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[Dreams-Visions]

Also easier to purchase. I want to play MGS V, its available for these consoles and PC. Buy that console, the game, and maybe PS+ or Live.

For PC, good luck not having any prior PC experience. You go to the store and good chance they have gaming PCs with out dated tech or an exorbitant price that might not even be better than a PS4. But maybe that person is smart enough to do their research. Now they will spend hours learning about Intel vs AMD;why intels cores are better than AMD, NVidia vs AMD; why teraflops aren't everything; Gsync vs freesync; SSD vs. a typical HD, DDR4 vs DDR3 etc. etc. etc. MAYBE they find a forum like neogaf and get great advice maybe they go somewhere with outdated advice, who knows.

Sounds like a lot of effort. Or, just buy the best PC you can afford with a GPU someone might recommend. Or just buy something preconfigured from Dell or HP like I did. Install game --> play game. That Nvidia Experience application can do your settings for you.

It's not about this thread. This "PC is superior" is brought up in nearly every single console discussion, where it really has no place.

This isn't the thread to vent about your experience in other threads. But since you're here, feel fee to point out some of the recent and misplaced "PC is superior" comments in threads where they shouldn't be. I'm pretty sure I never see those 3 words put together in a thread on GAF, ever. Outside of threads specifically about what makes PCs better (like this thread) and maybe Faceoff threads. Naturally people will post screenshots of PC versions of multiplat games in appropriate threads and they will look superior to console versions. Acknowledging so is just living in reality. People don't go out of their way by and large; the framerates and images tend to speak for themselves.

 

[mr2xxx]

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As a console guy who wants the benefits of PC gaming, this is where I am leaning:

The lines are being blurred more and more.

This is what I have, looks great in center console and fits full sized parts.

Just don't be this guy ;p

Well, this is mine:

The Couchmaster can quite easily be packed away when not in use.

 

[dude]

So nobody mentioned the console exclusives?

Halo, Forza, Uncharted, Mario, Zelda, GT and so on.....

So if you prefer these kind of games you need to buy a console, aren't you?

Come on, this swings both ways. I mean, PC has exclusive genres. If you prefer RTSs you need to buy a PC, If you want to play MOBAs, If you want P&CA games, isometric WRPGs, Grand Strategy, 4X...
Not to mention the wealth of indies you can only find on PC.

Every platform has exclusives, and it's a matter of preferance which you'd want.

 

[Moon_frogger]

Been on PC for a year about to pick up one of those sweet sweet consoles probably PlayStation four because I need that blood-borne

 

[Occam]

Interesting how except for the second sentence my post was completely ignored.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=181524639&postcount=599

 

[AgeEighty]

is this irony, or a happy coincidence that your subjective desire to express identity and aesthetics line up with the stunted homunculi of Nintenworld?

Nice phrasing, but you're wrong on both counts. I like Miis a lot. I was one of those guys who made ones that got circulated around the web. I managed to come up with a lot of really great likenesses of famous people and things. I still have them up on their own web page. The simplicity of Miis, combined with the surprising flexibility of the editor, are precisely what drew me to them. The only reason a lot of Miis look shitty is because most people didn't put much effort into them.

As for why it's my avatar, someone did a "make your Mii your avatar" thing some months ago and I've been too lazy to change it to something else.

Same, I'll often eschew my prescription glasses to avoid feeling disorientated. I'll sometimes where active-shutter 3D glasses to cut down on effective frame rate IRL too, things just feels better that way ;-)

Yes, yes, it's very easy to mock what you don't have experience with; we all know this.

When people are leaning hard against the notion that objective things are objectively better, it suggests cognitive dissonance to me. Most console gamers will be all over that improved hardware performance, on the proviso that their vendor of choice has made it available to them. "Cerny! Dat GDDR5! More power for Naughty Gods!"

You misunderstand. I'm all for better performance, better graphics and better experiences. But having a game screen in front of my face, at ultra display settings, makes me motion sick. I don't have this problem when things are toned down a bit. Why? I don't know! Since you are apparently an expert, you tell me.

Point is, your "objectively better" things are not necessarily better for everyone, which kind of, well... isn't what objective means. "Objective" doesn't leave room for 1% variance, or 5% variance, or whatever.

 

[ironcreed]

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This is what I have, looks great in center console and fits full sized parts.

That is actually quite classy.

