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[xs_mini_neo]

(ToS GC was released worldwide, and it has been a stand-alone overseas success in the whole series, while the PS2 version was a Japan-only release)

No PS2 version WW? I forgot. Still more precious Scamco logic, though.

That is fucking retarded, I am sorry. P3 = FF7?

Dear God, close this thread.

Himuro overreacting to my posts again? Shocking!

What's with the irrational hatred?

It doesn't matter if you enjoyed or hated Persona 3... one thing is clear, nobody gives a shit about it. It didn't become some kind of standard of JRPG like FFVII and it never will.

Calling it overrated is stupid just because a vocal minority in GAF love it. Many people who really loved the SMT series have serious problems with it.

I don't think you understand what fixed means. The similarities between P3 and FF7 are there.

Stupid changes to gameplay? Check
New fans who think the series began with its 3/7 installment? Check
Sold better than previous better games in series? Check
New fans who drool over it and make you watch? Check.
Has negative effect on JRPGs? Check.

 

[grandjedi6]

No PS2 version WW? I forgot. Still more precious Scamco logic, though.

Tales of Symphonia (PS2) Japanese sales > Tales of Symphonia (Gamecube) Japanese Sales

In terms of purely financial data, Namco's decision to put Abyss and Legendia on the PS2 made perfect sense. The sales of the port of ToS trounced the original Gamecube version, so obviously future Tales of games would perform better in Japan on the PS2 than the Gamecube. Then you factor in the giant potential of the West's PS2 market and it makes sense why Namco thought Abyss and Legendia would preform better on the PS2 than the Gamecube. And considering the Gamecube's failing state and ToS port's sales, releasing Legendia and Abyss on the Gamecube would have been the far far riskier path.

I don't think you understand what fixed means. The similarities between P3 and FF7 are there.

Stupid changes to gameplay? Check
New fans who think the series began with its 3/7 installment? Check
Sold better than previous better games in series? Check
New fans who drool over it and make you watch? Check.
Has negative effect on JRPGs? Check.

This has always been a rather silly complaint towards changing series.

 

[Yaweee]

And no, I refuse to handicap myself to keep the game challenging. I should be able to exploit just about everything I can and the game should still be challenging.

I agree. My first time through the game, I'm not going to constantly question every single gameplay decision in fears that I'm somehow ruining the game's balance to the point of making it mindless.

I know I'm going to get jumped on for saying this just like I have in the past, but the balance in SMT games is either screwy or just bad. They depend to heavily on levels explicitly, most random battles eventually require nothing more than spamming instant kill spells, and buff/debuff spells are overpowered. They're still fun for the most part, but sometimes it can get old.

Devil Survivor was a huge step in the right direction. It's less level dependent and more stat based, there are no -kaja,-kunda, Mudo, or Hama skills, and the fusion system is way better than its predecessors.

The dungeon crawling was also better in 4 for the pure fact that you couldn't just take a teleport to the bottom floor and instantly become healed. This made the dungeon "crawling" in P3 feel more like dungeon swimming. But in P4, due to the lack of sp items, you had to strategically space out your trips, not rely on sp, and stay alive before hitting the boss because you couldn't just pop up on level 1 and have full hp/sp like that. It made things more interesting.

I actually found P4 to be less restrictive in terms of having to pace yourself through the dungeon due to the absence of the "Tired" mechanic. Even on Hard, without buying the SP item or abusing SP regeneration skills, I was able to beat most of the dungeons in a single day. I just flatout had enough money to buy full heals from the fox as needed.

Has negative effect on JRPGs? Check.

What? I mean, honestly, what negative influences has it had on JRPGs? What series have implemented Rogue-like mechanics? Or modern settings? Or social sim elements? Don't say Ar Tonelico, as that was released before P3 was even announced.

 

[xs_mini_neo]

What? I mean, honestly, what negative influences has it had on JRPGs? What series have implemented Rogue-like mechanics? Or modern settings? Or social sim elements? Don't say Ar Tonelico, as that was released before P3 was even announced.

By being popular for all the wrong reasons. Again, just like FF7. It sets a bad example and leads to years of similar efforts by others. It's not like I'm making this up, it has happened time after time. FF7 being the best example of it. P3 sold well because they added in the dating sim genre. You don't have a problem with an RPG series doing this? The more genre mixing you do the less variety you have because everything starts looking too similar. Diversity is a good thing.

