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'You'll take American cultural imperialism and you'll shut up.'Let me iterate once again: People's opinions outside of the US are irrelevant when talking about media being made in the US for the US.
'You'll take American cultural imperialism and you'll shut up.'Let me iterate once again: People's opinions outside of the US are irrelevant when talking about media being made in the US for the US.
I agree with what your saying. Just nitpicking.I reduced it to just the women wanting to date white men thing a bit facetiously, but it's no secret Asians generally do "worship" white people. I mean we even have a word in Chinese for it.
It's a pretty significant reason why a lot of Asian-Americans are so frustrated with things like white-washing. It's an issue we deal with growing up here in the West and being virtually not represented, but the worst part is that the majority of your own people across the ocean not only think it's fine, but support it.
I was trying to think of unusual roles for a male Asian actor in Hollywood. Ken Jeong came to mind. Now I feel unwell. Brb.
But maybe you're onto something. The act of becoming more visible and drawing attention to oneself, perhaps by becoming physically brighter, doesn't seem too far fetched of an explanation.
He's a famous celebrity in Korea and she's a huge fan which is why she's so surprised.
If there is anyone who would actually worship white people, I can only imagine it's because they have never spent any significant amount of time living/working/studying with them.
People who do would never think they're hot shit (as far as generalization goes).
doesnt that apply to worshipping any specific race of people?
I think it's apt to say Japan worships celebrities and celebrity culture as well. Not just white people. Hollywood is worshipped.
This isn't a Japan exclusive issue. It's a worldwide problem and it's fucking disgusting. From India to Jamaica to several parts of the middle east, people revere lighter complexions to the point that you have products that help people achieve just that or, in Jamaicas case, people bleaching their skin with devistating consequences.
Personally I love having dark skin. Pigment bros checking in.
My girlfriend, who is half japanese and lived there for quite some time was nicknamed "kuro-chan" by the japanese.I can't speak for the Japanese, or other races' experiences, but I usually feel that they are nice because it is easy to tell that I am a foreigner and its in their nature to be nice to guests. Few of my asian friends who have been to Japan also love their hospitality, so it can't be just be me.
I don't feel worshipped, I feel welcomed.
I was trying to think of unusual roles for a male Asian actor in Hollywood. Ken Jeong came to mind. Now I feel unwell. Brb.
Is this your girlfriend?My girlfriend, who is half japanese and lived there for quite some time was nicknamed "kuro-chan" by the japanese.
Of course, things changed when she showed that she knew english. When they though she was american, they treated her well.
Whether the artist intends it or not, if you ask a Japanese person on the street what they think a stylized character's nationality is, they'll say Japanese unless it's explicitly not. People fill in characters with their cultural default. That's why westerners see stylized anime characters named Mikasa Sakamoto or whatever as white.
It's because whatever culture (Japanese, American, etc) see stylized characters as whatever is the cultural norm in their media. White people are the default in America, Japanese people are the default in Japan.
That's what I was saying.
Mukokuseki is the use of ambiguous racial features in anime, with characters having traits like wide eyes, light skin, great stature, and various hair colors. It literally means "stateless", though the term relates to more abstract anime and is used for hyperbole in this case.
This can be seen in fantasy and science fiction anime, where characters are given colored hair, enlarged eyes, and oddly proportioned human bodies. Phenotype Stereotypes are used to differentiate Western characters from Japanese ones, and the actual features are sometimes not intended to be a direct matchup of reality. It can cause some other problems with a Live Action Adaptation... do you cast a character based on canon ethnicity or what they actually look like?
The general reason behind the presence of mukokuseki is to diversify the character roster and distinguish between individuals, which is more often required in works set in the largely homogenous Japan, where hair and eye colours are typically (naturally) black and brown only, respectively. This usually only gets noticeable with a large enough cast that gives a sampling of the artistic style given for a particular ethnicity. You may find two characters who are Asian while one of them has more in common visually with a Caucasian character. Note that just because you perceive someone as being a particular ethnicity despite Word of God saying otherwise doesn't mean it is this trope. The comparison between characters of different races is where this trope is the most obvious.
This trope has not transitioned well when the time comes around for the Hollywood Live Action Adaptation. As most Western audiences generally perceive all characters to be white unless stated otherwise, whitewashing has become all too common in Hollywood when casting actors to play an otherwise Japanese character (see the controversy around the live action movies of Avatar: The Last Airbender, Dragon Ball and the upcoming Akira for example). See the link under 'Discussions' for more.
Note that even stories that deliberately avoid this may have a main character who fits the bill, especially if that character's design is primarily based on their cuteness or oddity. Heck, another reason this trope is so prevalent is because in Japan white skin is widely considered to be the most beautiful. Some anime even take it to the extent that if they darken the tone of a character that is supposed to look relatively African...the skin is hardly darkened at all, leading to Unfortunate Implications on the author's part...
I was trying to think of unusual roles for a male Asian actor in Hollywood. Ken Jeong came to mind. Now I feel unwell. Brb.
"It's a worldwide problem and it's fucking disgusting. From India to Jamaica to several parts of the middle east, people revere darker complexions to the point that you have products that help people achieve just that or, in USAs case, people using tanning beds on their skin with devistating consequences.
Personally I love having lighter skin."
Just to highlight the double standards and hypocrisy I've been reading here.
And before anyone assumes anything, I'm brown.
You also missed the point. The issue is that there is a europeanized version of beauty thats permiated worldwide and even though the poster is of the much maligned darker skinned, he still loves it.
