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ZombieSupaStar
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looks decent, looking forward to oblivion
Uh did I say you started anything? It's that elitist bs statement you made that I quoted I'm referring to when the guy who brought up MGS4 in the first place was only talking about textures.fortified_concept said:
Coupled with your QFT post where the poster you quoted pointed out that very same elitist bs is what I'm getting at.
Anyhow, I'm not trying to derail the thread further. You made your statement, I made mine off-topic section of thread over.
Yeah, response is a problem with certain games and would cause problems in something fast paced. Killzone is somewhat in the middle, but probably slower than PD0 will be. It was very well done, though. To the point where the simple act of reloading your weapon felt enjoyable. I actually think Halo did a pretty good job with it, to be honest. There are a few complaints that could be made, but the balance between quick response and smooth, "weighty" animation was totally there.rastex said:
Half-Life 2 certainly did have "floating camera" syndrom (in addition to several weapons that just didn't feel good while in use). Doom 3, on the other hand, did both enemy and player animations very well. It felt quite solid. The AI routines were so simple, however, so it wouldn't work in every game (they had an almost arcade like design to them).
The worst for me would be the crazy flying weapons. FEAR has this problem, as did DeusEx IW. When moving, it seemed as if your arms were just flying around and caused the weapon to go crazy with bobbing motion. It's as if your weapon weighed like a few grams or something. A cardboard cutout. They would also snap it in and out when you were too near a wall.
It really is an art in and of itself. Nailing the feeling of a first person viewpoint can take a lot of work.
PD0 doesn't seem bad in that regard, but (as I said), everything seems to have that quick/jerky look to it. When she reloads her pistol, it just doesn't flow. The 3rd person additions really seem out of place as well. I'm sure we'll see some refinements of that, though.
I can't and won't judge enemy animation just yet, though, based on their statements.
I think the biggest improvement we've seen this year would be Frame City Killer. Oh ho ho, the E3 animation was a riot. Every foe would fly up in the air in the same unrealistic fashion. Looked totally ridiculous, but was good for a laugh.
Optimistic
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trmas said:
Never played Counter Strike, I take it?
Mr. Lemming
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In the third movie does it say "Buildver: 15.09.05" in the top right corner? Thus indicating a general time frame for how old this build may be?
It's definately a pretty large leap from the May screenshots, but I'm still not sold on it being any sort of 'killer app'. I guess if I bought a 360 and wanted an FPS, this one would probably be worth playing. I wonder where it would have ended up and what it would have looked like had M$ not bought Rare...
I've played Counter Strike and had it in mind. CS is the best FPS I've ever played, and the only one I play pretty much religiously. I'm thinking something along the lines of sniper mode in SC would be perfect. I think BF2 does this, but it may be that the person I was watching just sucked. I haven't played BF2 myself, because my PC sucks.
This generation they should be able to take this into account. What about if after you've been running for an extended period of time the character breathes heavy and the gun is harder to aim. I mean hell if you want to go for realism, there are many improvements that can be made.
As it is, this game looks fun, and I personally could never say that for what so many seem to think is the penultimate FPS, Halo. Not trying to flame, either. This looks like something I'd want to play, whereas Halo was more of a chore, and trial and error to me.
This generation they should be able to take this into account. What about if after you've been running for an extended period of time the character breathes heavy and the gun is harder to aim. I mean hell if you want to go for realism, there are many improvements that can be made.
As it is, this game looks fun, and I personally could never say that for what so many seem to think is the penultimate FPS, Halo. Not trying to flame, either. This looks like something I'd want to play, whereas Halo was more of a chore, and trial and error to me.
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Seems cool. Didn't really blow me away because it just seems like a nicer looking version of what we have now but there's nothing wrong with that. I like the transition to 3rd person, I thought that worked very well in Riddick.
A lot of what made Perfect Dark so cool were the details around the pretty solid action (her equipment, the characters, etc.) so if this carries that along it should be neat. Right now it seems that a lot of the attention with these games (understandably I guess) is wall textures, hair textures, etc. all those things the machines have been too weak to process. That's neat, it comes together to form something powerful, but it's not real interesting to me either.
We'll probably get a lot of games that are pretty shallow next gen but show off wall textures, or draw distance or number of people onscreen, etc. because showing the tech off will be the main point. Sort of like a lot of DS games need bad reasons to have you touch the screen, etc. It's developers showing they really understand the platforms.
Uniqueness or whatever becomes possible with next gen that we don't have now, at least in an interesting manner, probably won't happen till well after we have controllers in our hands. Sure as shit the graphic whoring threads are boring.
A lot of what made Perfect Dark so cool were the details around the pretty solid action (her equipment, the characters, etc.) so if this carries that along it should be neat. Right now it seems that a lot of the attention with these games (understandably I guess) is wall textures, hair textures, etc. all those things the machines have been too weak to process. That's neat, it comes together to form something powerful, but it's not real interesting to me either.
