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[Joe Shlabotnik]

Did you read the grand jury report? Did you read about the part about the janitor? Does that not seem traumatic? Witnesses to violence are victims, too.

It was all he could do to drag himself to his job as WR coach at the exact same location of the crime for the next eight years.

 

[Amory]

Did you read the grand jury report? Did you read about the part about the janitor? Does that not seem traumatic? Witnesses to violence are victims, too.

If you see something like that happening, you call the fucking police. If you think you're going to have a heart attack because of it then order an ambulance while you're at it, but call the cops.

Edit: and not only that, but in the grand jury report it says that the janitor who supposedly was profoundly affected by what he saw was more concerned about keeping his job than helping the kid, so screw him too

 

[venne]

Did you read the grand jury report? Did you read about the part about the janitor? Does that not seem traumatic? Witnesses to violence are victims, too.

I'd say the worst part is looking at yourself in the mirror everyday and seeing a guy that walked in on a young boy being raped and just turned around and walked the other way.

 

[eznark]

Did you read the grand jury report? Did you read about the part about the janitor? Does that not seem traumatic? Witnesses to violence are victims, too.

I think we have Sandusky's defense.

"Yes, your honor, what happened to those children was terrible but think about me! I had to watch it all happen! I'm the real victim"

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Serious question: Did you go to school at Penn? I just can't fathom why you're carrying all this water for a mess like this. You've expended more energy and effort than anyone in the thread and done nothing to actually support your horse in this race.

Don't mix up Penn and Penn State.

Penn is a prestigious Ivy-League school. Penn State is the football factory with the wild-eyed cult member fanbase in question.

 

[Fenderputty]

Hasn't it been determined that Sandusky was told not to bring children on campus anymore? I'm failing to see how THAT is not a coverup? He should have been behind bars there and then, but that did not happen. They still let him come on campus and use the facilities after it was known he was raping children. Cover. Up.

This is the part where he'll tell you that Paterno possibly didn't do enough.

Only possibly thoough ...

 

[wonderkins]

See man raping young boy, run to tell your daddy. Not the police.

No guff, they're operating a cult out there.

 

[TheNatural]

Listening to these Penn State fans cheering as some kind of rally makes me sick. People need their fucking priorities straight.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

This is the part where he'll tell you that Paterno possibly didn't do enough.

Only possibly thoough ...

Even though Paterno himself said, straight-up to the media, "I wish I had done more."

Classic.

 

[Ilúvatar]

Don't know if this exact link has been posted yet, though I know the rumor about the sex ring has cropped up already.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

 

[wonderkins]

I think we have Sandusky's defense.

"Yes, your honor, what happened to those children was terrible but think about me! I had to watch it all happen! I'm the real victim"

Combine that with the Lolita defense, Twinkie defense, etc., and Sandusky's home free.

 

[Dude Abides]

It's not "strangely vague" at all. The grand jury was never tasked to investigate Paterno, so that's why it's not in the report. Nothing strange about that.

The grand jury was asked to investigate everything surrounding Sandusky. They are as limited or expansive as the prosecutor wants them to be. The fact that the precise details of what McQueary told Paterno or what Paterno told Curley, are lacking, suggests a prosecutor not interested in presenting what exactly Paterno was told.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Don't know if this exact link has been posted yet, though I know the rumor about the sex ring has cropped up already.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

Blocked at work for being "Child Porn"

 

[JumpingTheGun]

Just going by Sandusky's reaction to when the ONE mother of one of the victims confronted him about it, I say I wouldn't be suprised if he offed himself before, during or after the trial.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Even though Paterno himself said, straight-up to the media, "I wish I had done more."

Classic.

I guess, College Football...winning trophies more important than the children.

 

[venne]

Just going by Sandusky's reaction to when the ONE mother of one of the victims confronted him about it, I say I wouldn't be suprised if he offed himself before, during or after the trial.

Probably the best thing he could do at this point. The sooner the better imo.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Just going by Sandusky's reaction to when the ONE mother of one of the victims confronted him about it, I say I wouldn't be suprised if he offed himself before, during or after the trial.

