Iran is no Iraq people. I'd say I'd hope the pentagon knows this, but I seriously doubt it.
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Pentagon: Iran is a formidable force; missile capabilities much deadlier
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Iran is no Iraq people. I'd say I'd hope the pentagon knows this, but I seriously doubt it.
Iraq took a month and some change after the initial invasion and you think the second- largest country in the Middle East would take a week to defeat?
Lulwut?
Week? No
Four to five weeks to decimate the air defense/bases and military infrastructure is very possible. I would think more use of cruise missiles.
el retorno
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Why is it that we all KNOW this. We know its bullshit. Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran. Its all a giant lie.
Honest question, are we really just all(as americans) Allowing this to happen? Is it because there is no one to really go to? Theres no higher power to complain to? Its a feeling of being helpless. It really is.
? that was a joke, they call for cuts in that budget. It was to say if your gonna talk about the military-industrial complex point the figure at the real villains, contractors who lobby congress, not the generals.
DOBERMAN INC
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Iran will naturally become a more moderate country as the old people start dying off. Just as the US will become more liberal (or as the rest of the world would see it, centrist).
Not too sure about this, in the 70s before the Islamic revolution Iran was very different than it is today and those are the people running the show now.
Unless they change soon,expect another 30-40 years of hostility, to which both sides of this stupid mess have caused.
theignoramus
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-02-13/budget-defense-base-closings/53075444/1
All they want are bigger budgets.
They don´t want war. They want the apearence of a conflict right around the corner a boogieman. They don´t want to actually start it and fight it. What major military action has Netanyahu ever actually done for being such a war mongerer (I agree his rhetoric is absurd and makes me want to vomit sometimes.)
Uh, do you ever read Haaretz? Netanyahu is a nutcase who views the conflict in apocalyptic terms. He and Ehud Barak are for airstrikes on Iran, but his military generals and a few other key individuals are against it. I dont think you understand that Netanyahu actually believes his own rhetoric when he compares Iran to the Amalekites. (or Nazi Germany)
? that was a joke, they call for cuts in that budget. It was to say if your gonna talk about the military-industrial complex point the figure at the real villains, contractors who lobby congress, not the generals.
By joke, I mean false information about why to go to war with someone. Iran technically has already been setup for war with the sanctions. The world is strangling them financially. There is a roadmap of Freedom coming their way of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. We've been watching this unfold country by country. Syria will fall, then it will be onto Iran. There is nothing stopping it when the people that decide whether or not you want to go to war are doing everything they can to provoke one. Syria shoots down a plane that invades their airspace, as it was originally reported before the spin, and clinton is calling for heads to roll. Its fucked.
Iran will naturally become a more moderate country as the old people start dying off. Just as the US will become more liberal (or as the rest of the world would see it, centrist).
you think so? corporate interests will dictate that it'll swing towards conservatism.
theignoramus
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-02-13/budget-defense-base-closings/53075444/1
All they want are bigger budgets.
They don´t want war. They want the apearence of a conflict right around the corner a boogieman. They don´t want to actually start it and fight it. What major military action has Netanyahu ever actually done for being such a war mongerer (I agree his rhetoric is absurd and makes me want to vomit sometimes.)
No, the American right wingers, like Charles Krauthammer, whom George W dismissively called one of the "bomber boys" very much want a war with Iran. Back in 2007, Norman Podhoretz was giving speeches calling for immediate bombardment of Iran. Benny Morris wrote an oped in the New York Times saying that Israel might be "forced" to use nuclear weapons in a first strike against iran. (Morris is an Israeli, but he was given space in the most important newspaper on the planet to argue for a nuclear first strike on Iran) Gen. Charlie Ward, former Deputy Commander of United States European Command, wrote an oped in the Wall Street Journal agitating for a air strikes. the climate of warmongering was well established years ago.
No, the American right wingers, like Charles Krauthammer, whom George W dismissively called one of the "bomber boys" very much want a war with Iran. Back in 2007, Norman Podhoretz was giving speeches calling for immediate bombardment of Iran. Benny Morris wrote an oped in the New York Times saying that Israel might be "forced" to use nuclear weapons in a first strike against iran. Charlie Ward, former Deputy Commander of United States European Command, wrote an oped in the Wall Street Journal agitating for a air strikes. the climate of warmongering was well established years ago.
So do you think that we are on a direct path with war in Iran? How would you guess its going to kick off?
Pentagon: "We outspend every country in the world combined on military spending but we need more money"
Seriously people, this is pretty obvious.