 

[Grief.exe]

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This is what I have, looks great in center console and fits full sized parts.

I love the minimalist look of HTPC cases.

I'm planning on turning my current build into an HTPC when I finally upgrade. Put in some extremely quiet fans and I'm in business.

 

[Tadie]

Come on, thing swings both ways. I mean, PC has exclusive genres
If you prefer RTSs you need to buy a PC, If you want to play MOBAs, If you want P&C games, isometric WRPGs, Grand Strategy, 4X...
And this is not even getting into the wealth of indies you can only find on PC.

Yep, so just buy the device where you can play the games you like.

Or buy all devices if you prefer all games.....

 

[MUnited83]

Well, I have actually done this and yes, technically you are right. But to be able to play modern games would require a full PC upgrade as I would need a new graphics card and my current PC can't be upgraded any further.

Basically to be able to game in a way that is relaxing and enjoyable like my consoles it would require a significant investment. Its funny to me how many people don't understand this reasoning.

I have gone and gotten myself involved in an argument that I don't really care to continue in though. Sorry folks.

It's "funny" that people don't understand a reasoning that you only brought up in this post? People aren't fortune tellers or mind-readers i'd say, if you want for people to understand your reasoning then you might want to actually say your reasoning first...

 

[Frag Waffles]

I see the great debate rages on with no end in sight. I dabble in PC gaming and recognize its obvious advantages over consoles but at the end of the day I'm all about consoles - the exclusive software choices on consoles is vastly more appealing to me than that of PC exclusives. My opinion isn't anymore correct than anyone else's.

 

[mr2xxx]

Sounds like a lot of effort. Or, just buy the best PC you can afford with a GPU someone might recommend. Or just buy something preconfigured from Dell or HP like I did. Install game --> play game. That Nvidia Experience application can do your settings for you.

Like I said you have to be educated on the parts in the first place or you can easily buy something like this from Bestbuy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-erazer-x315-desktop-amd-fx-series-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-128gb-solid-state-drive-black/7122028.p?id=1219668763851&skuId=7122028

 

[AgeEighty]

Then you can get a wireless steamlink for 50$. While thats admittetly more then 2$, its still not a ridiculous amount of money compaired to the initial purchase of a PC or a console, but thats of course a bit subjective.

My PC is on a different floor entirely, so a wireless solution can have issues at times for me. There are ways around this, of course, but none particularly easy or cheap.

I think PC gaming is making strides toward a more pain-free living room gaming experience, but they aren't quite there yet.

 

[jaypah]

If you use an HDMI cable, you also need your PC to be in the same place as your TV. If you're a kid or a student, you probably have everything in one room already, so that's not an issue. But if you're an adult and your TV is in your living room, that becomes far more complicated to pull off... especially if you are married.

My wife bought the PC that's hooked to our living room TV along with the PS4 and WiiU. I'm lucky I guess. Can't really imagine being a grown man and still having someone tell me what I can and can't do.

 

[lOTl]

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This is what I have, looks great in center console and fits full sized parts.

Just don't be this guy ;p

WHOLLY CRAP YOU REALLY EXTREME SPREADSHEET.

/edit: derp replied to wrong image intended for couch master

 

[MUnited83]

It's not about this thread. This "PC is superior" is brought up in nearly every single console discussion, where it really has no place.

Feel free to go and try to prove that I guess. Claiming imaginary things is a bit weird.

 

[AgeEighty]

My wife bought the PC that's hooked to our living room TV along with the PS4 and WiiU. I'm lucky I guess. Can't really imagine being a grown man and still having someone tell me what I can and can't do.

So you have never needed to compromise with your wife on any household issue, and that's what makes you a grown man? Oh, boy.

There's also the fact that even if I could talk her into letting me put my PC tower in our living room, I wouldn't want to, because it would look tacky and stick out like a sore thumb there. But I guess if I were a grown man I'd be more cool with sticking a two foot tall glowing black slab in the middle of my antiques.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Yep, so just buy the device where you can play the games you like.

Or buy all devices if you prefer all games.....

Indeed, but the real discussion was never about where you can play the games you like (subjective). There is no argument that can present to claim one platform has better games than another because each person is different and the games that appeal to me will be different from those that appeal to someone else. It has been about how different platforms offer gaming better environments to play in. A better way to visualize the discussion is to take the games out of it entirely by pretending all games are available on all platforms. Each does something better than the other platforms, but the PC list is probably a great deal longer.

