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Persona 4 Arena Ultimax |OT| It's SHO time!
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Ragingnight
Member
i think im rrdragon88 on psn
and yukiko can't dia's teddie's awakening and he can SB it? WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF that shit does so much damage. I fucked up both times by super jumping instead of jumping then delay double jump airdash d or whatever
F U are you done for tonight lol
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Were you holding it or did you time it for Bear Circus?
mullet2000
Member
Wow, Margaret is so damn fun to play.
I was expecting Adachi to be my main pre-release but one night with Margaret has converted me.
I was expecting Adachi to be my main pre-release but one night with Margaret has converted me.
Xenoflare
Member
Marge's JP VA is Sayaka Ohara, and her Beatrice vibe (Umineko) from Marge is a stronger than I thought.
Umineko also has a fighting game.....
Beatrice is the woman with the orange hair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne0gq5Yb4ag
Umineko also has a fighting game.....
Beatrice is the woman with the orange hair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne0gq5Yb4ag
Xenoflare
Member
Yeah, I'm practicing with Liz and using Marge at 100 AI. (not the greatest idea) and her sweep messes me up. That move is really good at shaving Liz's persona cards.
Ragingnight
Member
i held dia as soon as activation
Xenoflare
Member
IIRC there is a color legend for it in the manual.
From strongest to weakest.
Red-Orange-Yellow-Yellow Green-Green-Purple-Light Blue.
I think white means the player didn't fight enough matches to have a color.
I'm a yellow green, for example.
Light Blue > Dark Blue > Dark Green > Light Green > Yellow > Orange > Red
White means one hasn't played enough to be attributed a color.
The colors are not editable.
Xenoflare
Member
I hi-jump and use Margarudyne. 3/4 sucess rate with Elizabeth.
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Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Sent you an invite!
Teddie Circus isn't really supposed to be difficult to avoid. Just go to Training mode for a few minutes and you'll see how you can easily dodge it. It just requires a high jump > air dash forward.
And yep, I recalled wrong, 'cause Dia isn't invulnerable to Teddie Circus like it was before. Huh.
Huh, figured that orange and red were high up there, haven't seen any blues oddly enough.
SolarKnight
Member
I finally find a 3 bar connection for the first time ever in the lobby and it's a competent Aigis
Oh god the pain
Oh god the pain
Lostconfused
Member
Play street fighter or possibly Uniel which rewards you for blocking.
As a casual observer to me it seems the person who is applying pressure is in a much better position thanks to how few openings block strings and the mix up opportunities allowed to the attacker. If you defense isn't impeccable then it's only a matter of time you get opened up and eat half a life bar worth of damage because you can convert from any touch.
Then again what do I know, I lost almost every single match I played today. It was probably a bad idea to try and do anything before bed.
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Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
1 more game and I gotta go ragingknight. Good matches!
The game that introduced me to fighting games was SFIV. I don't really recall how it was in there, though, but I guess an opponent's pressure wasn't as oppressive in that game compared to my experience with BlazBlue and Persona.
She's probably still the most technical character in the roster, so it's not too surprising. Even in P4A, she wasn't played much online; she's played more locally and in tournaments.
There are a bunch of characters now, though, so it's probably very relative. Out of the 2.6k matches I've played, I've actually barely seen any Chies, Aigis' or Elizabeths.
Really? She's my most played character. Orgia mode is awesome.
Lostconfused
Member
Depends on the characters. There are a few combo heavy characters with relentless block strings, I think Yun and Dudley might fall into that category. However the faster exchanges with shorter combos and a bigger focus on reads and correct guesses probably make SF a more satisfying game to play defensively since your opportunities to do something come more often and are possibly more rewarding.
Then again, the hell do I know about fighting games, I suck at them. I only play EXVS.
Edit: Then again in SF4 there is a stun gauge that doesn't go down when you block, full screen projectile spam, and other nonsense like any fighting game.
I feel like barrier would help the game. Although barrier makes the game complicated for newcomers, I feel like the game needs something. At the moment, a lot of the times it's either risk DP/roll, use meter, hope you tech that throw or they screw up.
It's a shame since I really do like when things are in neutral or how short combos are.
Yeah. 90% of what I've run into today were Margarets. Saw quite a few Junpei's too, actually.
Ragingnight
Member
ok im getting some rust out.
Teddie's circus thing isn't difficult but it is annoying. I hate the design. Basically a scrubkiller/gimmick. Its the same thing with yu's awakening. Like yeah, you can avoid it but no person new to fighting game is going to try rolling through it or instant blocking.
I dislike how yukikos agi is higher up. But i haven't seen any of the new stuff that has been affected so im going to wait it out.
I gotta learn to use 214A/B with yukiko. Not sure when to use it and what application it has. Like why would I end a combo with 214 A/B when I can setup Agi?
Tomorrow i'll try yukari
Teddie's circus thing isn't difficult but it is annoying. I hate the design. Basically a scrubkiller/gimmick. Its the same thing with yu's awakening. Like yeah, you can avoid it but no person new to fighting game is going to try rolling through it or instant blocking.
