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Man, I hope not.Some people are massively, massively overestimating the power of the next Xbox and Playstation.
I don't know if my heart can take another underwhelming E3.
Man, I hope not.Some people are massively, massively overestimating the power of the next Xbox and Playstation.
It's especially funny since a fair amount of code is in unreal script, lisp, javascript, lua, etc which are interpreted and not coded to the metal.Some people are massively, massively overestimating the power of the next Xbox and Playstation.
Art design will make the games look a lot better, and there's optimizations to be had, but using the same "coding to the metal" talking points is getting annoying. There's no substance there.
Do you really believe that level of visual fidelity is what can be expected from first gen titles from consoles? Perhaps at 720p or dynamic resolution and with FXAA.
Some people are massively, massively overestimating the power of the next Xbox and Playstation.
Art design will make the games look a lot better, and there's optimizations to be had, but using the same "coding to the metal" talking points is getting annoying. There's no substance there.
What? What gave you that impression?
Also, what info would lead you to make such a comparative analysis?
I am not saying my I7 and GTX 680 are good for 6 years ... I am saying my rig will run the next wave of games that come from the new consoles very easily. Obviously I will have to upgrade in the next few years. So many ppl in this thread are expecting consoles to be packing top level hardware and its just not going to happen.
I plan on buying a new pc or building one soon anyway , constant cycle man. Again the point is that new consoles won't even have hardware that is equal to what I have in my current PC.
Let's just be real some folks love consoles and do not wish to get into PC's for whatever reasons. There is a lot of hope floating around but you are not going to see a console with a 680 or 690 in it.
If Durango has that 8850-level GPU and a CPU with 16 threads... yeah, it will be pretty damn top level.
Save this thread and we can reply back when it comes out. Highly doubt you will see that level.of hardware. Hope so since I will be buying it myself, but very doubtful.
That's actually a pretty reasonable expectation for both next gen systems based off the rumors we currently have. I have a feeling that RAM will be the only notable difference between them.
Hoping either of these consoles will have a card that is a 7870 or above... that is not really a reasonable expectation in my mind. Again I am buying both of these consoles, so bring it on. But I just don't see how it's possible with cost constraints and power consumption.
Assuming the 8850 level GPU he was speaking of is in regards to the AMD 8850 that isn't even out yet, if I am wrong on this then disregard this post because I don't know what he's talking about then.
Hoping either of these consoles will have a card that is a 7870 or above... that is not really a reasonable expectation in my mind. Again I am buying both of these consoles, so bring it on. But I just don't see how it's possible with cost constraints and power consumption.
Assuming the 8850 level GPU he was speaking of is in regards to the AMD 8850 that isn't even out yet, if I am wrong on this then disregard this post because I don't know what he's talking about then.
The 8850/8870 models are this year's pictairn equivalent and they'll be more powerful than the 7870, as well as smaller and more energy efficient. They're prime candidates for use in consoles.
Supposedly AMD is going power conscience for their next gen. I don't think they'll havea 8850 in them either but it doesn't hurt to let the dreamers dream.
I wonder about that. I guess we'll see how my 670 will hold up. I would actually hope it's too weak by the end of next-gen. I didn't get into PC gaming to keep the same hardware for 5-7 years.
Supposedly AMD is going energy conscience for their next gen. I don't think they'll have a 8850 in them either but it doesn't hurt to let the dreamers dream.
I think we'll see that for launch. I'm expecting it at 720p with decreased AA, at 30 fps.
It may have run on multiple 680s, but I think we'll see extensive optimization from the last time it was shown right up until launch to achieve that (a lot can can change in 18 months).
I think a lot of people are underestimating just how much can change in the visual realm with enough efficient optimization and tweaking. If I recall correctly Tim Sweeney said it took tri-SLI 580s to run Samaritan and with some optimization over the course of a few months they got it to run on a single 680.
8850 looks like a great candidate to base Durango's GPU on.
Last gen 360 was pretty powerful at launch, there could be a bigger gap next gen between a gaming PC and 720 at launch.This is EXACTLY the type of stuff I'm talking about. This of course will happen again unfortunately. I've seen this happen every gen pretty much.