Tales of Symphonia (PS2) Japanese sales > Tales of Symphonia (Gamecube) Japanese Sales

In terms of purely financial data, Namco's decision to put Abyss and Legendia on the PS2 made perfect sense. The sales of the port of ToS trounced the original Gamecube version, so obviously future Tales of games would perform better in Japan on the PS2 than the Gamecube. Then you factor in the giant potential of the West's PS2 market and it makes sense why Namco thought Abyss and Legendia would preform better on the PS2 than the Gamecube. And considering the Gamecube's failing state and ToS port's sales, releasing Legendia and Abyss on the Gamecube would have been the far far riskier path.


This has always been a rather silly complaint towards changing series.

Except when the result is a dramatic drop quality. As was the case with P3 and FF7. Inferior games being praised endlessly tends to make more responses like mine exist.

And nobody said they should have made Abyss and Legendia GC-only. Symphonia sold well enough to justify a port of those for GC.

 

[Yaweee]

By being popular for all the wrong reasons. Again, just like FF7. It sets a bad example and leads to years of similar efforts by others. It's not like I'm making this up, it has happened time after time. FF7 being the best example of it. P3 sold well because they added in the dating sim genre. You don't have a problem with an RPG series doing this? The more genre mixing you do the less variety you have because everything starts looking too similar. Diversity is a good thing.

So... having diversity now eventually leads to less diversity?

I'll believe it is leading to changes in the genre when they actually manifest. P3/4 may have been successful, but there's been plenty of RPGs in recent years that sold more. I don't see any reason why Persona will be the one that future developers copy.

 

[grandjedi6]

By being popular for all the wrong reasons. Again, just like FF7. It sets a bad example and leads to years of similar efforts by others. It's not like I'm making this up, it has happened time after time. FF7 being the best example of it. P3 sold well because they added in the dating sim genre. You don't have a problem with an RPG series doing this? The more genre mixing you do the less variety you have because everything starts looking too similar. Diversity is a good thing.

How is Persona "popular for all the wrong reasons"? Is it just because it has those "dating-sim elements"? Those elements are enjoyed by many and don't hamper the game so I'm not sure how they can be "wrong".

P3 adds in the dating sim genre to become a more diverse RPG which means its... hurting diversity?

Except when the result is a dramatic drop quality. As was the case with P3 and FF7.

What dramatic drop in quality?

Inferior games being praised endlessly tends to make more responses like mine exist.

Douche-y responses?

And nobody said they should have made Abyss and Legendia GC-only. Symphonia sold well enough to justify a port of those for GC.

Where? A port would be pointless in Japan only and the by the time an Abyss and/or Legendia port would have been feesible the Gamecube was far too dead to make such a thing feasible.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

By being popular for all the wrong reasons. Again, just like FF7. It sets a bad example and leads to years of similar efforts by others. It's not like I'm making this up, it has happened time after time. FF7 being the best example of it. P3 sold well because they added in the dating sim genre. You don't have a problem with an RPG series doing this? The more genre mixing you do the less variety you have because everything starts looking too similar. Diversity is a good thing.

You make no sense.

 

[charlequin]

I want Etrian Odyssey 3. Does anyone else want Etrian Odyssey 3?

Not as much as I'd like SMT with the EO engine.

Honestly, I'm hard-pressed to think of what they could really fix up for EO3; EO2-once-more doesn't actually directly appeal that much to me, and once you start to get into more full-fledged reinventions it becomes harder to talk about what "Etrian Odyssey 3" actually means.

That comparison does not hold water at all. It's not like Atlus would necessarily be keeping it real or expanding their creative horizons by making a new mainline SMT game.

The point isn't really about SMT4 specifically (although given how huge a gameplay innovation SMT3 was, it's not impossible) but rather about letting Atlus do different things rather than just going back to the well of their subseries with the most constraining design specs (the calendar/S-link aspects) just because there's a shallow but noisy crowd of fans clamoring for it. If SMT4 can help Atlus have the assets to develop new spinoffs of the DDS/Devil Summoner variety, and then they can come back to Persona further down the line, that seems superior to me.

I don't get why people say Tartarus suck, but then say they enjoy P4 alot.

a) The music changes (this cannot be overemphasized)
b) The gold chests made random treasure much less buttastic overall.

 

[lastendconductor]

I'd rather have something new, Persona needs a break. Besides, P4 has set the bar too high, better let it cool down for a while.

 

[Narcosis]

So the Persona series is now the new hotness to bash to establish your JRPG credibility? Now Persona 3 is the game you have to claim brought in all these worthless noobies who are corrupting your uber-niche genre with their numbers and tainting your specialness in knowing about stuff that all those awful "mainstreamers" don't know about?