I would be surprised if he offed himself, these rapists are narcissistic scumbags.

 

[Sanjuro]

Just going by Sandusky's reaction to when the ONE mother of one of the victims confronted him about it, I say I wouldn't be suprised if he offed himself before, during or after the trial.

I dunno...maybe.

 

[Barrett2]

See man raping young boy, run to tell your daddy. Not the police.

No guff, they're operating a cult out there.

It is pretty insane. You see an old man raping a little kid, and as a grown man your instinct is to run out of the room and call your dad, not the police. That's.... very bizarre.

 

[CrankyJay]

Did you read the grand jury report? Did you read about the part about the janitor? Does that not seem traumatic? Witnesses to violence are victims, too.

I don't have to read a fucking grand jury report to know that witnessing an old man raping a child is wrong and that my first instinct would be to rip him off the child and pin him down while I call the cops. I don't give a fuck if he's about to have a heart attack. Fuck this post.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I'd say the worst part is looking at yourself in the mirror everyday and seeing a guy that walked in on a young boy being raped and just turned around and walked the other way.

I can't imagine it. I try and try and can't. We don't have a long cultural legacy of punishing whistle lowers like China. So I don't understand how he or anyone could fail to do what is so clearly the right thing to do.

There are few moments that present an opportunity for absolute moral clarity. This was clearly one of them for many people involved here. Many men failed the test and many children have paid for it.

 

[eznark]

Probably the best thing he could do at this point. The sooner the better imo.

Nah. I look forward to the "Sandusky found raped and brutally murdered and raped again in prison cell" stories.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Being a witness to something like this would undoubtedly result in some degree of psychological trauma. In that sense, McQuery is a victim,

 

[wonderkins]

I can't imagine it. I try and try and can't. We don't have a long cultural legacy of punishing whistle lowers like China. So I don't understand how he or anyone could fail to do what is so clearly the right thing to do.

There are few moments that present an opportunity for absolute moral clarity. This was clearly one of them for many people involved here. Many men failed the test and many children have paid for it.

Seriously. In forming a personal ethics, what to do in this case is non-controversial. This is not vexatious. Like you stated, there's a clarity.

But for so many adults to fail the more vulnerable members of our society is greatly, hugely, disappointing.

 

[JGS]

It's pretty obvious that he was forced to either retire or be fired.

I'm not sure how that can be derived considering Paterno stayed on for 12 years after that announcement. Paterno was never going to leave the job.

However, I do think it's weird that he didn't coach again and hung around campus.

 

[Kosmo]

I can't imagine it. I try and try and can't. We don't have a long cultural legacy of punishing whistle lowers like China. So I don't understand how he or anyone could fail to do what is so clearly the right thing to do.

There are few moments that present an opportunity for absolute moral clarity. This was clearly one of them for many people involved here. Many men failed the test and many children have paid for it.

Penn State football was his life from childhood through that day. I certainly don't understand it, but in some bizarre way I can see where his thought process was confused. In a way it was probably like growing up in a cult where followers don't report what normal society would consider illegal/deviant activity. Think of Warren Jeffs - women willingly turned over their 12 and 12 year old daughters to him.

 

[Sysgen]

The coverup is just as bad as the crime. Sorry, they all should go to jail.

 

[Slizz]

For the first time ever I am agreeing with Mark May. He is going in on McQueary right now....


ESPN College Football Live now.


Whooooo Mark May...... damnnnnn he still goinnnn

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Wait so is this dude's name McCreary and the other version is like a "ha ha" gag or is this some Jesse Pinkman/Jessie Pinkman thing or what?

 

[Sanjuro]

Mark May pretty much nailed it. He did not give a fuck.

 

[eznark]

Just to be clear, and because people seem to be missing it, this is the 6-4 220 physically fit scumbag who ran and called daddy instead of stopping the violent rape of a 10 year old boy:

This guy was too chicken shit, too much of a coward and too dim-witted to know he should stop a 10 year old boy from literally getting fucked?!

This guy was so helpless and frightened by an old man that he had to call pappa to find out what to do next?

Indefensible.

 

[tapedeck]

For the first time ever I am agreeing with Mark May. He is going in on McCreary right now....


