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Penn State football pedophilia thread (UPDATE: NCAA sanctions handed down)
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What I wanna know is how McQueary didn't deck the guy every time he saw him afterwards. It's bad enough to not interfere at the time... but how do you turn such a blind eye? You see him bring a kid to practice years later and don't freak the fuck out? How?!Ninja Scooter said:Apparently, according to the report, he heard the:
and then went to the shower to investigate and caught them in the middle of it. How the fuck do you do nothing? I'm not even a confrontational person, and I can't imagine just walking away from that.
Salaadin said:
It's unfortunate, but for most people, the only thing they know about Penn State is the football team and Paterno. That is the image of the school for many. And now, the Sandusky case is what people are going to remember about it for a long, long time, regardless of whatever else the school does.
bucknuticus
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Meier said:
because he's a red head and thus has no soul
. To think McQueary was on the short list at one point to become head coach there.ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
irriadin said:
Logic is intermittent in this thread.
LegendofJoe
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irriadin said:
Agreed, that post is ban worthy if you ask me.
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
And they are. Do you know anyone that went to PSU that you can personally talk to about their feelings on this issue or are you forming your Pedo State comments after watching youtube video of the rallies and reading the comments sections on various websites covering this? Because if you are well...I dont think I need to say anymore.
Sirpopopop
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Salaadin said:
Apparently 2000 people showed up to support Joe.
Yes, I know there are "40,000" people on the campus, but you have to use representative numbers here.
2000 for Joe. Only a few against.
State Penn has been a sham for the last 6-7 years. 46 arrests during that period. Clean program my ass.
harSon said:
Nope. Paterno is still basically only guilty of not doing more than reporting the incident to his direct supervisors. The mob is out with the knives and pitchforks though and they are ready to crucify everyone involved, including the one guy who actually did something (even if it wasn't enough in this case).
LegendofJoe
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The rally for JoePa is a representation of the protect the pack, us versus them mentality in action. It's a reprehensible tendency that is natural to all of us. A condemnation of the actions of people in a group you identify with does not equal an attack on you personally. I wish more people would recognize and understand that, we'd all be a lot better off if that were the case.
Sirpopopop
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A lovely JoePa link from 1994:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eV4No5wvHY
Joe Pa going to cover the spread in a game he already won!
Yep - he's always been a real classy guy.
(some swear words in that link.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eV4No5wvHY
Joe Pa going to cover the spread in a game he already won!
Yep - he's always been a real classy guy.
(some swear words in that link.)
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
gutshot said:
He's been on a roll for at least 24 hours now.
I'm honestly impressed at his stamina.
gutshot said:
Like it or not Joe Paterno is an accomplice to Jerry Sandusky. Paterno knew that this man had sexually assaulted a child but continued to allow him to be involved with his program and his school.
The man is a disgrace. He could have helped stop Jerry Sandusky, but he chose not to. Effectively contributing to any of Jerry Sandusky's future assaults.
Joe Shlabotnik
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gutshot said:
No, they're not out to crucify the one guy who did something--the principal of the high school who banned Sandusky, reported it to the police and instigated the investigation that led to the grand jury indictment.
Nothing that anyone did previously prevented any crime from happening at all.
samus i am
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gutshot said:
Nope. Sanjuro Tsubaki really has it in for JoePa and all others that report child abuse.
outlawedprod
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gutshot said:
I think some people are getting a bit too wound up but it certainly doesn't help them when they see this type of response by some members of the community.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxlWy40Ch2I
You are defending him. I'm not. Of course there is going to be a variation in opinion here.gutshot said:
The story has been a constant. I listen to sports radio in a town where it's Red Sox almost 24/7. To have a minor college football demographic take over the airwaves completely for a span of two days, I'm getting most of the news off the bat and have been reading into the articles. Am I invested more than I would like? Sure.
Then you have people trolling like this. I mean, do people even read what they post?samus i am said:
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Youre failing to see my point that referring to an entire school as "Pedo State" is offensive to the entire school regardless of who you are directly referring to. You might know in your mind that youre trashing the scum at the rally but your post didnt reflect that.
Its downright rude, offensive, and stupid to just call the school that name. You cant argue against that.
Ive been reading your hyperbole in this thread for over a day now though so Im not even sure why I replied.
gutshot said:
It's in support of someone complicit in not doing the right thing, and being equally as responsible for that piece of shit moving along to another school to continue his abuse. For someone that was a moral judge, jury, and executioner of his students, he deserves every ounce of criticism he gets. He should have been fired already.
