Some of the jokes were pretty funny in the original game, lol. One of my favorite lines was
during King's Game, and Teddie has Kanji smooch him, and Teddie says "Kanji! So you were after my fuzzy fur!"
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Some of the jokes were pretty funny in the original game, lol. One of my favorite lines was
meltingparappa
Member
In the P4 anime (which may not be canon) he
clearly has a super crush on the protagonist due to the power of swag
So
HOORAY for lgbt characters in games on their cusp of figuring themselves out in their adolescence, BOO for some of the things Yosuke says to him for the sake of "humor"
buddha0991
Member
Yosuke is supposed to be the portrayal of a typical teenager. Many typical teens rib on their friends over various things. their size, their race, their sexuality, their hobbies, what movies or music or sports teams they like, etc. Friends like to joke about each other. It happens.
Also the anime is way worse at the portrayal of quite a bit of characters. Like someone way before pointed out, they became their hiimdaisy counterparts.
Yeah, this is very true. The anime takes em to their extreme in some spots, and is not nearly as subtle as the game portrays them.
Ah, I never watched the anime.
buddha0991
Member
I didnt even see that.
Sure he did his shy sthick around him, but the anime actually further did the Kanji Naoto thing
All the same, I don't like that in a game about people accepting themselves and embracing their true feelings, there's a character who asks his possibly gay friend if he can be trusted during the night. The dialogue isn't supposed to be taken as anything more than a joke and a setup for the next absurd event, but the implication is offensive and somewhat obnoxious, and it's always bothered me that Yosuke's not called out for his constant ribbing, as it seems counter to the game's theme.
Yosuke's a bit of an asshole. However, like was said above...teenagers can be assholes. When I think back to high school, everyone was pretty shallow, and I can totally see someone saying the same thing like Yosuke would if one of them was suspected of being gay. As an adult, yes, it sounds like a total dick, and asshole thing to say, but as a teenager, it's true. People would be like that.
buddha0991
Member
Again, the game is a portrayal of for the most part, normal teenagers, living normal teenage lives, except for the crazy crap they deal with. In real life, when a friend jokes about anothers sexuality, some karma event or something else usually does not correct it. Anyways, Yosuke is taunted in the game WAY more than Kanji, bad things constantly happen to him. Also, Yukiko and Chie are jerks to the guys in general, but they never get their comeuppance. Many things that are kind of screwed up in this game are played for laughs really.
It always bothered me that
the girls never get their comeuppance for beating the shit out of the guys with baskets, and being in the hot springs at the hotel, when it was supposed to be reserved for men at that hour.
meltingparappa
Member
I felt the same, but at least in the game they gave you the option to call Yosuke out on it.
Say what you will about the anime, but I loved it in terms of pure fan service, except for when the above scene happens and the protagonist joins in on the "playful" insults. I found it a huge bummer, and counter to Atlus/Hashino's inclusion of major LGBT characters in two of their games now.
Yeah Yosuke's a huge homophobic prick in that scene. It was still funny though.
Fair enough. Most of the other things that are mocked are more personality quirks than much else, but I'm sure there isn't any sort of malicious intent behind the aforementioned dialogue. It's really just more disappointing than anything, and it takes me out of the game so much that the period between Kanji's rescue and the next person's kidnapping feels like a chore.
Yep.
buddha0991
Member
^That really did feel so off, and almost like there was a different writer. The Kanji episode has Yu say "everyone has their thing" and pretty much accepted him. Then the camping episode has him basically saying he doesnt accept him at night.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Just picked this up and starting playing, iRAWRasaurus is my PSN if any one wanna add me 
lastflowers
Banned
screw rise's final two fights. Took me three wipes to figure out the pattern of the first, and the second one rando-killed me twice. One-day'd the dungeon though. Glad I chose Hard rather than very-hard. I would have thrown my vita if teddy's wipe happened after that grind.
SpaceBridge
Member
Obviously, you make a lot of sense. I just really wanted Kanji to be gay, just because despite the gags, I thought his inner struggles and character development would have been great in the context of a gay character.
Then again, myself being gay, my point of vie is biased.
Then again, myself being gay, my point of vie is biased.
So I'm officially in Rise's dungeon.
Game is still awesome. Nothing changed. Oh, by the way,
You know what? I'm sure the answer is yes.
And it's a strip club. Hmm. I'm going to go ahead and guess that Rise wanting to "expose" herself is symbolism for her desire for people to see the real her and not the persona she puts on on TV (hey guys you see what I did there? Cause I totally did something there.) Pretty telling that Yosuke, the slightly perverted one and big fan of Rise's, is even disturbed by the whole thing.
Game is still awesome. Nothing changed. Oh, by the way,
who was that creepy dude trying to spy on Rise from the telephone pole? Was he just a way to get the party away from the shop?
chickdigger802
Banned
The thing i love about this game are the little animations, like opening up the lid of ramen and studying hw and reading books and stuff.
But that's why i love the Sims as well.
mundane animations are the best.
But that's why i love the Sims as well.
mundane animations are the best.
