Penny Arcade's Tycho uses vitriol and fancy wording to look like a tool
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godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
It's Mark Rein....
UT3 is a great game on the PS3 from what I hear (friend got if for Christmas), and I doubt it really needs mod support to be the best shooter available on that console, however, this is another case of over promising and under delivering from part of the hype machine which again has PS3 users as it's victims.
UT3 is a great game on the PS3 from what I hear (friend got if for Christmas), and I doubt it really needs mod support to be the best shooter available on that console, however, this is another case of over promising and under delivering from part of the hype machine which again has PS3 users as it's victims.
Metalmurphy
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facepalm.gifgodhandiscen said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9084784&postcount=244
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9084745&postcount=240
lol, Tyco is a dick. Does he not make enough to buy a PS3? It's obvious (but his tone) that he has some sort of grudge against the PS3, and / or Sony. He either needs to deal with it, or grow up.
This isn't even an ISSUE considering 99% of the people who probably bought this game, DON'T KNOW ABOUT MODS AT ALL.
Seriously. I'm pretty sure that him being upset that Mark is making it a 'console issue' stems from a liking / disliking of one console or the other.
Basically, Mark is FORCING MS to open up XBL, LIKE THEY FREAKING SHOULD. What the hell is wrong with that?
Let me get this straight now, to make sure I'm not stepping on any toes or missing any t's in need of crossing.
He's 'mad' because it's taking a little bit of time to get mods and maps up on PS3...when they will still be free? I don't recall him making a fuss when we had NO MAPS for Gears, and it took TIME and we had to PAY FOR THEM.
Tyco = Go fudge yourself.
This isn't even an ISSUE considering 99% of the people who probably bought this game, DON'T KNOW ABOUT MODS AT ALL.
Seriously. I'm pretty sure that him being upset that Mark is making it a 'console issue' stems from a liking / disliking of one console or the other.
Basically, Mark is FORCING MS to open up XBL, LIKE THEY FREAKING SHOULD. What the hell is wrong with that?
Let me get this straight now, to make sure I'm not stepping on any toes or missing any t's in need of crossing.
He's 'mad' because it's taking a little bit of time to get mods and maps up on PS3...when they will still be free? I don't recall him making a fuss when we had NO MAPS for Gears, and it took TIME and we had to PAY FOR THEM.
Tyco = Go fudge yourself.
AltogetherAndrews
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godhandiscen said:
Oh the drama! Seriously, did any of you critical critics working for truth and justice actually follow the supposed trail of lies and deceit here? Epic made it very clear that the process would most likely not be perfectly streamlined right at launch. But you knew that, right?
Pristine_Condition
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Tycho also made up the whole "hacked iPod" thing out of thin air in his response to the response.
You don't need a hacked iPod to use it as a USB storage device on the PS3. That's another outright LIE from Tycho.
The ability to use a portion of iPod storage for files doesn't require Linux or anything, and can even be done as a standard feature of the iTunes interface. And this isn't a new feature, either. I can't remember an iPod that didn't have this ability out of the box.
Boy, Tycho really is desperate to make Rein look bad, isn't he?
Tycho said:
You don't need a hacked iPod to use it as a USB storage device on the PS3. That's another outright LIE from Tycho.
The ability to use a portion of iPod storage for files doesn't require Linux or anything, and can even be done as a standard feature of the iTunes interface. And this isn't a new feature, either. I can't remember an iPod that didn't have this ability out of the box.
Boy, Tycho really is desperate to make Rein look bad, isn't he?
Warm Machine
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I have nothing against Mark Rein but people seem to read too much into what he says and love to jam words in his mounth like his "graphics" comment. Tycho here is just not being reasonable and is handling the situation really poorly. Its a fix to solve a problem and Epic is working on it. Nothing sucks more than having a problem that you already know about, trying to fix it and being ridden by other peoole (who are not helping solve it) to get the work done.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I still don't understand what everyone is arguing about :/
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Epic didn't include all the mod tools in the PC version of Unreal Tournament at launch. Tycho is also upset at the delivery method for using mods on a PS3. You need a memory card of some sort to use these; you can't just download them to your PS3 hard drive.
I think the problem is that Tycho raises some good points, but the points he makes are buried inside a bad response. His post shows he does not completely understand the situation and the post makes it sound like he is self-righteous, which is kind of his writing style if you follow his post.AltogetherAndrews said:
Metalmurphy
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Which still doesn't mean they're used to PC games modding... I mean.. they can't be, otherwise Tycho wouldn't post this nonsense.Gigglepoo said:
There are only 2 ways this process can be automated
1- Epic takes under the wing every single mod/map/etc... done and puts them on PSN, and Sony would have to allow it, which it would mean many of the mods wouldn't end up there. (Not going to happen)
2- Epic asks Sony to make the ingame browser able to download any file to the HDD. And probably add an uncompress .zip or .rar feature. (Don't see this happening either)
Gigglepoo said:
So basically Tyco is a dick, cheap ass gamer, doesn't have a PS3 (apparently, because he's wrong on a shit load of topics) AND he publicly made an ass of him self to everyone?