Good to know.

 

[Alts]

I loved the persona games I've played (2:ep, 3, 4), but I would much rather a proper SMT title be their first entry into HD consoles. I'll still buy it, sure, but I can't see myself being as enthusiastic about it as the previous games.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

I know I'm going to get jumped on for saying this just like I have in the past, but the balance in SMT games is either screwy or just bad. They depend to heavily on levels explicitly, most random battles eventually require nothing more than spamming instant kill spells, and buff/debuff spells are overpowered. They're still fun for the most part, but sometimes it can get old.

I've seen you point this out in the past, and I agree with you. I'd arrive at bosses much lower than others due to me wanting dungeons down asap for slinkin'. It was MUCH harder than the Endurance Run or the anecdotes from here said. Glad I went with more debuff/buff minded MC builds.

 

[xs_mini_neo]

How is Persona "popular for all the wrong reasons"? Is it just because it has those "dating-sim elements"? Those elements are enjoyed by many and don't hamper the game so I'm not sure how they can be "wrong".

P3 adds in the dating sim genre to become a more diverse RPG which means its... hurting diversity?


What dramatic drop in quality?


Douche-y responses?


Where? A port would be pointless in Japan only and the by the time an Abyss and/or Legendia port would have been feesible the Gamecube was far too dead to make such a thing feasible.

lol Far too dead because they announced Legendia for the PS2-only. Like how Crapcom announced a PS2 port of RE4 before it came out on GC. Yeah, that would make a console far too dead. Like as dead as PS3 would be right now if certain parties didn't make it their life's mission to keep it alive.

So diversity means merging two different things and making an abomination that has lead to people demanding every persona game have Social Links? P3/4 are a big mess. Grinding for text, sitting through boring school crap and random dungeons. None of this nonsense was in P1-2. I also have a hate-on for the anime artstyle shift. There was nothing wrong with the original artist. Look at the anime-ish look of DS2. FF7 did this and now we have a horrible "artist" designing things he has no business designing. Fun fact: FF7 had a bit of dating sim with the date at the Gold Saucer. Oh snap.

The more genres you merge, the less genres there will be. I don't like arbitrary changes or ones made just to whore out a good series. The anime and dating sim additions never belonged in a dark series like SMT. Hey, let's add in some social links to Halo! That should work out real well. How about the backlash to the "social links" in GTA4? I'm sure those people were just being dumb and couldn't see how diverse and wonderful that made GTA. Oh well...I guess we'll never understand the brilliance of genre rape. I guess a FPS Zelda should happen so that you guys can defend it with all your might. *slits wrists*

 

[charlequin]

So the Persona series is now the new hotness to bash to establish your JRPG credibility?

There are very few people "bashing" the Persona series in here, compared to people who enjoyed Persona 3 and 4 quite a bit but have a bit more perspective about the games' developer and their whole lineup of franchises than to QQ and demand that they immediately begin ruthlessly milking Persona into the ground.

 

[Kagari]

http://kotaku.com/5331102/sony-cell-phone-site-lists-persona-5-producer

It's still on the site, lol.

 

[Hypereides]

http://kotaku.com/5331102/sony-cell-phone-site-lists-persona-5-producer

It's still on the site, lol.

Well thats... interesting. *rubs chin*

 

[Nachkebia]

I am still stuck at persona 4 but I enjoyed as much I played :lol

 

[Aeana]

Well, that is curious, since Meguro hasn't been the producer of any Persona title. So if it's a slip-up, it would be with the number and with the role.

 

[Hypereides]

I am still stuck at persona 4 but I enjoyed as much I played :lol

Apropos Persona 4, I just watched the intro for the game. One of the best intros Ive seen.

 

[Error]

Can't get excited for this because Strange Journey looks too awesome.

And Persona is in serious need of vacations.

 

[adamsapple]

I am still stuck at persona 4 but I enjoyed as much I played :lol

Try Giant Bomb's Endurance run, the next best thing to actually playing the game. Really.

 

[Einbroch]

I bought a 360 for the RPGs.

I demand that all RPGs be on the 360.

But honestly, I'd love to see what direction they take the next game in.

 

[Nachkebia]

Try Giant Bomb's Endurance run, the next best thing to actually playing the game. Really.

Thanks, will be checking it out...

 

[Red Scarlet]

And Persona is in serious need of vacations.

You keep laying it off, though.

 

[Shouta]

Can't get excited for this because Strange Journey looks too awesome.