Hold up...WHAT?!"It's a worldwide problem and it's fucking disgusting. From India to Jamaica to several parts of the middle east, people revere darker complexions to the point that you have products that help people achieve just that or, in USAs case, people using tanning beds on their skin with devistating consequences.
Personally I love having lighter skin."
Just to highlight the double standards and hypocrisy I've been reading here.
And before anyone assumes anything, I'm brown.
What Asian lady has a body like Scarlett Johansson?
You also missed the point. The issue is that there is a europeanized version of beauty thats permiated worldwide and even though the poster is of the much maligned darker skinned, he still loves it.
You must run out and punch a radio when James Brown's civil rights era "Black And Proud" comes on, or yell at women with "Girl Power" t shirts. Slogans//sayings being proud of one's societal minority status are important. Read a book.
Becky isn't a model, nor is the other guy.What. If anything there are too many worthless biracial fashion models as is.
Uhuh. All I was saying is this idea that all Asian women want to date/marry White men isn't true. And it shouldn't be a surprise that being an exotic foreigner makes dating easier.
Clark Kent is clearly Asian.
Yeah, I live in Vietnam and recenlty there are many black male prostitutes from Africa "working" in my city. Women, especially older women, LOVE them, well I guess because of how hung they are compared to the local men
"It's a worldwide problem and it's fucking disgusting. From India to Jamaica to several parts of the middle east, people revere darker complexions to the point that you have products that help people achieve just that or, in USAs case, people using tanning beds on their skin with devistating consequences.
Personally I love having lighter skin."
Just to highlight the double standards and hypocrisy I've been reading here.
And before anyone assumes anything, I'm brown.
Clark Kent is clearly Asian.
I'm all for being proud of who you are and where youre from.
I also don't have a problem if people find fairer skin to be attractive. It's there opinion and if that's what they find attractive, it's not for anyone to tell them otherwise.
It's funny how any time anyone likes anything white/fair skinned, they are being shouted at that they've been brainwashed and how "disgusting" it is to have such opinions. But it's okay to say how proud you are if you're darker skinned? Sorry but I don't accept that.
There is such racist undertones with the way people talk about how horrible it is to aspire to be fair in skin colour for those that want it. I don't begrudge fair skinned people wanting tans either.
Let people do what they please and stop being so bloody judgemental.
If true, it'd be kind of an interesting irony that black people having their ethnic/national origins obscured by slavery could allow them to coalesce as a sub-group in America and see any black representation benefitting the whole group.
The point went right over your head. If that was the case, it's not, then it would be an issue. No one is saying that it's bad to like the way you look when you have light skin, the issue is that in many places people have an unhealthy obsession with getting lighter skin. People around the world are literally poisoning themselves because they don't like their natural skin tone.
It took years but DC finally got it right
Damn. What is this word and what does it translate to?I reduced it to just the women wanting to date white men thing a bit facetiously, but it's no secret Asians generally do "worship" white people. I mean we even have a word in Chinese for it.
You're a little in over your head. Rather than give this contribution, sit back watch and learn something."It's a worldwide problem and it's fucking disgusting. From India to Jamaica to several parts of the middle east, people revere darker complexions to the point that you have products that help people achieve just that or, in USAs case, people using tanning beds on their skin with devistating consequences.
Personally I love having lighter skin."
Just to highlight the double standards and hypocrisy I've been reading here.
And before anyone assumes anything, I'm brown.
Okatsuka knows her stuff!This is such a good discussion.
So many good parts to quote.
God bless these women.
You're a little in over your head. Rather than give this contribution, sit back watch and learn something.
Pretty much any culture of people who are capable of tanning will tend too see whiter skin as preferable. Even before they had contact with white people. For most of history if you were tanned you were a peseant who had to work in the fields, while if you were pale then it meant you were wealthy/influential enough to avoid such work. Thus the whiter the skin the more prestige assumed.
I was trying to think of unusual roles for a male Asian actor in Hollywood. Ken Jeong came to mind. Now I feel unwell. Brb.
What guy?Becky isn't a model, nor is the other guy.
Fashion models are completely different from talent stars who appear in every facet of entertainment.
What guy?
If your on tv you are a 'talent'.
It's funny how any time anyone likes anything white/fair skinned, they are being shouted at that they've been brainwashed and how "disgusting" it is to have such opinions. But it's okay to say how proud you are if you're darker skinned? Sorry but I don't accept that.
There is such racist undertones with the way people talk about how horrible it is to aspire to be fair in skin colour for those that want it. I don't begrudge fair skinned people wanting tans either.
Let people do what they please and stop being so bloody judgemental.
Right. Also a model and a talent. Your attempt at a joke was still dumb.Dante Carver, you know, what I was responding to?
Becky isn't a model, nor is the other guy.
Fashion models are completely different from talent stars who appear in every facet of entertainment.
I always thought Lex Luthor in the DC animated universe was black. He still is to me.
Apparently he is supposed to be based on Telly Savalas though.
My bad, point taken.I have some advice for you too. Make your point without the condescension. People may just listen to you then.
I always thought Lex Luthor in the DC animated universe was black. He still is to me.
Apparently he is supposed to be based on Telly Savalas though.
Isn't it the same in China and south Korea as well?
For some reason I immediately thought of Terry Bogard, Andy Bogard, and Rock Howard from the Fatal Fury series. You don't get much whiter than those characters.