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[Metalmurphy]

But they'd just need to add support for whatever fileformat the UT3 maps are, luke .ut3 and download the map to the directory the game reads for custom maps. I don't see how this is anymore dangerous regarding hacks than with the USB method/memory card. The browser doesn't even need to execute anything.

But those files are, atm, recognized by UT3 it self, they're imported withing UT3 that knows what to expect/accept/reject. The XMB doesn't, that's why Epic has to work with Sony on this. And tbh, I don't see Sony doing a firmware update just to accommodate 1 game.

 

[GhaleonEB]

uhhh, well atleast they arent beating around the bush when it comes to their stance on things.

New to PA?

 

[Gigglepoo]

uhhh, well atleast they arent beating around the bush when it comes to their stance on things.

They own a PS3 now. They have for months. They just didn't think it was worth $600 at launch. Do you think most video game writers own all three systems? Gabe and Tycho do now, I'm sure most people in the industry can't say the same.

 

[Mindlog]

Let me guess, another post history thread.

GAF is getting boring as hell.

 

[besada]

It's a MAJOR back door for PS3 viruses and hacks. Not going to happen. I suppose Epic could make 1 compressed file type for the mods that UT3 recognizes and decompresses. That would be safer. But still dangerous.

Let's call it a PZ3 file. Download the compressed archive to a rooted folder that can only be accessed by the game in question. Hell, if you want to get really tricky, digitally sign each of the packages from the EPIC dev environment and refuse to open them if they've been tampered with.

(I finished that thought for you).

You should probably work on having some of your own before you try finishing someone else's.

 

[Justin Timberlake]

I'm sick of these "Penny Arcade pwns <insert Jack Thompson, IGN, Mark Rein, etc.>" threads. Penny Arcade is just trying to get attention at this point.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

I think the next plan of action is to post PA's entire comic history to somehow prove they're either biased and/or unbiased and/or have bad haircuts and/or whatever.

Unfortunately I'm not allowed to hate on people who raise money for charity so count me out.

 

[Stoney Mason]

I'm sick of these "Penny Arcade pwns <insert Jack Thompson, IGN, Mark Rein, etc.>" threads. Penny Arcade is just trying to get attention at this point.

Or they have opinions and voice them like nearly everybody on this forum. Sometimes you will agree sometimes you won't.

 

[rollingstart]

New to PA?

ive been reading the comics for way too many years, but I never really read the blog posts.

They own a PS3 now. They have for months. They just didn't think it was worth $600 at launch. Do you think most video game writers own all three systems? Gabe and Tycho do now, I'm sure most people in the industry can't say the same.

well, im not exactly sure how this all works, but even if someone in the enthusiast press doesnt own the console they still have access to it when needing to review or cover a game.

that really doesnt have much to do with anything, but yeah.

:lol

I'm getting the distinct impression you thought I was making it up.

I didnt think that, its just one of those things where you dont expect a group to be so open about it.

but Penny Arcade is in a loop hole or something.

 

[theBishop]

uhhh, well atleast they arent beating around the bush when it comes to their stance on things.

:lol

I'm getting the distinct impression you thought I was making it up.

I'm all for people having clear opinions, *if* they are informed, and intelligent. When influential guys like the PA crew don't know you can store files on an ipod without putting linux on it (since 2001 btw), it casts some doubt on their ability to render an informed opinion on anything technical.

I like the PA guys when they are writing funny comics and blogging short impressions on games they've been playing. As consumer watchdogs, they do a pretty shitty job.

 

[Norml]

LOL,they try to be cool by making fun of people and dont even have the facts right.:lol

 

[FFChris]

I'm sick of these "Penny Arcade pwns <insert Jack Thompson, IGN, Mark Rein, etc.>" threads. Penny Arcade is just trying to get attention at this point.

Seems to work.

 

[Firewire]

From UT3 Forums...


"We didn't do any editing or changes to it. All we did was bring it into the editor and "cook" it into the proper format for the PlayStation 3 and tested it to make sure it ran properly and was good fun. We're waiting on some paperwork from Sony that will allow us to release an editor update so mod creators can do this cook process for themselves. We expect to have that very soon"

-Mark Rein

"If we enabled auto-download for maps and if users were downloading a 17Mb (there will be MUCH bigger mods than that!) mod from your PS3 it would kill your internet bandwidth to the point that it would SUCK as a game server and it wouldn't be a very good experience. We'll work with Sony and figure out some ways to make the process more seamless in the future but for now this is how you get a mod on to the PS3.

