGamer said:Ugh, even that simple crap is not working...it's telling me "C
Put it in quotes.
OmniGamer said:
Try searching for 'illiminable'. It is a directshow video filter for divx, xvid, etc. Just installing ffdshow doesn't get you all the way there ... and some of the codec packs aren't always the best way to go (some have old crap that overwrites other things).