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I think the Xbox 360 is and will prove a wonderful piece of gaming hardware. Utterly groundbreaking.

I think Rare on the other hand, has been fucking found out at last.

Good.

My prediction:

Rare will be closed. The IP will be shifted to MGS and given the treatment it deserves. About two years away.

 

[monkeyrun]

:lol it's celda all over again, the only difference is ... it's MS this time.

 

[Shiggy]

Because Starfox Adventures and GBTG were average. Because Conker is a port of an n64 game. Because Kameo started life 4 years ago and the design of the game does not reflect Rare's status as of this minute.

Rare's last two stabs at original games (SFA & GBTG) are a better indication of their quality than graphically upgraded ports.

Sorry, but Kameo was in development already in 1999/2000.

 

[ziran]

rare doesn't seem to have much luck. pd0 looks okay, but not the mind blowing launch title i was expecting.

bungie should've been expanded and have a new killer fps for launch.

 

[EviLore]

5,000 polys per character.




Quake Three Arena had 1-3kish poly characters when it came out in 1999, with 32 players possible on screen, and it ran smoothly on my pentium 2 333 mhz w/ a geforce 256.



And this is their showcase product for their massive 80 million potential viewer worldwide unveiling? You can say "effects," like bumpmapping, normal mapping, soft shadowing, and intelligent character modelling, and those would be valid if PDZ didn't look like a dreamcast game.

People will be sacked.

 

[Diffense]

It's clear MS is rushing. The limited success due to launching first will prove illusory if you don't have a solid product the keep people's interest. IMO, they'd be better of showing slick demos rather than games that are in an embarassing state of incompletion. On the up side, the kameo shots look nice.

 

[Laurent]

need the video, can someone please post the link

Je seconde...

 

[DSN2K]

indeed where is this PDZ video ?

 

[God's Hand]

:lol it's celda all over again, the only difference is ... it's MS this time.

Yeah, except "Celda" actually looked good. And still does.

 

[mr_sockochris]

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Slo]

Did you guys see Madden yet?

Che?

 

[Dr_Cogent]

I can't find any screenshots on 1up. Did they remove them?

 

[SantaC]

I can't find any screenshots on 1up. Did they remove them?

probably hammered :lol

 

[SolidSnakex]

I can't find any screenshots on 1up. Did they remove them?

http://www.1up.com/do/media?cId=3138147

 

[Dr_Cogent]

probably hammered :lol

Well, 1up loads, its just that the screenshots never appear on the page.

I even thought maybe it was Firefox and loaded up IE. Same deal. I click on the one thumbnail I see, but then I get a page with everything but the screenie. Oh well.

 

[Alf-Life]

They're up on RareNet's PDZ and Kameo screenshots pages, if you can't be bothered to trawl through this thread or wait for 1up to stop getting hammered. Here.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

OK, saw the shots.

I'm NOT impressed.

 

[3rdman]

Damage control mode on...

Ok, so it looks like ass...but there is a possible silver lining in all this...None of what we've seen is part of the single player game. Perhaps MS wants to keep the single player game a secret until E3 when they have their press conference and perhaps they've not had a real chance at upgrading the Multi-player aspect until recently. Maybe thats a bit of a strech, but I don't see how those who made Conker and Kameo could've suddenly lost all their graphic abilities - if anything, we should assume that it WILL look better.

So, in the end, maybe PD0 won't be as hot as we have hoped, but hope is not dead yet and until we see it running on final hardware, it is far too early to make any serious judgements. Lastly, what is really annoying in all these fanboy-induced riots is the assumption that PD0's graphics are indicative of what the hardware is capable of. The machine is gonna kick all types of ass if the videos are of any indication.

Damage Control Done...

 

[bigNman]

Sorry, but Kameo was in development already in 1999/2000.

I was going to say 5 years but then I thought "no, it cant possibly be that ancient"

 

[Alf-Life]

Even if it ends up looking that way - at least it'll all be at 60fps.

Anyone else think that shot of Joanna looks particularly like NOLF meets Tron 2.0?


Still, my intial knee-jerk reaction was disappointment.

 

[Blimblim]

One thing I do not understand is that I saw one (yes one single) screenshot of the game a few weeks ago, and it looked much better than this. I can't say I was really impressed by what I saw at the time (it looked ok for next gen I guess, not "Gears of Wars" incredible), but it's nothing compared to these awful awful awful awful screenshots. And of course Joanna's model was quite a bit different, much more detailed, especially the face and hair.
I *really* wonder what's microsoft is up to now. Why kill the buzz around this game with awful screens when you have something much better looking available?

 

[Razoric]

Lastly, what is really annoying in all these fanboy-induced riots is the assumption that PD0's graphics are indicative of what the hardware is capable of. The machine is gonna kick all types of ass if the videos are of any indication.

Don't blame the fanboys. Blame MS for making PZ0 it's Xbox 360 flagship title. That game represents the X360.

 

[+Aliken+]

Are the pics official?

 

[sol5377]

looks like the screens were pulled. Microsoft probably caught wind of all the negative publicity the game was getting and decided instead to release single-player (better looking screens) at E3. In the MTV clip, PDO looked pretty nice in split-screen multiplayer mode (much better than the screens would indicate) and the single player mode is probably even better. Patience.