We'll probably get a lot of games that are pretty shallow next gen but show off wall textures, or draw distance or number of people onscreen, etc. because showing the tech off will be the main point. Sort of like a lot of DS games need bad reasons to have you touch the screen, etc. It's developers showing they really understand the platforms.
Uniqueness or whatever becomes possible with next gen that we don't have now, at least in an interesting manner, probably won't happen till well after we have controllers in our hands. Sure as shit the graphic whoring threads are boring.
soundwave05
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PD Zero would've been perfect for the controller Nintendo with Revolution. Selling Rare was a mistake on their part IMO.
Killer Instinct or Blast Corps on the DS would've been great too. Rare got into a funk yes, and they were making too many damn 3D platformers, but Nintendo should've bought them out and sorted that out.
While I dout PD0 will be as big as Halo, I gotta think it will be the best-selling 360 game at launch by a good margin.
Killer Instinct or Blast Corps on the DS would've been great too. Rare got into a funk yes, and they were making too many damn 3D platformers, but Nintendo should've bought them out and sorted that out.
While I dout PD0 will be as big as Halo, I gotta think it will be the best-selling 360 game at launch by a good margin.
Hmm, it doees look nicer. But the graphics aren't in the same league when it comes to the bumpmapping. We are already seeing more advanced bump mapping than this in fifth phantom saga by sonic team on the ps3.
http://ps3movies.ign.com/ps3/video/...hphantomsaga_091705_walkthrough_qtlowwide.mov
http://ps3movies.ign.com/ps3/video/...hphantomsaga_091705_walkthrough_qtlowwide.mov
MightyHedgehog
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Monk said:
How in the fuck are you getting that from shitty quality videos, I have no idea...
Optimistic
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trmas said:
I'd agree but I don't think PD0 is going for realism. In the context of this game those gameplay tweaks would probably make it rather frustrating IMO. I would expect to see that sort of stuff in say, Call of Duty 2 though.
MightyHedgehog said:
I quardruple the width and height of it when viewing. I think this(in fifth phantom) is blinn or parralax mapping. While PDZ is just normal mapping.
http://graphics.cs.brown.edu/games/SteepParallax/index.html
I also have my eyes hurt when viewing optical illusions, the ones that hurt more = better.
Monk said:I quardruple the width and height of it when viewing. I think this(in fifth phantom) is blinn or parralax mapping. While PDZ is just normal mapping.
http://graphics.cs.brown.edu/games/SteepParallax/index.html
I also have my eyes hurt when viewing optical illusions, the ones that hurt more = better.
Rare has been talking abou the paralax mapping (can't spell to save my life) for a long time.
MightyHedgehog
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Mason said:
Unlike your classic bunny-hopping, the PDZ roll/evasive maneuver looks like it takes away directional control for aim during and adds a more significant penalty to movement right after. You can only choose to dive or roll in one of eight directions and are committed to that movement, so good players can simply predict where you'll regain control and let loose on you before you exit the animation...again, the player executing the roll also takes a lot more damage from hits while it's going. The only two things the maneuver is useful for, AFAIK, is to break lock-on/track for a moment and to move more quickly to cover.
So, unlike bunny hopping, the risk-reward factor is theoretically balanced.
Mason said:
yeah, but the thing i s, i seriously doubt thats how the game will actually be played. dont judge the gameplay from these videos. i'm sure it was everyones first time with the game, and naturally you'd want to try out new shit like that.
AltogetherAndrews
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Monk said:
Eh, they spent like half of the first video showing off depth. How could you have missed that?
MightyHedgehog
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Actually, I can't wait to get good enough with it so I can disarm someone who's still in a roll and them shoot them with their own gun.Monk said:
Game looks pretty hot!
The ragdoll deaths are a little quirkier than I would like though. I agree with Dark10, they remind of "death by Ballers" in Hitman 2. They also remind me a lot of the antigravity rooms in Half-Life 2 MP.
Overall though, this game is moving up my list. If some of my pre-orders fail to show up at lanch, then I'll probably pick this up.
The ragdoll deaths are a little quirkier than I would like though. I agree with Dark10, they remind of "death by Ballers" in Hitman 2. They also remind me a lot of the antigravity rooms in Half-Life 2 MP.
Overall though, this game is moving up my list. If some of my pre-orders fail to show up at lanch, then I'll probably pick this up.
SuperPac
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I like the look, actually. It doesn't look "real" perhaps, but I think that's why I'm liking it -- it's like a sort of pop-arty comic book come to life. The hyperreality of it all is quite striking. It's interesting to see that while most FPSes are going for real-real-real, Rare is going in the other direction. But I'm sure that even after X05, the visuals are going to be a love-it or hate-it point of contention. Everyone will have an opinion but I wonder how many people who're buying the X360 on day one would really pass up PDZ.
MightyHedgehog
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:lol :lol
JackFrost2012
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nubbe said:Wow, it looks amazing!
I want it now!
But the physics was really bad
cry more nubbe
brandonh83
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Blast Corps... goddamn that game was a bitch.