I wholeheartedly agree. Its one of the few things that just grinds my gears.
el retorno
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Uh, do you ever read Haaretz? Netanyahu is a nutcase who views the conflict in apocalyptic terms. He and Ehud Barak are for airstrikes on Iran, but his military generals and a few other key individuals are against it. I dont think you understand that Netanyahu actually believes his own rhetoric when he compares Iran to the Amalekites. (or Nazi Germany)
He has delusions of grandeur but I don´t think he wants it has much as his generals. If anything he wants a bombing campaign and thinks it will be like syria or iraq. I still though think its more electoral politics. He´s been saying the same thing for YEARS and still hasn´t acted. I´ve read some of the stuff in Haaretz (less now cause they closed themselves behind a paywall.) I still don´t think the attacks are as likely or desired as they are portrayed.
Pentagon: "We outspend every country in the world combined on military spending but we need more money"
Seriously people, this is pretty obvious.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-02-13/budget-defense-base-closings/53075444/1Because they're ruled by dickheads that only care about increasing their budget?
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-army-to-cut-several-brigades-to-save-money/1
The pentagon released a standard type report the media freaks out because its about Iran which they are hyping up. The blame needs to go to the media and outside agents rather than the governments or military. They´re the ones calling for war or presenting the case that its inevitable.
Iran is no Iraq people. I'd say I'd hope the pentagon knows this, but I seriously doubt it.
Maybe so but I have no doubts we'd steamroll the country still. If only a war with them would mean simply that, crushing them and leaving. Sadly we have to stay and play The Sims with every country.
Why would the military want to go to war with Iran?
Because they're ruled by dickheads that only care about increasing their budget?
TacticalFox88
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Pentagon: "We outspend every country in the world combined on military spending but we need more money"
Seriously people, this is pretty obvious.
You do realize the Pentagon are some of the ones actively fighting to LOWER the massive defense budget, right? Right?!
theignoramus
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He has delusions of grandeur but I don´t think he wants it has much as his generals. If anything he wants a bombing campaign and thinks it will be like syria or iraq. I still though think its more electoral politics. He´s been saying the same thing for YEARS and still hasn´t acted. I´ve read some of the stuff in Haaretz (less now cause they closed themselves behind a paywall.) I still don´t think the attacks are as likely or desired as they are portrayed.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-02-13/budget-defense-base-closings/53075444/1
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-army-to-cut-several-brigades-to-save-money/1
Netanyahu is delusional, but he's not stupid. Israel doesnt have the capacity to destroy Iran's nuclear program, the most they could do was damage it, or set it back a few years. If the Israelis were to bomb Iran, Netanyahu's aim would be to drag the US into the fight to finish the job.
You do realize the Pentagon are some of the ones actively fighting to LOWER the massive defense budget, right? Right?!
yes they fight so hard that they only end up spending half a trillion every year. Its a bit of lip service. **Sorry, looks like its a trillion this year.. Bravo for them shelving a few brigades though.
I think we are all able to admit that there is a military machine in the works, with a trillion dollar budget, right now. That budget will increase when we more than likely, end up in another battle.
Maybe so but I have no doubts we'd steamroll the country still. If only a war with them would mean simply that, crushing them and leaving. Sadly we have to stay and play The Sims with every country.
We weren't able to steamroll them in the past. They have a tendency to not give up. Hell, I think most in the middle east have that trait. Sure, we can blow a country up and dive it into chaos though. Thats just not a war to me. War has a reason. The reasons for going to war with Iran are not worth it, when we are fine with others having nukes. Even with human rights, America doesn't go to every African village around the world to protect the peace. Its just so damned apparent. I wish things were done like the old days, when the government was slick.
theignoramus
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Of course the US can defeat Iran, that's not an issue, the issue is whether the US is willing the absorb the cost of a military victory against iran. Iran could inflict serious casualties by firing off missiles at US bases.
Remember the Gulf War? One SCUD missile hit a US army barracks, killed 28 soldiers and injured a hundred more.
Remember the Gulf War? One SCUD missile hit a US army barracks, killed 28 soldiers and injured a hundred more.
el retorno
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Netanyahu is delusional, but he's not stupid. Israel doesnt have the capacity to destroy Iran's nuclear program, the most they could do was damage it, or set it back a few years. If the Israelis were to bomb Iran, Netanyahu's aim would be to drag the US into the fight to finish the job.
I also don´t think the Israeli-US friendship is that firm to that he´d test it and intentionally bring them into a war. The US said F-off in the Suez. While I dont see the US abandoning Israel if there is a conflict Israel would probably face a different US after the fact especially if the conflict is a long and hard one less money, support in the UN. They lose everything if this goes down. I think he also realize what kind of conflict Israel itself would have to face and the deaths he would have to have under "his" war. You said it yourself, he´s not stupid.
Can the Pentagon go away already?
but what about Micheal Bay movies?
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I wish things were done like the old days, when the government was slick.
Sorry, I dont really want to stick my head into the midst of poli-GAF, but what exactly do you mean by this? slick as in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état from the TPAJAX Project? You know, the start of the U.S. involvement in the middle east, or the slick when we were overthrowing the government of various banana republics and earning their modern day ire? That kind of slick?
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