PCs are better than consoles argument tree
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DrROBschiz
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Yup
Old arguments are old
I am far more intersting in recent trends. PC Market is still massive but isnt as outward about its size form a marketing perspective.... but thats because of its agnostic and independent nature
Outside of the whole Steam machine push its still very much a mass enthusiast platform that serves thousands of micro communities.
There is no collective audience per se. Sony and MS platforms thrive on that cohesivness i guess?
Gipsy Danger
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Where are you from? If you don't mind me asking.
JordanN
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Worth of each company:
Sony:
Market Cap: $34.2 Billion
Microsoft
Market Cap: $375.59 Billion
Nintendo
Market Cap: $25.17 Billion
As you said, there's no single PC spokesperson or advertising, so that's a huge uphill battle. But if that's your thing, I wont stop you.
I wonder how many people didn't click the link and thought you were being an elitist snob
Hi mate, GTA V is 54m, since 3m are on Pc you know the rest.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/10/grand-theft-auto-5-has-now-sold-54-million-copies
Here you do simple maths and you can see that Call of Duty has been selling nuts.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/175-million-call-of-duty-games-sold-to-date-still-/1100-6426188/
And here you can see how Fifa 15 was still selling nuts this year on EU alone.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1113089
DrROBschiz
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I think its safe to say that PC space is very similar to Mobile space
Its unimaginably big and diverse and damn near ubiquitous in every household
I often find consoles/PC tough to compare in that respect since its hard to get a complete grasp of the big picture
Its unimaginably big and diverse and damn near ubiquitous in every household
I often find consoles/PC tough to compare in that respect since its hard to get a complete grasp of the big picture
Denton
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Man, MS is worth ten Sonys ? Holy crap.
derExperte
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Not the worst but a fine example for why the holier-than-thou attitude by a whole bunch of consoleGAFers has become quite grating and is much more prevalent than any actual 'elitist' behavior others are getting accused of constantly. Specifically that poster has a knack for appearing in PC-centric threads for all the wrong reasons.
Exact same thing happened to me. Maybe it's because of trophies/achievements, maybe it's due to the premium price console titles tend to go for (and therefore try to get my moneys worth)... but my Steam collection is over 200, and I've barely scratched the surface of a lot of big titles from the past several years: Dishonored, Fallout 3 and NV, Skyrim, Borderlands series, XCOM, Deus Ex... barely scratched Divinity OS, played most of Pillars of Eternity.. I tend to play mainly Valve and Blizzard games. The more single player focused games I have a hard time focusing on.
I've adapted this mentality of finish what I buy with the PS4, and haven't purchased any major releases since I got my PS4 in July. I'm about 2/3 through Bloodborne, probably halfway through Batman, barely touched FF:T0, played lots of D3:RoS.
The whole argument though of PC vs Consoles is very tiring through. For me personally I prefer PC simply for the endless BC more than anything else (I'll just play Lunar and FF12 on my PC if developers don't want my money).
thelastword
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I disagree Steve. I think the one thing we must remember is that the discussion between consoles has gone back a long way. It went back as far as the difference in street fighter on the nes vs genesis, which one looked better, had richer colors, sound or response. So console gamers have always been interested in framerates and settings and what looked better over the other, it's just that this gen in particular, consoles gamers have been subjected to many subpar ports. Games that could have been 60fps are not and games that could run at higher presets do not.
I don't think console gamers need to abandon console gaming because they air out their dissatisfaction with such efforts, they're just trying to improve the standard for console development and trying to get devs to at least use the capabilities of the hardware in the consoles, nothing more. I don't think the expectation is that they want devs to pull out a 980ti type of effort form the PS4, just that they use the onboard 7870 hybrid GPU in the system. It is now easier to tell when the GPU in the PS4 is under-performing, especially when you realize a lower end PC GPU (750ti or low-med 7850) is running games at 60fps with better presets, whilst the PS4 runs a similar game at 30fps with bad filtering.