Having said that: there is an exception.... mutators are pretty small so we allow them to be auto-downloaded. So if you go to a server running that mutator it will download automatically and you will be able to play on that server. It won't show up in your "My Content" mutator list but it will be stored in the game's cache for the next time you play a server with that mutator. To get it in your "My Content" list, so you can use it in Instant Action or host game with it turned on, you'll have to go through the install process"

- Mark Rein

http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=593988

 

[Gigglepoo]

well, im not exactly sure how this all works, but even if someone in the enthusiast press doesnt own the console they still have access to it when needing to review or cover a game.

that really doesnt have much to do with anything, but yeah.

The point is, they aren't biased against the PS3, they thought it was a poor deal at launch. I thought the same thing, which is why I waited until the first price drop before picking one up. It doesn't mean they are angry at the PS3 and are trying to divert potential buyers to greener pastures, as some people in this thread like to suggest.

Some people are taking Tycho's rant as anti-PS3 when it is really anti-Epic. I think he over-reacted, but most of the points he makes are at least valid.

 

[GhaleonEB]

ive been reading the comics for way too many years, but I never really read the blog posts.

The blog posts are often just as harsh as the comics. (Often, one is needed to decipher the other.) Case in point: today's post. The only unusual thing about the post is that it features a direct response from Mark.

 

[rollingstart]

I'm all for people having clear opinions, *if* they are informed, and intelligent. When influential guys like the PA crew don't know you can store files on an ipod without putting linux on it (since 2001 btw), it casts some doubt on their ability to render an informed opinion on anything technical.

I like the PA guys when they are writing funny comics and blogging short impressions on games they've been playing. As consumer watchdogs, they do a pretty shitty job.

I do find it funny sometimes when an influencial group spreads misinformation.

I think it was last week that Gizmodo did a story about how the PS3 divx support was bad, then you read the comments and all these people start reacting to the false information like its correct and they base things off of it.

 

[Phoenix 2.0]

Both PA guys are PC gamers.

Old school ones at that. Their first comic was about Sin, for crying out loud, and they're both hardcore Tribes fans.

 

[Borys]

I've got an idea, fearless, vicious Sony fans!

Let's BAN Penny-Arcade from GAF! Just like Gamespot, C-Net, Kotaku and *******!

 

[spwolf]

I think that's too much work for a lot of people to do.

well then dont do it... thats how PC modding has worked for decades... and millions people do it .

Is there an PC game which has in-game browser to download user created mods? Not an fps that I know, and not CivIV which has huge modding community.

Now, Epic comes with first, free implementation for consoles, and only thing people do is bitch? Thats just bullshit. Sorry, but thats how it is.

Now that Epic has done it, they should go and bitch at every other game developer that doesnt have it and not Epic.

 

[Robert R1]

hm, in most cases, relying to server to send you an map nevere worked well - it was always shit slow not to hamper server - from Q3, to RTCW to UT to BF. You always had to go and download it from mod sites, extract it to appropriate folder and then you got it.

Has worked fine in Warcraft custom games and CS. I played both for many years and recall downloading via your method a hanful of times. And we're talking on the same machine for the games mentioned. Going from PS3 to PC to mem stick to PS3 is a chore.

Also, bandwidth, QOS and just delivery tech has improved greatly since the older days. Let's keep up with the times. BTW, if Epic does add this functionality later on, then it's clearly obvious even they felt the current method is too invovled. I'm thinking sales will ultimately determine the effort they will put forward on this front.

Here's a good question. Do you think XBLA games, demo and PSN content would be as popular if you saw it on there, wanted to play it, and went through the same procedure as the UT3 PS3 mods? The answer is an obvious no. When such services are being delivered at a click of a button, having this procedure is cumbersome to most and very much limits a self evolving community.

 

[Phoenix 2.0]

Penny-Arcade has whipped their legion fanbase into an anti-PS3 frenzy in the past (see: PAX 2006 keynote)

Yes, they said it was too expensive. Good lord what a anti-PS3 frenzy.

 

[Anth]

#1: could be Epic's fault, could be Sony's fault, could be midways's fault, could be just something that was lower on priority in the push to get the PS3 version out in time for Christmas.

Feature x is advertised. Feature x isn't actually in the released product and will be patched in at some unspecified point in the future. Yeah, we have learned to live with it, but outside of the computer and games industry, that isn't acceptable.