I dislike how yukikos agi is higher up. But i haven't seen any of the new stuff that has been affected so im going to wait it out.
I gotta learn to use 214A/B with yukiko. Not sure when to use it and what application it has. Like why would I end a combo with 214 A/B when I can setup Agi?
Tomorrow i'll try yukari
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
I thought only the first few frames of Dia were invincible. Should test it out in training mode.
IIRC, in the first game it was invincible to all projectiles as long as it was held. I guess either Teddie Circus isn't projectile property (pretty sure it still is), or that Yukiko's projectile invul disappears after a certain time in this game.
Ragingnight
Member
dia is completely projectile invul, teddie circus was a projectile or they nerfed dia (why?)
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Gotta man up!
It's too late right now, but I'm down to play with some of you guys tomorrow night.
Teddie Circus is no longer a projectile. It sucks; I loved Dia'ing through it against less knowledgeable Teddie players.
I don't really know why they changed that. My best guess is because Junpei can bat all projectiles back, and that'd mess with the Teddie Circus too much for Arc's liking.
Aigis too intimidating for NA players, even though she's actually not that hard at ll -_-
Also, if you have trouble on defense learn your defensive OSes. Kanji mix up and pressure for example is weak as hell if you know them (outside of oki, he still gets RPS on oki).
Also, if you're wondering how squares go, pretty sure it's something like you need x more wins than losses against squares of the same color to go up, and x less losses makes you go down. Number is somewhere around 10, I've got a couple red square accounts this way. Also, the bulk of your PSR from ranked comes form your first 100~ matches, so if you happen to do well early on you can load up on PSR.
Also, if you have trouble on defense learn your defensive OSes. Kanji mix up and pressure for example is weak as hell if you know them (outside of oki, he still gets RPS on oki).
Also, if you're wondering how squares go, pretty sure it's something like you need x more wins than losses against squares of the same color to go up, and x less losses makes you go down. Number is somewhere around 10, I've got a couple red square accounts this way. Also, the bulk of your PSR from ranked comes form your first 100~ matches, so if you happen to do well early on you can load up on PSR.
Ragingnight
Member
would be easy i think to change that. All you have to do is make an exception. I'm sure yukiko's awakening is a projectile and he can't bat that.
I just dislike badly design supers. Like what is the use? Its not going to hit good players, and is only good at kill scrubs or people who forget how to deal with it. I would be completely okay with it if they nerfed the damage and made it more viable to his gameplan. At the moment its pretty much wake-up/reversal super that does more 50% against newcomers.
And worse of all, it got BUFFED. He has an awakening version and comes back again. Its literally a gimmick. I would be fine if his gameplan revolved around that atleast for setups, but you can't really set it up either for the most part. I think it did more than half my health rofl.
In the first game there were legitimate unblockable set ups he could use it in to get lots of unscaled damage. It had a use.
Ha, why! We could have just gone for a few, if you told me.
Yeah, I'm up for some matches tomorrow.
About Kanji, I had just finished a set against someone where I won most matches with Adachi, but anytime I would get knocked down the RPS was a struggle. I was tired, but even when I'm thinking straight, I just feel real uncomfortable waking up from a knock down with my opponent standing right on top of me.
That Lord Knight video you talked about before seems to cover some of the OS stuff. That's an area I have very little knowledge of, so I think I'll actually have to look into this, when I was avoiding it because I didn't think it'd be something to apply at my level of play.
Ragingnight
Member
hmmm might of stopped following persona by then or didn't see it. Meh, I just dislike the design of the move, just like I dislike kanji's design. Not sure if p4u is better (haven't seen much of anything of p4u kanji outside combo videos)
anybody know the applications for 214 A/B for Yukiko? Like why would you use it?
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Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
I think I'm gonna stick with Margaret. While dabbling a bit with Marie was fun, Margaret has such fun combos and air game. There's a lot of versatility in her attacks.
Combo filler. Her new 25 SP BnB is: 5AA > 5B > 5C > 2C > 214A+B > (small delay) 2C > 214B > (small delay) 5C > 214A (Maragidyne D finisher, Agidyne also probably works as well).
Hilariously enough, that combo doesn't work when Yukiko starts with her back to the corner.
Edit: Agidyne C dropped for me, so unless I somehow did that wrong, that's not a finisher option for that combo.
A lot of standard Teddie combos use Teddie Circus. It's only a gimmick when it's used as such. Not to mention its use during screen pollution, which is made ever more effective in P4AU.
I don't see the problem with Kanji's design in P4A, but he's much stronger in P4AU.
214A/B is an extremely standard/common combo extender.
YMST made a doc that had all the anti Kanji stuff in it, but Japanese and all that. Pressure is pretty wild in this game but almost all of NA will die to OSes since they're painfully unaware of them. Once you get to the point of checking for OSes and playing around them it gets really wild, but less than 1% of NA players actively do that right now.
Only two Akihikos qualified and they both lost in the first round. (Albeit, they lost to the eventual top two.)
If anything, I'm pretty sure it was that Souji tier list where he put Akihiko just below Narukami/Yosuke that started the whole line of discussion. Does anyone else rate him even close to that high?