 

[off duty ninja]

Yeah, because you dont need to buy a console in order to play console games on your TV. Oh wait.

Can you point me to the $350 all in one PC gaming solution that will allow me to play all the hottest games and comes with built in voice chat capabilities?

It's "funny" that people don't understand a reasoning that you only brought up in this post? People aren't fortune tellers or mind-readers i'd say, if you want for people to understand your reasoning then you might want to actually say your reasoning first...

Sorry, not trying for the moving goal posts but yes, money is the biggest impediment to me adopting PC gaming.

 

[jaypah]

So you have never needed to compromise with your wife on any household issue, and that's what makes you a grown man? Oh, boy.

There's also the issue that even if I could talk her into letting me put my PC tower in our living room, I wouldn't want to, because it would look tacky there.

No, I haven't. I never lived with another woman before her either so I don't have a frame of refrence. But yes, she's not going to tell me what I can do. I'm not going to tell her what to do either, she's grown. I let her do as she pleases.

Edit: and about the black slab, sure if you wanted to why not? Obviously you don't want to in the first place so that part was weird. Not really sure why you seem so annoyed.

 

[Phanatic8390]

My PC is on a different floor entirely, so a wireless solution can have issues at times for me. There are ways around this, of course, but none particularly easy or cheap.

I think PC gaming is making strides toward a more pain-free living room gaming experience, but they aren't quite there yet.

Power line adapters? I got a pair for $20. We're up to $70 but still not an unreasonable price for a solution.

 

[AgeEighty]

No, I haven't. I never lived with another woman before her either so I don't have a frame of refrence. But yes, she's not going to tell me what I can do. I'm not going to tell her what to do either, she's grown. I let her do as she pleases.

So you both just do whatever you want all the time, and never do your two sets of desires come into conflict? Ever?

Either you're being disingenuous, or you haven't been married longer than a month, or you aren't just lucky: You're in a miraculous situation.

Edit: and about the black slab, sure if you wanted to why not? Obviously you don't want to in the first place so that part was weird. Not really sure why you seem so annoyed.

The point is that not putting my PC in the living room with my TV had nothing to do with my wife "telling me what to do", but that even if it did, compromising on such issues is essential in most marriages. It's not a viable solution for me, period.

 

[Falchion]

Didn't see a response for:

but Halo 5.

 

[MUnited83]

Can you point me to the $350 all in one PC gaming solution that will allow me to play all the hottest games and comes with built in voice chat capabilities?



Sorry, not trying for the moving goal posts but yes, money is the biggest impediment to me adopting PC gaming.

Even then a PC build that provides a similar or better experience isn't that much more expensive than a console, but yeah, thats a better reasoning that the one you initially stated.

 

[Mifec]

As a console guy who wants the benefits of PC gaming, this is where I am leaning:

[IG]http://mygaming.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Alienware-Alpha.jpg[/IMG]

[IM]https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/JoylZcqrsu2Eje0G-X9ns7rOYW0=/0x30:2000x1155/640x360/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/46472566/Alienware_Controller_front_03.0.0.png[/IMG]

The lines are being blurred more and more.

Buy a small case and build it yourself, you'll save a lot of money and get superior hardware. If you are worried about building it yourself use some of that money you saved to pay someone to do it for you.

 

[Turin Turambar]

http://en.arguman.org/pc-is-better-than-consoles

I think this tree is fascinating and one of more well thought out versions of this discussion i have seen. POst your favorite arguments or add to the tree.

Uhh..

Am I supposed to read all that?

God I'm not that invested in fucking platform wars.

 

[jaypah]

So you both just do whatever you want all the time, and never do your two sets of desires come into conflict? Ever?

Either you're being disingenuous, or you haven't been married longer than a month, or you aren't just lucky: You're in a miraculous situation.

Lived together for 8 years now. I can't ever remember any conflict. I guess I just haven't wanted to do anything that she considers unreasonable. Sure, she wouldn't want me to set fire to the carpet but I wouldn't want to in the first place.

Also you said "even if I could talk her into it". Sounds like you would have to, you know, talk her into it.

