Persona 5 for PS3 announcement leaked?
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Homersexual said:
Really? I thought the gameplay only became interesting and good after the introduction of the Press Turn system. The first two SMT games are fairly mindless, repetitive, and boring dungeon crawls. What made them interesting to me was the setting/stories/atmosphere.
Segata Sanshiro said:
I wouldn't at all mind getting EO3, but, just like with Persona, I'd really rather have a bit of time off first. I played EO1 in 2007 and EO2 in 2008... I'd much prefer that the team make a proper SMT or something else first, and I think I'd likely be ready for more EO in 2010 or 2011.
Though the Persona games are the most fun I've had in RPGs since Xenosaga III (and Lost Odyssey was awesome too.)Urban Scholar
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B.K. said:
Oh the sacrilege
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Augemitbutter said:
That comparison does not hold water at all. It's not like Atlus would necessarily be keeping it real or expanding their creative horizons by making a new mainline SMT game.charlequin said:
I mean... I don't disagree with that sentiment in general, but you're really misapplying it.
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TheSeks said:
By combining it with the dating sim genre?
I loved the game but Tartarus made me glad to be done with it. In contrast, beating Persona 4 was one of the saddest days in recent memory for me. I felt so...empty. That game is way too addicting.
Edit: Also, what RPGs even came out in 2007? Eternal Sonata? There's been a drought for a while now, at least on consoles.
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Why did you spoiler that? It's literally introduced less than 2 hours(maybe even less than 1 hour) into the game.
And while yeah Tartarus could have been better, it wasn't really a game killer. Way more tolerable than LoZ: Phantom Hourglass' reoccurring dungeon. Plus the music changing option in FES made it a bit better.
And while yeah Tartarus could have been better, it wasn't really a game killer. Way more tolerable than LoZ: Phantom Hourglass' reoccurring dungeon. Plus the music changing option in FES made it a bit better.
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Fimbulvetr said:
Just wanted to be safe, but your right, it is silly to spoiler it.
I never played FES, but that music changing option probably would not have helped that much. I was able to tolerate Tartarus enough to finish the game but I can't imagine doing it again. Of course the length of the dungeon wasn't the only reason. A.I. controlled party members didn't help nor did the cheap ass bosses/mid bosses. P4 fixed pretty much everything that was wrong with P3 IMO.
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cosmicblizzard said:
Ehhhh.... I would say mostly but not all. Getting money and scoring rare items isn't as fun and OCD as I found it was in P3. In P3 we could visit old floors and score rare items left and right. Not to mention leveling was easier thanks to shuffle time. Not saying that the system is broken in P4, just feels restrictive. I think RedScarlet but it best as the whole city kids vs. country kids in that department.
Oh like the avatar of Professor Stein. Soul Eater, much respect.
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Urban Scholar said:
Thanks. Soul Eater FTW.
Yeah there are a few little things better in P3. I actually completely forgot I liked the city setting better than the rural one until just now. I still liked 4 waaaaaaaaay better but 3 had a solid foundation.
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Homersexual said:
Should've specified JRPG. Eternal Sonata is all I can remember and while it had a very interesting premise and unique battle system, the structure and pacing wasn't really anything special even if it was beautiful.
CrushDance
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Hey guys, which series has higher sales?
Persona
Tales
Star Ocean
Persona
Tales
Star Ocean
Paracelsus
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CrushDance said:
Before Vesperia and SO4, I would have said SO >> Tales > Persona.
Now I'm not so sure anymore.
vicissitudes
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Himuro said:
:O
I never thought I'd see the day.
I kinda miss Homersexual
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CrushDance said:
I know that Persona 4 sold wicked sick. On an individual game basis, Persona 4 wins. Taken as a whole though, including all games in a series, Tales wins just because there are far more Tales games than Persona games.
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Paracelsus said:
Im just glad Im starting to go see that foodchain go in reverse. Sales-wise. Persona is the better series of them all.
<3 Persona 2
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Yaweee said:
Tales of Symphonia, GameCube, August 29th 2003, 953,000 copies
Tales of Symphonia, PlayStation 2, September 22nd 2004, 486,000 copies
Persona 4 probably didn't outsell not even the PS2 version.
I consider P4 and P3 nowhere near as good (but pretty good on their own) as P2, but that's just me.
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charlequin said:
Although....if they did make P5 next it would be awesome if it abandoned the stupid sim crap. The meltdowns alone would be priceless.
TheSeks said:
Fixed.
Paracelsus said:
Soooo....the PS2 version sold far less then the GC version, so naturally it made sense to only make Abyss and Legendia for the PS2 only, so those could not sell as well too. Gotta love that Scamco logic. I wonder who had to die to get Graces on the Wii.