"Sorry your new car doesn't have wheels yet, we will send them to you sometime in the future. Sorry!"

We get that all the time with games, so it doesn't need to be pointed out every time, but the point still stands. The feature was minor this time, but it is still a missing feature.

#2: The existing USB feature was the absolute necessity to ensure full freedom to users. Beyond that, Rein has suggested the PSN Store, in-game browser, and Home as possible delivery methods to make things easier in the future.

The existing feature is far from ideal and vastly inferior to the corresponding PC features. Vague promises of continued support for released games don't convince me.

PS: nice "desperate PS3 fans" troll. This thread definitely needs more of that.

Um, I thought it was established that there is a sizeable amount of PS3-fanboys who will hype every announced game to the high heavens because the system has many good, but few or no outstanding titles yet (For my standard of outstanding, the Wii has no outstanding games other than Mario Galaxy yet).
Other consoles had and have similarly bad groups of course, as idiocy isn't tied to specific consoles.

If I implied that all PS3 owners are desperate, then I'm sorry, I didn't intend to.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

I've got an idea, fearless, vicious Sony fans!

Let's BAN Penny-Arcade from GAF! Just like Gamespot, C-Net, Kotaku and *******!

:lol :lol :lol

btw, I am out of the loop on why gamespot got banned...what happenned?

 

[Clipjoint]

What bothers me about this is that Epic is doing something POSITIVE for console gaming - they are supporting the mod community and trying to get the tools out there to allow FREE user created mods to work on the PS3 without any interference or oversight on Sony's part. And yet Mark Rein is getting attacked by PA for not having everything ready on day one because he has to jump through some legal hoops? Why doesn't PA go after the lazy devs who don't give a damn about users getting extra free content out of their games.

 

[RiskyChris]

Regardless of Tycho's tone, at least he's not being a prissy submissive bitch about the whole scenario, like most of the current gaming "journalism."

 

[test_account]

What is he actually complaining about, that you need a USB memorystick to transfer the mods to your PS3? And that the mod tools for PC arent avalible? (are they avalible now btw?)

 

[rollingstart]

The point is, they aren't biased against the PS3, they thought it was a poor deal at launch. I thought the same thing, which is why I waited until the first price drop before picking one up. It doesn't mean they are angry at the PS3 and are trying to divert potential buyers to greener pastures, as some people in this thread like to suggest.

Some people are taking Tycho's rant as anti-PS3 when it is really anti-Epic. I think he over-reacted, but most of the points he makes are at least valid.

penny arcade is in a loop hole where their impressions on games and such have impact, but they dont have to worry about journalistic integrity or fair coverage or things like that.

I dont really think they are biased against the PS3, but if they wanted to be then there would be no huge harm from their actions.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

:lol :lol :lol

btw, I am out of the loop on why gamespot got banned...what happenned?

They fired Jeff Gerstmann over his review of Kanye and Lich.
Do a search or something, there's a huge thread on it.

Oh and...WTF?

penny arcade is in a loop hole where their impressions on games and such have impact, but they dont have to worry about journalistic integrity or fair coverage or things like that.

You're full of it.

 

[proposition]

I'm confused, why do you have to put Linux on your iPod? Can you not just enable disk mode and use it like that?

 

[tha_con]

From the PAX06 QA session, I thought this comment by Walter was hilarious:

"Honestly, I am still interested in the PS3. I want to herald in HD gaming. I don't care that all Sony's stuff breaks."

Oh the irony.

 

[rollingstart]

You're full of it.

of what? I havent really eaten all day.

 

[Firewire]

What bothers me about this is that Epic is doing something POSITIVE for console gaming - they are supporting the mod community and trying to get the tools out there to allow FREE user created mods to work on the PS3 without any interference or oversight on Sony's part. And yet Mark Rein is getting attacked by PA for not having everything ready on day one because he has to jump through some legal hoops? Why doesn't PA go after the lazy devs who don't give a damn about users getting extra free content out of their games.

Don't get worked up.

Most of the people commenting about it in this thread don't own PS3's or UT3. They haven't even tried the process of bringing mods to the PS3. They don't know what is involved in bringing mods to the PS3, but they like to comment on what kind of chore it is, even though they've never attempted it.

 

[tha_con]

Good lord can anyone have a decent argument in this thread without resorting to name-calling?