 

[perfectsil]

Can you point me to the $350 all in one PC gaming solution that will allow me to play all the hottest games and comes with built in voice chat capabilities

Ps4/xb1 gaming doesn't just cost $350, there's that $50 a year to play online (on one console ), pay that for 8 years you're spending as much as a mid-high range PC

 

[off duty ninja]

Even then a PC build that provides a similar or better experience isn't that much more expensive than a console, but yeah, thats a better reasoning that the one you initially stated.

I tend to do a lot of extrapolating in my own mind that never makes it into my posts. The leap made total sense to me since cost is rooted in all of my reasons but I never made that clear.

Ps4/xb1 gaming doesn't just cost $350, there's that $50 a year to play online (on one console ), pay that for 8 years you're spending as much as a mid-high range PC

That is a very good point! Unfortunately I can't afford to pay that 8 times up front. I also hardly play my PS4 due to the controller needing to be replaced and I have been putting that off for ages.

Obviously there are built in costs beyond the initial buy in but that are true for both sides. I still feel that the cost of console gaming is cheaper overall but that might just be me and my confirmation bias.

The simplicity/cost of console gaming are the reasons that I prefer consoles to PC's for that purpose. Sure there are plenty of arguments to counter my opinion but all of those counters sound like my 7 year old daughter asking me to "download the mods for Spore" like its just that easy.

 

[Mifec]

I love the minimalist look of HTPC cases.

I'm planning on turning my current build into an HTPC when I finally upgrade. Put in some extremely quiet fans and I'm in business.

SP120 quiet version will serve you well, I have 4 on my H100 and I can't hear my PC at all.

 

[Kamina]

As long as Zelda is a Console only game series every argument is invalid for me.

 

[AmFreak]

Sorry, not trying for the moving goal posts but yes, money is the biggest impediment to me adopting PC gaming.

This is just not true for the majority anymore.
Consoles launched @ 400 and 500€, a 500€ pc was superior to both. If you already had an old pc you could save another 50-200€.
And if you want to play online the calculation is over anyways (cause the pc clearly wins).

 

[Mifec]

As long as Zelda is a Console only game series every argument is invalid for me.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1123572&page=5

OuO

 

[LCGeek]

Well not really. I've been playing and enjoying PC couch gaming for a while now, and there are a lot of things to consider.
You cannot play any multiplayer games if there is a mouse and keyboard option. That's the biggest thing to consider. If you want to play a multiplayer shooter, you just cannot do that on a couch with a controller on a PC.
Some games also don't have controller options (Diablo 3 etc).
You need to have a PC for you alone, you just cannot use the family PC for this or prepare for a lot of non gaming.
Tweaking is also a thing, some people like it, I sure as hell don't.
Setting up a PC for coach gaming and personal use is also not that easy. You need to take care of multiple cables, programs and you still have to do some work to get it going everytime you switch from TV to monitor and vise versa (sound output, gamepad connection, monitor connections, resolution, ...).
The hardware also costs more than consoles.

Lets rip apart more comfy couch BS.....

Plenty of people play with controllers on pc now in a game like GTA5 it's quite easy to see both pad and kb/m. Are pad players a huge minority in pc gaming no, but they certainly are around in certain places if you look around. Not only that in coop games no one cares about stats so for a game like KF2 or lf42 most people who know how to tune a gamepad for fps games don't care. There's a reason devs have been making input support default in pc games it's cause this crowd is real and exist. This isn't 5 years ago or ten years ago so this bunk as crap. Unless you want to be mega competitive there is no problem with pads on a pc outside of stigma and ignorance.

D3 you can use a controller for, blizzard even banned people at one point using mods to make it more friendly towards them or people use wasd mods. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Get xbox toca editor or things like it gamepad support on pc is extremely adjustable and viable. When games lack support you use tools and always have considering some tools will make any input superior to what MS leaves us with by default in windows. This company still can't even get deadzone calibration correct in windows since basically it has appeared.

While people have tried for decades to use out of spec pcs for gaming steams survey show a lot different picture than the on you're painting. Most people have machines to run the games they play, the problem with your argument as it always made is that most pc gamers are ultra pc gamers which is always has been false.

You don't have to tweak a lot stuff, it's a choice nor does it essentially require a lot of time. Me doing console commands or hitting the options for graphical changes in less than 3 seconds isn't a problem. Only time tweaking is an issue is when games require restarts. It nice you don't like it but considering this forum has extremely popular modders/tweakers and the community has been around in full force since the 90's it's meaningless point.