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ultron87 said:
Yeah, it went from good to average to bland in a matter of a few hours for me. I forced myself to finish it since I was really into the story.
xs_mini_neo said:
What's with the irrational hatred?
It doesn't matter if you enjoyed or hated Persona 3... one thing is clear, nobody gives a shit about it. It didn't become some kind of standard of JRPG like FFVII and it never will.
Calling it overrated is stupid just because a vocal minority in GAF love it. Many people who really loved the SMT series have serious problems with it.
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xs_mini_neo said:
(ToS GC was released worldwide, and it has been a stand-alone overseas success in the whole series, while the PS2 version was a Japan-only release)
I don't get why people say Tartarus suck, but then say they enjoy P4 alot. The dungeon crawling of P4 is some of worst I've ever experienced. The loot is shit, and the you don't have the party splitting option from P3 that helped to cover a lot of ground quickly.
For all the good stuff that P4 has over P3, there's some stuff I prefer in P3 over P4. It's hard for me to decide which one is better.
For all the good stuff that P4 has over P3, there's some stuff I prefer in P3 over P4. It's hard for me to decide which one is better.
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Paracelsus said:
I havent actually picked up neither P3 or 4 since the high school teen drama theme has turned me off.
I am starting to pick up an interest in P4 after watching some videos
P2: Innocent Sin/Eternal Punishment was a huge susprise to me especially since it was an impulse buy back then. If Atlus pays such attention to a good story in the latest additions as they did in P2... then they deserve the great sales. P2 is still a milestone in my history of JRPGs.
But I didnt like how they blatantly ripped off Jojo's bizarre adventure though :lol.
Error said:
Yes many of the changes were not improvements and tweaks to keep people from bitching.
The dungeon changes were 100% cosmetic. They also dumbed down the social link system by not allowing you to screw up in any real way and just making them level up really fast in comparison to P3.
The only truly worthwhile change was the fact that down status ended at the end of each turn. This was a incredibly stupid oversight in P3 and how they allowed it slip in TWO RELEASES I will never know.
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Conversely, many people who never played the SMT series before adored them, and are now exploring the rest of the series. ::coughmyselfcough::Varna said:
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Varna said:
I might be remembering wrong since I haven't played P3 in a while but I feel like the dungeon crawling in 4 was a lot more spread out. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure even with all the dungeons floors in 4 added up, it's still less than Tartarus.
Messing up in 3 drove me nuts. I had like 8 girls pissed at me at once. It being impossible to mess up on all but 2 (3?) people in 4 made it a lot less stressful.
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xs_mini_neo said:
PS2 Symphonia was only released in Japan while GC saw a worldwide release.
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RocketDarkness said:
Pretty much. I would have never picked up Devil Survivor if it wasn't for Persona.
cosmicblizzard said:
It was a crucial piece of the game to manage I like to think. You didn't have demon negotiations so if the social link was to be it's replacements there should have been consequences to screwing up.
Himuro said:
This is the reason I initially had very strong feelings toward the game. I really liked it at first (despite not liking the story, characters or setting). But the managing resources is a fleeting thing and as soon as you unlock certain privileges it's just as mindless as P3.
And no, I refuse to handicap myself to keep the game challenging. I should be able to exploit just about everything I can and the game should still be challenging.
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Varna said:
But then you'd be required to exploit everything just to bring the game down to "challenging", from what would presumably be "mind-numbingly stupid hard" before then. That's absurd.
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Varna said:
Screwing up in conversation, sure. Having someone reverse on you because you haven't hung out with them in a while is annoying (even if it is true in real life). It's the same thing when hanging out with a girl while another girl THAT ISN'T YOUR GIRLFRIEND expects an apology for doing so.
Also it's kind of irrelevant to the reversing thing but I like being able to make s links with all the party members and not just the females.
Himuro said:
It never really matters how expensive the healing service is. You can always make your money back and since there is no time limit it's easy to finish dungeons in a single day.
I don't see how it's "lightyears" ahead.
The actual combat is most definitely easier thanks to being able to control your teammates and the ability to guard (seriously felt like Xenosaga Episode III... Have a problem with any kind of attack? No need to come up with a strategy just block!).
But the biggest thing is the fact that yet again there is no real exploration of any kind. Random dungeons absolutely suck if the combat is not engaging. Those little bits of finding teleporters and doors sealed with a mysterious magic don't feel like nearly enough in a 60 hour game.
RocketDarkness said:
I would like to point out that I've only played current gen SMT games on HARD MODE only (with the exception of vanilla P3 since it didn't have an option and DS1 since you had to finish it once before the option became available).
I should not be able to freeze through the fucken game on hard mode. It's pathetic.
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