I read through Tycho's post again and not once did he call anyone a douche. But I see the word thrown around like it was "sir".

You know, when a man talks to you like you're the dumbest piece of trash on the planet, basically saying you lied to everyone, you can't deliver, your game and support system is a fraud...he might as well have said that.

Tycho basically insulted him every chance he could, spread FUD, and resorted to flat out lies. If anyone needs to form a decent argument to support their stance, it's definitely his retarded ass.

 

[spwolf]

Has worked fine in Warcraft custom games and CS. I played both for many years and recall downloading via your method a hanful of times. And we're talking on the same machine for the games mentioned. Going from PS3 to PC to mem stick to PS3 is a chore.

Also, bandwidth, QOS and just delivery tech has improved greatly since the older days. Let's keep up with the times. BTW, if Epic does add this functionality later on, then it's clearly obvious even they felt the current method is too invovled. I'm thinking sales will ultimately determine the effort they will put forward on this front.

Here's a good question. Do you think XBLA games, demo and PSN content would be as popular if you saw it on there, wanted to play it, and went through the same procedure as the UT3 PS3 mods? The answer is an obvious no. When such services are being delivered at a click of a button, having this procedure is cumbersome to most and very much limits a self evolving community.

how big where those? You can download 20-30 MB maps from user servers without affecting everything because you have to do it while other people are playing the game... It mostly gets disabled on user servers on PC games.

This is not PSN game content - it is downloading files from user server while other people are playing games on it. And its free.

 

[Gigglepoo]

penny arcade is in a loop hole where their impressions on games and such have impact, but they dont have to worry about journalistic integrity or fair coverage or things like that.

Eh, they seem to have as much integrity as any other place. Integrity is forced on sites and publications by its readers. If readers demand an unbiased slant and the publications fails them, readers will leave. PA's readers expect them to shoot from the hip in their impressions, something "professional" sites seem unwilling to do. If, at any point, their words seem coerced by outside forces, I'm sure people will flock to another website.

 

[Borys]

Don't get worked up.

Most of the people commenting about it in this thread don't own PS3's or UT3. They haven't even tried the process of bringing mods to the PS3. They don't know what is involved in bringing mods to the PS3, but they like to comment on what kind of chore it is, even though they've never attempted it.

That's true in my case.

Here's my take on it: you PS3 owners should be grateful Epic even decided to give a 1/100th of shit and brought you some way of playing PC created mods on your console.

 

[Graphics Horse]

There's only one question that needs to be asked here:


Would this have been worth delaying the game for?

Delayed game vs delayed DLC implementation... I know which I'd choose.

 

[greendublin]

No, he pwned himself there. He is picking away at nothing and most of the time, he is wrong. You don't need to do anything to your iPod to use it as a USB drive with PS3. I'll back them up with the IGN AC thing, but this is bullshit. Stop being dicks PA.

 

[theBishop]

Feature x is advertised. Feature x isn't actually in the released product and will be patched in at some unspecified point in the future. Yeah, we have learned to live with it, but outside of the computer and games industry, that isn't acceptable.

"Sorry your new car doesn't have wheels yet, we will send them to you sometime in the future. Sorry!"

We get that all the time with games, so it doesn't need to be pointed out every time, but the point still stands. The feature was minor this time, but it is still a missing feature.

The existing feature is far from ideal and vastly inferior to the corresponding PC features. Vague promises of continued support for released games don't convince me.


Um, I thought it was established that there is a sizeable amount of PS3-fanboys who will hype every announced game to the high heavens because the system has many good, but few or no outstanding titles yet (For my standard of outstanding, the Wii has no outstanding games other than Mario Galaxy yet).
Other consoles had and have similarly bad groups of course, as idiocy isn't tied to specific consoles.

If I implied that all PS3 owners are desperate, then I'm sorry, I didn't intend to.

Actually the advertised feature is already included. If you've been following this at all, you know that user-generated mods are already available to owners of the PS3 version of UT3. No patch was required.

Welcome to member status.

 

[M3wThr33]

Just remember, Tycho thought Mega Man X meant Mega Man 10.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Eh, they seem to have as much integrity as any other place. Integrity is forced on sites and publications by its readers. If readers demand an unbiased slant and the publications fails them, readers will leave. PA's readers expect them to shoot from the hip in their impressions, something "professional" sites seem unwilling to do. If, at any point, their words seem coerced by outside forces, I'm sure people will flock to another website.

I was about to say this but you did a better job of it.