Also last time I checked whose constantly taking their htpc setup up and down as if they are moving it around. Also a pc setup to me will have less cables than a console fully hooked up for 4 players. Again your experience isn't others nor does it have to be for most.

PC couch gaming is really only for the hardcore gamers. I like it and you get used to it, but it's far from a console like experience that's plug and play.
Even a Steam Machine isn't for the masses imo.

Based on your faulty assertions I'd say no and considering it's a growing market not shrinking you're even more dead wrong. Consoles really aren't all that plug and play in certain areas or if you consider certain facts They have considerable bootup and loadup time compared to decent pcs with SSD. Switching games is harder than on the pc, not only that you can't multitask certain games at once.

There are distinct benefits to pc or console people value different ones. Who cares what the masses think since when did this argument become about the masses?

 

[Kamina]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1123572&page=5

OuO

Iillegal stuff stays off my PC. And considering the issues (graphics glitches mostly) that i've seem with Dolphin i don't care anyway.

 

[ironcreed]

 

[Atlas157]

Iillegal stuff stays off my PC. And considering the issues (graphics glitches mostly) that i've seem with Dolphin i don't care anyway.

Emulators aren't illegal.

 

[Mifec]

Iillegal stuff stays off my PC. And considering the issues (graphics glitches mostly) that i've seem with Dolphin i don't care anyway.

It's not illegal if you dump your own bios and still buy the games though is it? Most isssues have a fix and the emulators provide a better experience than the console.

I wasn't trying to make you change your mind, just showing you options.

 

[mr2xxx]

Buy a small case and build it yourself, you'll save a lot of money and get superior hardware. If you are worried about building it yourself use some of that money you saved to pay someone to do it for you.

Problem is that there are no good options if you want to go that small. Mini itx rigs are several times larger than the Alpha.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

This is the only argument about it that needs to happen:

Beats the OP's tree.

 

[ironcreed]

Buy a small case and build it yourself, you'll save a lot of money and get superior hardware. If you are worried about building it yourself use some of that money you saved to pay someone to do it for you.

We will see. It's something I plan to do before too long, I hope. I have flirted with it over the years and it's something I really want to finally get done.

 

[ScatheZombie]

SNIP

SNIP

Ok, let me explain the difference between the arguments I made and the craziness you assumed I meant.

First, no one was saying you could build a cheap rig and play at max settings. I didn't make that accusation either. My argument was for the distinction between portraying cheaper costs and better performance as individual and separate positives. It's one positive - and has nothing to do with cost or performance - it has to do with choice. You have the choice of building for cost at lower performance or the choice of building for performance at higher cost. Consoles have one cost and one performance. That's the positive for PCs. One positive. Choice of build. Cheaper costs and higher performance are, individually, results of that one positive.

Second, not all emulation is piracy. But you'd have to be super naive to assume that emulation has no connection to piracy. This is another single argument that is incorrectly made separately. Both of these points were made in the link in the OP. And have been made on Neogaf. That you can run just about any console experience through emulation eventually. And, separately, that piracy isn't a distinct negative for PC. This is fallacious statement when combining arguments. There is a huge overlap between emulation and piracy - so much so that every emulation thread requires a clarifier to not pirate. We admit there's a huge overlap. If you are trying to argue there isn't one, you are either naive or intentionally obfuscating the issue.

The third point about life-cycles between the two platforms is another lack of distinction and intentional imbalance of comparison. You have two arguments here. First, that consoles have relatively short life-cycles and you must upgrade to the new one every 5-7 years. And secondly, that PCs don't or, at least, don't have to. This is another imbalance assumption. Because you don't have to upgrade your console either. It's another argument of choice. You can choose to build an entire new PC, which is then more expensive than a console. Or you can choose to upgrade specific parts, which may or may not be more expensive than a console. Or you can choose not to upgrade at all. But, again, the positive here is the choice while gamers will attempt to argue the results of that choice are individual and distinct positives for PC gaming.

 

[Omega]

PC

the only thing that can make sony and microsoft fanboys band together

 

[MUnited83]

I tend to do a lot of extrapolating in my own mind that never makes it into my posts. The leap made total sense to me since cost is rooted in all of my reasons but I never made that clear.

I understand that if you already have a console it might be a hesty investment, yeah, and possibly redundant if you mostly care about multiplataform AAA but if you don't have neither a PC or a console, they aren't that much different in terms of what you would have to pay.