 

[Ghost]

looks like the screens were pulled. Microsoft probably caught wind of all the negative publicity the game was getting and decided instead to release single-player (better looking screens) at E3. In the MTV clip, PDO looked pretty nice in split-screen multiplayer mode (much better than the screens would indicate) and the single player mode is probably even better. Patience.

for the last time, the shots have not been pulled.

http://www.1up.com/do/media?cId=3138147

If you cant see them, there's a problem your end.



These are real shots, and they'll be in this months EGM.

 

[Razoric]

for the last time, the shots have not been pulled.

http://www.1up.com/do/media?cId=3138147

If you cant see them, there's a problem your end.



These are real shots, and they'll be in this months EGM.

Oh god... they are showing those in magazines too? :lol :lol :lol

 

[Alf-Life]

Speaking for those Kameo pics that someone posted... how come Kameo now has a horse and a LOTR-style battlefield full of enemies?
Do they have to rip every idea from Nintendo? :-/ Meh.

 

[sol5377]

for the last time, the shots have not been pulled.

http://www.1up.com/do/media?cId=3138147

If you cant see them, there's a problem your end.



These are real shots, and they'll be in this months EGM.

pulled or not, the game looked better in motion, even in split screen mode on MTV. Single player mode and the final build will blow those shots away.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Oh god... they are showing those in magazines too? :lol :lol :lol

:lol

 

[Redbeard]

Speaking for those Kameo pics that someone posted... how come Kameo now has a horse and a LOTR-style battlefield full of enemies?
Do they have to rip every idea from Nintendo? :-/ Meh.

Or, you know, Lord of the Rings...

moron

 

[Zerodoppler]

So if characters are 5000 polys each and the environments are 100000 polys, that should leave room for about... 99980 characters on-screen at once. OMG

 

[FortNinety]

Here is my hope with rare and PD0

Remember conker live and reloaded when it was first announced for xbox

and look where it is now

And how many years did it take for that to happen?

If I was MS, I'd be seriously pissed and on the phone with Rare.

 

[Alf-Life]

Or, you know, Lord of the Rings...

moron

Hah, different medium, mate. What's wrong with her wings, she was fine flying about before Zelda Reborn...

 

[Lakitu]

One thing I do not understand is that I saw one (yes one single) screenshot of the game a few weeks ago, and it looked much better than this. I can't say I was really impressed by what I saw at the time (it looked ok for next gen I guess, not "Gears of Wars" incredible), but it's nothing compared to these awful awful awful awful screenshots. And of course Joanna's model was quite a bit different, much more detailed, especially the face and hair.
I *really* wonder what's microsoft is up to now. Why kill the buzz around this game with awful screens when you have something much better looking available?

Yes the Joanna model on the MTV show looked much better and more detailed, what's up with that...

 

[mr_gimp]

it was probably a test render for the motion capture

 

[Ninja Scooter]

pulled or not, the game looked better in motion, even in split screen mode on MTV. Single player mode and the final build will blow those shots away.

sure it looked better in motion, if crappy n64 style framerates impress you. You could tell the game was running like shit from a mile away on that MTV special.

 

[tedtropy]

What a thread to wake up to.

I'd say she looked more like

Dude, that's the only pretty thing in this thread so far.

 

[quetz67]

I dont really want to defend Rare, I am pretty disappointed...

...but to always compare it to Gears of War is a little unfair. Those guys just took an existing engines, tweaked the models a little and call it a game. It probably doesnt run on any xbox hardware, its more or less like saying "this is what we hope our game will look like"

 

[Dracos]

I'd really like to be privy to the office chatter and meetings in the Rare and Xbox offices today.

 

[JackFrost2012]

I'd really like to be privy to the office chatter and meetings in the Rare and Xbox offices today.

Yeah, I'd love to be a guy on that wall.

--I mean fly!!

 

[olimario]

you smoke crack don't you Oli?

You bitch about Grass but you praise this POS?

Damn must you always be the wildcard?

:lol :lol :lol

I said the animation looks slick and the game looks fun.
I didn't praise the shit graphics. Fucking moron total.

 

[Zelda-Bitch]

Dude, that's the only pretty thing in this thread so far.

God i want her.

 

[tedtropy]

I said the animation looks slick and the game looks fun.
I didn't praise the shit graphics. Fucking moron total.

Tsk-tsk. What happened to the more Christ-friendly Oli? Turn the other cheek. Borrow your girlfriend's if you've run out of your own.

 

[Alf-Life]

Yeah, I'd love to be a guy on that wall.

--I mean fly!!

:lol :lol :lol

He looks a bit TF2 to me, that pesky Wall Guy.

It's not precisely a radar, it's not precisely a map, and it's not precisely a threat sensor...it's all of these. We're going to call it "that thing in the corner of your screen," and what that thing does is show the proximity of friendly and hostile targets, but only if they're making a certain amount of noise.

Isn't this what Far Cry already has?


Still, after the initial outburst everyone's had, I'm betting it'll still play really well (online co-op, Halo-style 'replayability because of the emergent AI') - GE/PD's engine is so fun, they can't screw that up unless the game is full of Skedar and Elvis' pals with Star-Spangled Banner waistcoats...

 

[silver]

Dude, that's the only pretty thing in this thread so far.

Who's this?

Yes, I bumped this thread only to ask that question. You better believe it.

 

[ellusions]

Who's this?

Yes, I bumped this thread only to ask that question. You better believe it.

Jessica Alba