Just remember, Tycho thought Mega Man X meant Mega Man 10.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

 

[besada]

That's true in my case.

Here's my take on it: you PS3 owners should be grateful Epic even decided to give a 1/100th of shit and brought you some way of playing PC created mods on your console.

Why? EPIC is a console dev now. The sales of UTIII will see to that. They can't get away with blowing off the console userbase anymore than any other large dev these days.

 

[rollingstart]

Eh, they seem to have as much integrity as any other place. Integrity is forced on sites and publications by its readers. If readers demand an unbiased slant and the publications fails them, readers will leave. PA's readers expect them to shoot from the hip in their impressions, something "professional" sites seem unwilling to do. If, at any point, their words seem coerced by outside forces, I'm sure people will flock to another website.

chances are im wrong in my observation anyway, long time readers of their impressions would know better. I always thought that their comics lead people to read their posts which lead them to form up a huge fanbase who take their opinion to heart, but through this entire process they were still just regular gamers who had something to say.

 

[tha_con]

Eh, they seem to have as much integrity as any other place. Integrity is forced on sites and publications by its readers. If readers demand an unbiased slant and the publications fails them, readers will leave. PA's readers expect them to shoot from the hip in their impressions, something "professional" sites seem unwilling to do. If, at any point, their words seem coerced by outside forces, I'm sure people will flock to another website.

Eh, the difference is, sometimes PA pretends to have this 'integrity' like they are some sort of Messiah in gaming, unwilling to budge, yet they themselves are just as bad (IMO) as Gamespot or any other publication.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Has worked fine in Warcraft custom games and CS. I played both for many years and recall downloading via your method a hanful of times. And we're talking on the same machine for the games mentioned. Going from PS3 to PC to mem stick to PS3 is a chore.

Also, bandwidth, QOS and just delivery tech has improved greatly since the older days. Let's keep up with the times. BTW, if Epic does add this functionality later on, then it's clearly obvious even they felt the current method is too invovled. I'm thinking sales will ultimately determine the effort they will put forward on this front.

Here's a good question. Do you think XBLA games, demo and PSN content would be as popular if you saw it on there, wanted to play it, and went through the same procedure as the UT3 PS3 mods? The answer is an obvious no. When such services are being delivered at a click of a button, having this procedure is cumbersome to most and very much limits a self evolving community.

But that's how mods have ALWAYS worked and the community just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

And MODS aren't just maps. Lets not forget about full conversion mods that in no way could be downloaded that way.

 

[Firewire]

That's true in my case.

Here's my take on it: you PS3 owners should be grateful Epic even decided to give a 1/100th of shit and brought you some way of playing PC created mods on your console.

Exactly, this is the first free "user created content" for a console version of a game ever. We got 4 awesome maps no one had to pay for! These maps are quality maps that have the feel & look of UT3.

I'm very grateful to the PC community for taking the time & effort to make these maps & help bring them to the PS3! The maps are damn awesome, and a real joy to play.

 

[Clipjoint]

Can you currently bring user created content to the PS3 version of Unreal? Yes

Is it difficult to do? No

Is it a perfect system? No

Are they working on improving it? Yes

Does any other game come close to giving you the same implementation? No

Are the people who own Unreal happy with what they have so far? Yes

Do you need Linux to turn your Ipod into a storage device? HELL no

Basically, PA is full of shit.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Why? EPIC is a console dev now. The sales of UTIII will see to that. They can't get away with blowing off the console userbase anymore than any other large dev these days.

Borys is right to an extent, though. Obviously, every Epic game from here on out will be geared specifically for the console market, as it is much more lucrative. But Epic did not have to allow PS3 owners to download user created mods. Console owners are not used to such perks and would not miss them if Epic had decided it was too much trouble for no profit. PS3 owners should be happy that Epic threw them a tasty bone. I hope more developers follow suit.

 

[fastasleep]

Penny arcade are full of themselves and believers in their own hype. Previously, they attacked reviewers who didn't like assassin's crud, because their reviews didn't conform to their opinion. I thought even the low end reviews of AC were far too generous.

 

[Narag]

Eh, the difference is, sometimes PA pretends to have this 'integrity' like they are some sort of Messiah in gaming, unwilling to budge, yet they themselves are just as bad (IMO) as Gamespot or any other publication.

Let them. Their integrity will ultimately be decided if they can admit they're wrong which I suspect will happen in this case.