Iillegal stuff stays off my PC. And considering the issues (graphics glitches mostly) that i've seem with Dolphin i don't care anyway.

Care to explain what exactly is illegal about it? (Hint:nothing).

 

[mr2xxx]

Based on your faulty assertions I'd say no and considering it's a growing market not shrinking you're even more dead wrong. Consoles really aren't all that plug and play in certain areas or if you consider certain facts They have considerable bootup and loadup time compared to decent pcs with SSD. Switching games is harder than on the pc, not only that you can't multitask certain games at once.

There are distinct benefits to pc or console people value different ones. Who cares what the masses think since when did this argument become about the masses?

Boot time and multi tasking are not related to plug and play. Also some PC games are still released on disc since the whole world doesn't have great unlimited internet access.

 

[Corronchilejano]

It's not illegal if you dump your own bios and still buy the games though is it? Most isssues have a fix and the emulators provide a better experience than the console.

I wasn't trying to make you change your mind, just showing you options.

You are quite naive if you believe most people dump their own BIOS (and discs).

Also, emulators take a long time to work correctly and only provide a good experience with appropriate hardware.

 

[cyber_ninja]

Pc might have all the graphics, resolution and fps advantages, but it has no games I'd like to play; therefore, consoles > Pc for me all day, everyday.

 

[IronicSonic]

Then you can get a wireless steamlink for 50$. While thats admittetly more then 2$, its still not a ridiculous amount of money compaired to the initial purchase of a PC or a console, but thats of course a bit subjective.

What about input lag with those wireless HDMI things tho? it's still a problem?

 

[AgeEighty]

1. Motion sickness is certainly a thing, but you're gonna have to pin down where framerates actually increase the sensation and where they make it worse. The eye strain of playing a 20 FPS low resolution N64 game is just as likely an excuse here for the other side. You can sign up all sorts of fringe shit if you want, but in ALL media a higher resolution is objectively better. Framerate gets murkier (people aren't used to it in film even though it improves tracking shots, it looks weird), but in games, you'll be hard pressed to find someone who would prefer, say, Call of Duty to NOT be a 60 FPS game. The only time I've seen anybody say shit like that is in threads like this one. You're also cutting off your nose to spite your face; GameCube and beyond Nintnedo is super framerate focused and their fans love them for it.

All I know is that sitting at my computer, playing games at high display settings, I tend to feel ill a lot more often than either playing console games upstairs or playing a PC game at lower settings. Not all the time, but often. Why? Not a clue. And I don't tend to play a lot of twitchy games like FPS, so I don't really miss the framerate anyway. Resolution? Absolutely, crank it up. But I have noticed that a higher degree of detail can magnify the sickening effect if it's coming on. Again: Not a clue why.

2. You're reaching so hard here. You can copy your original discs if they still work, and run them in DOS Box. You can dig out data backups of anything from any era with some exceptions and emulate it. GOG's library is also magnitudes more aggressive with expansion and raw size at the moment than any competing service. Backwards compatibility is a space that simply can't be argued. Nothing you've said so far makes a case for anything; you're just sort of poking at the subject and framing inane opinions as though they have any meaning at all.

You're the one who's reaching. You're following the argument pattern so typical of PC boosters: They'll cry, "You can do that on a PC; it's easy!" Then you bring up the numerous situations where something can go wrong, and they start prevaricating: "Oh, well sure, that can happen, but then you just do this, this and this..." And before you know it the whole "easy" argument has flown right out the window.

I've installed DOSbox and a variety of other emulators. They are neither easy nor painless, there are a wide swath of issues they can encounter depending on both your hardware and software configuration, and they require significant tweaking to get running optimally. Just because something is technically possible with potentially a lot of hassle doesn't make it an obvious, irrefutable bullet point in the "pro" column.

You keep trying to make points in this thread that seem to start with the assumption that anything positive for PCs is untrue. And with these two subjects, you're comically off-base. You're off the deep end, mate.

If the deep end is where saner, cooler heads can enjoy the games they like on the platforms they like without having stans yapping in their ear that they're doing it wrong, you can have the shallow end all to yourself.

 

[MUnited83]

You are quite naive if you believe most people dump their own BIOS (and discs).

So? How is that relevant? The guy he replied to said that he didn't want "illegal shit" on his computer. This is factually wrong. Emulators are legal.