If sony and microsoft are aiming to repeat this generation, then i think we will end up with some really high end consoles.
Buuuut... i think going for a repeat is a huge mistake.
Core gamers may not mind paying $399-$499 for a console but the people who bought the PS2 and then the Wii won't go for it, regardless of how great it looks.
its been a super long generation. What are you on about?
who cares about the ps2+wii people.
I don't even believe new games will come out on PC, since our rigs won't play them anyway.
Slow pickup is bad for developers. Increased cost and slow adaptation is a bad mix. It's partly what killed so many devs early on.its been a super long generation. What are you on about?
who cares about the ps2+wii people.
If sony and microsoft are aiming to repeat this generation, then i think we will end up with some really high end consoles.
Buuuut... i think going for a repeat is a huge mistake.
Core gamers may not mind paying $399-$499 for a console but the people who bought the PS2 and then the Wii won't go for it, regardless of how great it looks.
Slow pickup is bad for developers. Increased cost and slow adaptation is a bad mix. It's partly what killed so many devs early on.
8850 looks like a great candidate to base Durango's GPU on.
I am not saying that this list should be a bannable offense... I am just saying people posting this should be kicked in the nuts.
That won't happen. Ever.
Lower power
Higher performance
Larger die
Lower price
No.
I am not saying that this list should be a bannable offense... I am just saying people posting this should be kicked in the nuts.
That won't happen. Ever.
Lower power
Higher performance
Larger die
Lower price
No.
Price might not be far off, and MS/Sony wouldn't pay anywhere near that anyway.Lower Power and higher performance is believable. The price is so wrong though lol.
Correct if wrong, but, are some people thinking that these new consoles will be put together in the next few months? If these two system are going to be in stores this year, the silicon must be finished by now, and in production. It's no just taking "of-the-shelf" parts, putting them on a box and sent the word to the developers...
Also, designing these systems takes time, so, they may use GPUs from.... 2011 (don't freak out!).
Well, go kick a mod in the nuts, because he posted a link that talks about those same "leaked" specs of the 8850. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45838726&postcount=4961
Price might not be far off, and MS/Sony wouldn't pay anywhere near that anyway.
I am not saying that this list should be a bannable offense... I am just saying people posting this should be kicked in the nuts.
That won't happen. Ever.
Lower power
Higher performance
Larger die
Lower price
No.
I am not saying those specs are accurate my any means but lower power for higher performance or more performance per watt have been the trend when it comes to advancement of GPU.
I swear to god some people in this thread must have started gaming this gen, cause the rest of us has seen this happen every gen already.
To get back to the original point of this thread:
When the Xbox 360 was released, the TDP of a high-end GPU was 120 Watts.
When the next generation of consoles will release, the TDP of a high-end GPU will be 300 Watts.
That's the central issue with extrapolating 1:1 from the current generation to the upcoming one.
Correct if wrong, but, are some people thinking that these new consoles will be put together in the next few months? If these two system are going to be in stores this year, the silicon must be finished by now, and in production. It's no just taking "of-the-shelf" parts, putting them on a box and sent the word to the developers...
Also, designing these systems takes time, so, they may use GPUs from.... 2011 (don't freak out!).
So, if I get it right from your statement than PCs are going to be more power hungry than ever, needing ridiculous cooling-systems with lots of fans just because their hardware is inefficient as hell? Just to play the games in higher resolutions and with more frames?
I beg to differ.The fans in GPUs are loud, but heat in the case isnt an issue for any decent rig as good rigs have full towers. Thus, they have a lot of space for air flow. Consoles on the other hand will never have as much space as a full tower.
If I recall correctly Tim Sweeney said it took tri-SLI 580s to run Samaritan and with some optimization over the course of a few months they got it to run on a single 680.
Heavy talks about the last game made with PCs in mind - like consoles never existed and the devs did not have to think about console RAM or CPU etc.
Well I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'd love, like for real, if a $500 console blew my pc that cost me several times that away. Who wouldn't?
I am not saying those specs are accurate by any means but lower power for higher performance or more performance per watt have been the trend when it comes to advancement of GPU.
i'm not worried, it seems like most of the more talented developers are moving out of realism in visuals and making more room for stylization, which should yield better results for lower power.