I love the Nanako arm swing when she sings the Junes song.
chickdigger802
Banned
yosuke's sword swinging animation at junes food court still cracked me up.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I need help: Rise or Yukiko?
I've gone down the lovers route with Yukiko before which felt right because you help her out a lot. But Rise gives you the best item on Christmas Eve... Ugh. It's hard to choose.
Fire resistance or SP+50%?!
I've gone down the lovers route with Yukiko before which felt right because you help her out a lot. But Rise gives you the best item on Christmas Eve... Ugh. It's hard to choose.
Fire resistance or SP+50%?!
SpaceBridge
Member
Don't you need Marie to access the extra content?
buddha0991
Member
I dont know why people keep saying this.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Might choose Rise. Change... change can be good, right?
Haven't checked out the Japanese wiki yet.
Edit:
Apparently not according to earlier in the thread.SpaceBridge said:
Haven't checked out the Japanese wiki yet.
Edit:
Aeon commu at max. Go to velvet room on January 2 and talk to Margaret for the rescue Marie Flag. Doesn't say anything about lovers, but I'm willing to test it out this playthrough and not hook up with her.
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
You saw that opening. Who wouldn't choose Rise?
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Bingo. This is the result of more realistic characters and more realistic interaction: somethings aint going to be nice. Some people forget that. Alot.
Mostly cuz human society is going to fucking hell around them as fucked piles upon fucked in those games. Most of the Megatens are like this except for the ones where human society has already collapsed or P4
It's fucking hypnotic. I watch the opening every time I boot up the game just to see her dancing. I don't even like the song that much!
Still probably gonna go for Yukiko. I feel like I'm already deep enough with her (rank 5) where it's counterproductive to just go for someone else. Speaking of which, I believe P3 had a system where girls would get angry if you hung out too much with other girls and that froze the social link or something. Is there something similar in this game?
Reluctant-Hero
Member
It's June 6th and I JUST learned that I have to sell materials to the weapons smith in order to unlock new stuff to buy. Damn.
We discussed this topic on an episode of WAHP. The problem (if you see it as a problem, I do) is that Japan—and this is going to be a horribly simplified explanation—is totally okay with a lot of "alternative" lifestyles of passions so long as they're (a) a hobby, and not your way of life, (b) something you grow out of, or (c) done for entertainment.
Part of me likes to believe that Atlus wanted to give
Kanji
Naoto—she presents the player with huge amounts of reasons to believe that she might be trans, but then by the end she's grown out of those feelings and is ready to become a "normal" woman.
It's frustrating, because on the one hand, I think if any team could handle these kinds of topics in a worthwhile way, it's the Persona team. (And Catherine makes some strides in proving that, but then also kind of doesn't.) On the other, I think a lot of the acceptance that Japan seems to have for LGBT topics is false, and I think sometimes their understand of how to handle such topics ends up far worse than the West.
It's also the ambiguity problem. "Let the fans decide" is a BS cop-out, and it's frustrating. Capcom frustrates me more in that regard, but Atlus does too. With topics like this that still aren't handled with any decency most of the time in gaming, either decide you're going to take a chance with a certain type of character, or don't tease the topic. The wishy-washy "are or aren't they" just makes things worse IMHO.
On another topic - I could never, ever choose Chie. Chie is awesome best friend material, not dating material. I chose Rise my first time through, and this time I went for Yukiko. Rise is the true answer, though, because everybody knows the game is supposed to be Yu + Rise / Chie + Yukiko / Kanji + Naoto. Poor forever alone Yosuke.
One of the few random mechanics the game never thinks is important enough to mention. It doesn't do it as much as other JRPGs, but when it does it's terrible. Bad tutorials are things that should have done with last gen. You don't need to tell me right off the bat, but maybe when I first open up the shop or something. One little text box could fix all that.
Go to the Riverbed section of the Floodplains and talk to the old man (at this point in the game you should be able to fish whenever you want). You have to find the fishing hook first and make sure you have bait (breadcrumbs and ladybugs work).
Thanks for advice. I actually misread the signs and had a couple extra days till after the rain stopped. I was able to grind and wow the difference 4 levels can make on Hard mode is unreal. The game is still built around the concept of rock, paper scissors and not attrition but you still need the benefits of higher levels.
....damn son. They should do a better job at mentioning that stuff.
Pretty sure the shop guy mentions it the first time you walk in, and the first time you open the sell menu, a pop up appears to let you know materials are only good for selling.
They could've done an FMV I guess.
Proper weaknesses/resists and skills make all the difference in the world. But early on for the first dungeon a lot of the best skills are obtained in the level 10-15 range. And all your stats are really low in the single/low double digit range so a single level increase matters even more. D:
Yup, it's mentioned, even in the original.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
No. We all don't notice things from time to time. No.
Young Magus
Junior Member
Can I join? I actually like P2.
Also, 25+ hours in the game, I'm
in the void quest
The best.
Hello my name is Sarasvati. You may call me God.
Yukiko first time around, Rise in New Game +. That's what I'm doing.
Oh, and Marie with both of them. Pretty sure you can have anyone along with Marie.
buddha0991
Member
The best.
See, making this in original P4 could have taken hours...and it would have been satisfying...