GG man. I seriously hope a lot of the industry takes note of it, I'd love to see jabs at him in many MANY games, humiliating ones though, nothing nice or funny. Either that, or I want someone to just randomly punch this jack ass in the nose so he can get over himself. Seems the only one with a complex is him, since no one else is complaining (but his PMS'ing ass...freaking sissy).
sprocket said:
He's saying that the cheaper model of the PS3 doesn't have the necessary USB ports. I'm not sure if this is true. I don't know anything about the cheaper model. The problem is that external storage is required for some reason. Tycho would prefer to use his PS3 hard drive rather than a flash drive. It's actually the exact opposite problem Wii owners are dealing with right now (people running out of hardware space and wishing they could play Virtual Console games directly from a USB stick).
Metalmurphy said:
You know how you can download Resistance maps and play them directly from your hard drive? He wants the same option for Unreal Tournament.
rollingstart
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sprocket said:
yeah, well apparently he also wants to express how he was screwed over for buying the cheaper PS3 model without card slots.
rollingstart
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theBishop said:
do you have a link to this?
Metalmurphy
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It's a MAJOR back door for PS3 viruses and hacks. Not going to happen. I suppose Epic could make 1 compressed file type for the mods that UT3 recognizes and decompresses. That would be safer. But still dangerous.besada said:
The average person also isn't interested in modding their games. I, for one, applaud Epic for stepping up and laying the groundwork for a feature that, when reaching a high level of accessibility, is going to bring a lot of new gamers into the mod world.
Its not like mods have traditionally been easy to get up and running... there's generally a few hoops the end user has to jump through to get them to work. Saying that Epic should have been able to make this a totally streamlined experience right out of the box makes Tycho come off as ignorant and childish.
Mods are meant to supplement a game's content and give it legs to keep running when other dogs are coming up to challenge. Having a 6 legged dog might give you an advantage out of the gate, but having a steady performance that picks up over time is more important IMO.
I could be wrong here, but Epic has been good to the mod community for a long time and I feel like they should be able to figure this all out soon.
rollingstart
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Firewire said:
yeah, 2 USB slots intead of 4, but it also doesnt have the multi memory card reader under the flap.
I think maybe he went to plug in an SD card, realized he bought the 40gig then flipped out.
sprocket said:
Can you expand on this? What slots did the $600 PS3 have that the $500 didn't? I own the expensive model so I have no idea what is and is not included in the cheaper model.
EDIT - This is about an SD Card? Do computers even have those? I thought only cameras and shit had SD Cards...
Why is Tycho bitching saying an iPod needs Linux to store files? You just need to throw on disk use. I think he just wanted to rant. I hope this whole thing about 'attacking' journalists and preserving 'gaming integrity' isn't going to be a new slant for his writing.
And hell, even a stack of blank CDs includes a USB drive. EVERYONE has them.
And hell, even a stack of blank CDs includes a USB drive. EVERYONE has them.
rollingstart
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Gigglepoo said:
you know the flap you can lift on the left side of the front of the PS3? it has slots to put in memory cards (SD, Compact Flash, Pro Media, all that stuff), the cheaper model doesnt have any of that.
Tieno said:
Yeah Mark Rein said they were discussing several ways of making it easier with Sony (UT3 forums). The real hang up here is that Sony has to approve the "cook" feature for the PC version. Once that is done, all mods that go through the "cook" feature will be certified to an extent for use on the PS3. Both Epic & Sony would no longer be involved in the process.
We don't exactly know what the end result for getting mods on to the PS3 will be, but they are focusing on the "cook" feature right now.
Epic wants it done on the PSN, but won't be involved so the question is how do moders get there stuff to Sony, so it can go up on PSN.
Metalmurphy
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Tieno said:
Theme's isn't "any file" or compressed one though. It's just an XML with images that the XMB it self already supports/recognizes.
*edit* oops, beaten.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Good lord can anyone have a decent argument in this thread without resorting to name-calling?
I read through Tycho's post again and not once did he call anyone a douche. But I see the word thrown around like it was "sir".
I read through Tycho's post again and not once did he call anyone a douche. But I see the word thrown around like it was "sir".
Linkzg said:
I actually didn't even know that. I only use USB anyway. I wonder why SD is so important to Tycho... And since you can transfer these mods from a memory storage device onto your hard drive, I don't really see why this is an issue anyway. Would you be able to download the mod onto you PC and use the PS3 to PC link to transfer it to your console?
Tieno
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But they'd just need to add support for whatever fileformat the UT3 maps are, luke .ut3 and download the map to the directory the game reads for custom maps. I don't see how this is anymore dangerous regarding hacks than with the USB method/memory card. The browser doesn't even need to execute anything.tha_con said:
Then if Epic lets you execute the browser from the game menu (like with Folding@home), that'd be even better.
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theBishop said:
uhhh, well atleast they arent beating around the bush when it comes to their stance on things.