ESPN College Football Live now.


Whooooo Mark May...... damnnnnn he still goinnnn

Came to post this, I usually cannot stand him but damn he is on a warpath. I love it.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I don't have to read a fucking grand jury report to know that witnessing an old man raping a child is wrong and that my first instinct would be to rip him off the child and pin him down while I call the cops. I don't give a fuck if he's about to have a heart attack. Fuck this post.

Yes.

 

[Salaadin]

Wait so is this dude's name McCreary and the other version is like a "ha ha" gag or is this some Jesse Pinkman/Jessie Pinkman thing or what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McQueary

 

[Sanjuro]

Indefensible.

It's not. I keep dancing around the "I would have done this" scenario when he is brought up though. His actions aren't that of a coward, they are telling story of the type of atmosphere that was already ongoing at Penn State.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I don't know how Penn St. is going to be able to not fire McQueary either.

 

[Slizz]

Well now he won't be allowed on the sidelines.... Can't imagine he'd be allowed in the box at this point.

 

[eznark]

It's not. I keep dancing around the "I would have done this" scenario when he is brought up though. His actions aren't that of a coward, they are telling story of the type of atmosphere that was already ongoing at Penn State.

Nature v. nurture arguments mean nothing to me. I don't care if the guy was raised a coward or was turned into a coward. I care about what he is and how he behaves now.

He is a cowardly piece of shit who fled like a child when confronted with a situation that he could have changed for the better.

 

[wonderkins]

Came to post this, I usually cannot stand him but damn he is on a warpath. I love it.

He is PISSED. Fuck yes!

 

[Bowser]

Well now he won't be allowed on the sidelines.... Can't imagine he'd be allowed in the box at this point.

Link? Also, someone please post a link of Mark May when it hits ESPN.com, I wanna see this.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

It's not. I keep dancing around the "I would have done this" scenario when he is brought up though. His actions aren't that of a coward, they are telling story of the type of atmosphere that was already ongoing at Penn State.

Maybe so, but his first instinct was to run tell dad? And not call the cops?

I'm fucking floored bro. I really am.

I'm not sure what kind I person does that.

 

[CrankyJay]

Yes.

You don't agree?

(only asking because I said "Fuck this post" which could be interpreted as fuck my post and not fuck Bravo1's post). LOL

 

[Slizz]

Link? Also, someone please post a link of Mark May when it hits ESPN.com, I wanna see this.

No link, was reported on College Football Live after May's rant.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

You don't agree?

Yes, as in I agree 100% with you.

 

[wonderkins]

McQueary had such fealty to the JoePa cult, that the next day he goes and prostrates himself to the old man. Still no going to the police. No cramming Sandusky into dirt.

Nope. Next day, consult the grand and wonderful Joe.

 

[JumpingTheGun]

I need a link to the Mark May rant.

 

[Sanjuro]

Nature v. nurture arguments mean nothing to me. I don't care if the guy was raised a coward or was turned into a coward. I care about what he is and how he behaves now.

He is a cowardly piece of shit who fled like a child when confronted with a situation that he could have changed for the better.

That's not my point. It's not about him simply running away, it's about the story surrounding his actions. I posed the question before, what if McQueary was presented that same scenario in a alley or with a lowly janitor?

- McQueary was promoted rapidly after that date.

- He was fine with the school changing his "anal rape" situation to "horseplay". Sandusky was able to maintain an office on campus until LAST WEEK.

- He is still holding onto his current position, will be coaching this weekend. The board did not fire him so it is unlikely you will hear ANY comments from him in a immediate future.

There is an absurd amount that will be revealed in the coming weeks.

 

[tycoonheart]

Where is College Gameday this Saturday? Not at Penn State is it?

 

[Fenderputty]

It's not. I keep dancing around the "I would have done this" scenario when he is brought up though. His actions aren't that of a coward, they are telling story of the type of atmosphere that was already ongoing at Penn State.

None of this is a good excuse. Absolutely none of it.

 

[wonderkins]

Where is College Gameday this Saturday? Not at Penn State is it?

Yeah. It's a Penn home game.