So the problem this gen is that the developers are not maximizing their efforts on consoles, which is ironic, because everybody believed that the prior console (PS3) got bad ports because it was hard to develop for, yet this generation I'm seeing more bad ports than I saw two years into the PS3 lifecycle......Even the PS2 which was hard to develop for had more 60fps games too. So perhaps the easy to develop approach for this gen's consoles was not a good idea afterall.......
In any case, I don't think UC4, was ever going to be 60fps, I understand that the developer may have wanted to deliver 60fps at some point, but I believe the backlash would have been bad with people saying the visuals are not that much better than the collection or the previous games. I know I prefer 30fps for a ground up uncharted, send all the visuals bells and whistle my way, with great physics and detail littered about. It also happens to be the largest and most open ended UC yet, so a pull for 60fps would have lessened the visual impact too much and I think most PS4 owners agree that they want the best visual detail at 30fps. A 4k 60fps release is probably on the cards for PS5, but I tend to think console gamers want the best that can be offered relative to the hardware they have at that point in time.
Israel. Consoles didn't have any sort of official presence here until the Playstation, and that was pretty expensive back then. The PS2 was super popular, but the PS3 not as much. Xbox didn't launch here until a couple of years back and there is no official Nintendo presence.
It seems that the PS4 is doing well here, but almost everyone I know plays on PC.
The 3 million number is solely Steam copies, which were only available from Steam and the most expensive option as well.
The total PC number is likely 4-6 million, which is competitive if you break the sales numbers down per SKU. Especially considering the game will continually generate revenue for decades die to the inherent backwards compatibility of the platform.
Gipsy Danger
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Thanks, I'll give these a read.
Also, GTAV was on 3million only on Steam. If you bought the game anywhere other than Steam you got a Rockstar Social Club key which will probably be a higher number than Steam itself.
It's still incredibly disingenuous to compare games which have 4 consoles SKUs against the 1 PC SKU. Especially with FIFA and CoD since they are well known as console franchises and never do well on PC. GTA is a fair enough comparison, although it did get released years after the original console versions.
NoblesseOblige
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I still can't get my DS4 to work quite as nice on my PC as it does PS4. It's part of the reason I went with MGSV on PS4 first, because I had more trouble playing GZ on PC than on PS4. I'll eventually pick it up for PC. I haven't owned a Microsoft console since the original Xbox, so I'm not as comfortable with the button layout, and too lazy to learn it (though I am considering picking up an elite controller and finally doing so). In any case, I mostly have a console for a couple exclusives. PC is my main gaming device.
Louis Cyphre
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And this doesn't happen when talking about consoles? Each side doesn't need to validate anything since the market shows there is an audience who prefers both sides.
GTA isnt Steam only? My bad then, so we can say 5m on Pc so give it or take 49m on Consoles mate.
Just to clarify, most games are Steam only these days with Keys and all so didnt know GTA was different.
DrROBschiz
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Yeah
Both sides of the argument need to take off the blinders and accept their own bias so that the conversation can move to the more interesting aspects of the debate lol
Ask for help if you aren't technically oriented, DS4 has some compatibility issues with Win 10 but there are workarounds available.
Can't even have a general PC discussion on gaming side anymore without viHuGi derailing the thread.
I swear I've seen him in every general thread since he joined.
Thats not how arguing numbers works.
Mobile is freaking awesome. It just takes effort because the good stuff might not be so visible, but there are plenty of sites that showcase the best stuff. Currently playing Horizon Chase and Kero Blaster Zangyou - top notch games without ads or IAPs.
Will you answer his point about putting 4SKUs against 1 SKU or rather not, im interested in what you have to say and you seem to be ignoring it mate
Gipsy Danger
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Assuming that is the case, it's worth pointing out that GTA came out a year and a half earlier on PS3/360 and half a year on PS4/Xbone. It's still not really a fair comparison. But to be fair, I was never comparing the two, I was just stating that PC isn't as niche as people make it out to be. Especially when stuff like MGSV can sell similar to a single console SKU just like many games can. Ok, mate.
MrCunningham
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I would say it is pretty much justified when I can use the same machine for gaming, work and a media hub. I can customize it in any way I please without voiding any warranties (relatively, some OC'ing does) or breaking any contracts with large corporations.