And Persona is in serious need of vacations.

I wouldn't mind if P5 is true but I wouldn't mind if it had a short vacation either.

P5 really needs to step up the overall story telling if it actually exists because 3 in a row means the quality may just dip. I thought the difficulty on Hard the first time was perfect as well so no real complaints other than making sure the battles are a bit more interesting.

 

[DR2K]

Can't get excited for this because Strange Journey looks too awesome.

And Persona is in serious need of vacations.

Considering the amount of potential the series has, there's no need to slow down.

 

[Vorador]

Considering the amount of potential the series has, there's no need to slow down.

But it can burn the series.

 

[topofuji]

I just hope the trend of all these NIS/Atlus RPGs going to PS2 is at an end, and they are finally taking the evolving step to PS3.

 

[vesp]

yea im at the point where i would rather an iphone game than another ps2 one. If you arent going to spend the money on a HD game put it on ds/psp/iphone where dated graphics arent as glaring as on a large hd tv. devil summoner 2 was nauseating to look at whereas devil survivor looked fine (not great) to me.

 

[Spiegel]

We got 3 main FF games between 1997 and 2000 and I loved that. If the games are great I can't see where's the problem.

Also, they are releasing a full-fledged SMT in two months. They aren't doing Persona games only.

 

[Chromax]

I don't see a problem if this is true. I want to see a SMT game on a current gen console.

 

[DR2K]

But it can burn the series.

It would take a lot more to burn the series.

 

[Ikael]

If true, I am buying a ps3. Best JRPG on the previous generation along with Valkyrie: Silmeria and Mother.

 

[Max]

I want to see a SMT/Persona game in HD

Might be enough for me to buy a PS3, unless it comes out for 360, which it should.

 

[Augemitbutter]

I just hope the trend of all these NIS/Atlus RPGs going to PS2 is at an end, and they are finally taking the evolving step to PS3.

agree. they could release P5 like this tomorrow and i'd buy 3 copies if necessary.

 

[daegan]

Well, that is curious, since Meguro hasn't been the producer of any Persona title. So if it's a slip-up, it would be with the number and with the role.

Isn't he credited as producer on the PSP version of the original?

 

[SappYoda]

ITT People try to downplay a game that hasn't even been announced yet.

 

[Nachkebia]

If true, I am buying a ps3. Best JRPG on the previous generation along with Valkyrie: Silmeria and Mother.

Well, I have to say that I prefer mother on almost every level, dialogs in Persona are awful :lol

 

[Tenks]

Well, I have to say that I prefer mother on almost every level, dialogs in Persona are awful :lol

Wait you thought the dialog in M3 was actually good? I know this is probably flamebait but outside of the ending of M3 the entire storyline was complete and utter trash.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Wait it's now cool to hate Persona? Oh I see why. *burns his persona collection*

 

[duckroll]

Isn't he credited as producer on the PSP version of the original?

No, he's the director and composer.

 

[truly101]

Guys, I'm more hardcore than any of you. the Persona series is now peasant trash thanks to dating sims and popularity.

 

[sn00zer]

I love the SMT art style and monster, but I hate JRPGs in general (I tried persona, but come on...Id rather be fighting than dealing with my social issues)....in conclusion, they need a SMT action/adventure game stat.

 

[Hobbun]

I love the SMT art style and monster, but I hate JRPGs in general (I tried persona, but come on...Id rather be fighting than dealing with my social issues)....in conclusion, they need a SMT action/adventure game stat.

Well, they do have an action-RPG. Devil Summoner 1 & 2.

 

[Macstorm]

Wait it's now cool to hate Persona? Oh I see why. *burns his persona collection*

*burns his dread*

 

[Muffinman]

Persona 5 will be Epic, day one buuuuy !

 

[sn00zer]

Well, they do have an action-RPG. Devil Summoner 1 & 2.

Are they any good? I not a fan of 1 button combat ala Dark Cloud 2

 

[Hobbun]

I’m not a person to ask as they are two of many games in my backlog I have not gotten to yet. Although from what I have heard from the general populace on GAF, 1 is ok, but 2 is actually quite good.

And shame on you, Dark Cloud 2 is a great game.

 

[Nachkebia]

Wait you thought the dialog in M3 was actually good? I know this is probably flamebait but outside of the ending of M3 the entire storyline was complete and utter trash.

I have only played couple of hours mother and at least 20-30 hours of persona 4, persona is fantastic game, don`t get me wrong but dialogs...... :lol

 

[klee123]

Cool if true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a PS360 title.