Like I said to the poster before, it'll stick. FSU is still referred to as Free Shoes U or F$U over some players getting some cheap athletic gear during the 90s. This obviously is a more unfortunate nickname, but it doesn't go away. Miami = Thug U instead of Tha U.. probably doesn't make their graduates very excited either.Salaadin said:
The reputation of athletics department almost always carries over to the reputation of the school as a whole because it's the most visible aspect of the school.
SerArthurDayne
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Joe Paterno said:
What a prick. I can't believe he would include that statement in his ... statement. Fire him yesterday.
The Board of Trustees isn't concerned with the investigation itself, they are concerned with dealing with it and moving the university forward. Quit trying to deflect like a bitch, Joe (or your son who wrote this for you).
Try not being a selfish asshole and retire, you senile bastard.
Some are in jest. I said he should take the head coaching job of the Oakland Raiders in that same posting.gutshot said:
The students supporting child molestation is pretty accurate. They are blindly leading a major protest about a person directly involved with the situation and contrasting it with "Beating Nebraska, etc.". Don't come back to me and say I'm being irrational after that.
LegendofJoe
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I don't see how JoePa's actions with regards to Sandusky are defensible. The majority of his life has been devoted to the Penn State football program. I don't care how long or well he knew Sandusky, you don't let a man who worked directly under you continue to take advantage of your facilities when you have hard evidence that he is sexually abusing children. It's akin to playing with dynamite, the only reason I can think of for why Paterno might have brushed this aside is that Sandusky has dirt on him or his program. Otherwise what Paterno and the other people in charge of the university did is not only inexcusable, it's downright moronic.
dexterslu said:
How is he an accomplice? As far as I know, the only things that we know concerning Joe Paterno is A) He was given information suggesting that his defensive coordinator was molesting children B) He relayed that information to the proper people within the University and C) Once that information was given out within the University, Sandusky's crimes were covered up.
We don't know what happened between points B and C regarding Joe Paterno, which is pretty fucking necessary if you're going to be so firm with your condemnation of him. It's easy to condemn him for his lack of actions with hindsight in hand, but as far as we know, he could have been told that an investigation had taken place and the information proved false. I personally wouldn't expect people so high up within a University to be so willing to protect a pedophile, and I'm sure the same was true for Paterno.
If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the child molester. Or the dude who caught him in the act and did nothing to protect that child, and little to protect future children. Or the men who covered it up. Not the one guy who actually did something, but with hindsight in hand, didn't do enough.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
SerArthurDayne said:
Dude, I'm with you, the Paterno boys are dicks.
Especially Jay. I remember what you did to my bike, you ass.
Did this get posted anywhere? It is choice in its sheer dickheadedness. From the Guardian's coverage of the story:
samus i am
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Maxim726X said:
So reporting it to his higher ups as he was supposed to do means nothing?
Hari Seldon
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Paterno is the least guilty out of anyone at PSU really. I'm fine with him resigning, since it turns the attention on the truly guilty rather than the person that the plebs want to blame. Someone stonewalled a police investigation, someone allowed Sandusky to move his summer camp to a different PSU campus after 2002. None of these much more serious actions were done by Joe Paterno.
samus i am
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Maxim726X said:
Totally false. Curley and Schultz covered it up. Joe Paterno did nothing of the sort.
Fenderputty
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gutshot said:
You yourself unserstand it wasn't enough and yet you have an issue with people wanting his head? Some people are a little extreme here, but JoePa deserves a lot of the heat he's getting.
Hari Seldon
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Mrbob said:
Bullshit. For all we know the board of trustees is in on the entire thing. Most people certainly think Spanier is. Someone transferred Sandusky's summer camp to a different PSU campus. That isn't something in the realm of the athletic department, and the athletic department can't just tell a branch campus what to do with their facilities and dorms and the like.
Sirpopopop
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harSon said:
If he was informed that an investigation had taken place and the information was proven false, that information would have come out by now, don't you think?
Fenderputty said:
Once again, that's a position that can only be taken with hindsight in hand. 99% of the time, I'm willing to bet that telling higher ups within a University that you've received information that one of there employees is a pedophile would be more than enough action.
samus i am said:
By just sweeping this under the rug (which is what he was a part of) basically ensured that he would continue sexually abusing children. There is NO excuse- By not turning him in to the authorities, he protected him.
I honestly don't see how this could be viewed any other way. He is the most powerful person on that campus and he was afraid of the fallout that would have followed this scandal, so he just quietly removed him from the position, knowing that he had molested multiple children.
Actually kinda scared that people see this any other way, frankly.
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