But I still think console gaming will still be relevant too. It is dedicated hardware that satisfies a lower price point. Games are guaranteed to get the same performance across the boards and comparability issues are much less a problem. They are still an easy solution for the majority of people.
Both have their places.
DrROBschiz
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Its almost silly to call PC a "single platform" honestly
Its such a multiheaded beast within itself. I think people dont understand the Scale of the space it occupies.
I think the software crossover throws people off
Krauser Kat
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i thought the way the arguments and how the site formats arguments was cool but now seeing this thread i should have realized what this would have become.
Transistor
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The majority of the thread seems to be people praising the "like what you want" argument, which is what it should be. =P
NoblesseOblige
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I've spent at least two dozen hours troubleshooting and trying to resolve it, both on my own, and asking for help all around. It does work, but not as well as it does on the actual console. I don't know if it's my hardware, the software, a combination of both, or something entirely different. I'm not too willing to invest much more time into it when I could just be enjoying a game instead. I probably won't even use a controller on PC again until Dark Souls 2 finally drops into my preferred pay point. I prefer KB+M most the time anyway, there's just a couple games that a controller feels better with.
Edit: Also I was running 8.1. I haven't tried DS4 on 10 quite yet.
BennyBlanco
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Exactly this. Consoles are cheap. I have a ps4 and a Wii U but PC is what I use the most. 60 FPS multiplats are the main reason for me.
Steve Youngblood
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That's great. I liked that when I was concerned that the Witcher 3 wasn't all that and a side of fries with my 770 card, I could look at my financial situation and decide that a 980 Ti was within my reach. And while console players were having ups and downs with every patch in regards to whether the performance was acceptable or not, the only setting I was struggling with was whether to turn HairWorks on or off as I had everything else maxed out at 1200p with mostly 60fps performance.
Suffice to say, I don't share your assessment on what I want out of console graphics. I mean, I'm fine with playing console exclusives. But if I had a different option I'd take it.
This is not fact, as it's very much a "when you buy it" thing. If you're all about dat zeitgeist, you likely want a game at launch. On consoles, you can rent, you can trade-in, you can sell on eBay/Craigslist, and so on.
This, thus, becomes a preference. Sure, if you can be patient and you like to own games, PC is cheaper. But, again, this comes down to the person.
Basically, it doesn't matter, enjoy what you want, like you said.
Some of us live in places where it's extremely hard.
ScepticMatt
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This website user interface is fucking awful to navigate with a keyboard.
Gipsy Danger
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Are you using DS4 Windows, another 3rd party program or just trying to plug it straight in? I played through all of MGSV on Win 10 with a DS4 and it worked fine on DS4Windows.
DrROBschiz
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Yup
the economics of a platform is highly dependent on the individual
You could argue one over the other but that requires detailing a specific circumstance first
This is the only argument about it that needs to happen:
Yup.
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It's commonly used by white supremacists to this day, including some that wish to continue with ethnic cleansing.
AntiFacebook
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PC has many games that I like and aren't on consoles, or the consoles have inferior versions of them.
how long have you had a steam account? just curious.
Yeah, because you can't plugin a 360 controller and put it near your balls or wherever and feel the shooting just like mama console!
Some of these arguments are stupid.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Problem I have with it is that it instantly gets recognized as a D input controller and everything registers as 2 button presses.
I just went back to w7 for the time being. I'll go back to w10 when they release the xbone wireless dongle.
NoblesseOblige
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I tried DS4 windows and some fork of it. Like I said, it 'worked' it just didn't work as well. Also it was for Ground Zeroes, not TPP. TPP may have improved compatibility or other tweaks to make it feel better. I'll figure that out when it's on a steam sale in a year or two.
I'll bug the people in a more appropriate thread the next time I want to use a controller on PC. Not interested in visiting the issue in further depth at the moment, because it's not an issue for me at the moment (since I'm not doing any controller gaming on my PCs).
John Kowalski
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that website is pretty cool
Nailed it.
Break it down by manufacturer.
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