That's how lots of endgame Persona bosses roll.
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That's how lots of endgame Persona bosses roll.
Trigonometrize.
Member
Because it's a boss that has its own rules that you have to work around. I don't see what's so egregious.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
You're basically at the final boss.
Also, I'm only bringing this up because you said your parents went to church, but the end of the game definitely risks offending sensitive religious types.
Also, I'm only bringing this up because you said your parents went to church, but the end of the game definitely risks offending sensitive religious types.
Typically superior random battles..I don't see it.
The only way I can take and digest random encounters is when they are done like how they were done in FFXIII-2. The enemy spawns would be random and you'll still have character control while they spawn so you can choose to run away or engage. Random encounters where the screen suddenly freezes and takes you to battles are such a time waster and annoyance "Oh I moved 3 feets back now I am in a random encounter".
If you're at the end of the game it's easier to just catch the treasure demons in mementos. Last few treasure demons can show up in the last few floors in the last set.
SMT and Persona aren't really the kind of games that you should buy if you're sensitive of that kind of material in the first place.
Yea I know, but it still requires a lot of time to go around. And last dungeon has 3 exclusive treasure demons, which means I'll get several duplicates before I get them all...Especially since one of them is a bitch to get.
SkylineRKR
Member
Random battles are the worst, and those fake ones where you absolutely cannoit avoid one sucks too (hello FFXIII).
In games like Tales you can pretty much avoid quite a bit and just fight what you want. In P5 you can also avoid a decent chunk if you choose so but you need to be a bit stealthy. There are those smoke bombs though I threw through memento floors and just casually went past everyone. I think its good this way, there are options to avoid almost everything and some caution is rewarded.
In games like Tales you can pretty much avoid quite a bit and just fight what you want. In P5 you can also avoid a decent chunk if you choose so but you need to be a bit stealthy. There are those smoke bombs though I threw through memento floors and just casually went past everyone. I think its good this way, there are options to avoid almost everything and some caution is rewarded.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
I brought it up as a warning in case the poster would be better off finishing the game when their parents aren't home.
BrightLightLava
Unconfirmed Member
Tip for that goddamn fish:
Cast the bait towards it, and when it starts to swim towards the bait, reel in. Repeat until the goddamn fish is as close to you as possible, that way you don't have to reel that much when you've actually hooked it.
It still sucks. Fuck that fish.
Whoops my bad, it was working at the flower shop, not watering your plant.
Though you should definitely water your plant, dat +3 free kindness....
I think random battles aren't intrinsically bad, just like non-random ones aren't always good.
I like how games like Etrian Odyssey and Nocturne do random ones, where you have an indicator on screen at all times that tells you how close you're to trigger an encounter, so you can plan accordingly, and sometimes even stop them. Stupid high encounter rates always make them bad though, and it's part of the reason why Persona 2 is unbearable to play through. DDS also suffers from this, specially having those elaborate dungeons, but at least the combat is fantastic so it's not that bad.
Persona 3 and 4 had the right idea but I think they didn't make initiating encounters dynamic enough, so it ends up feeling dull.
P5 is so damn fun in this respect though, the stealth had it quirks, but for the most part it makes traversing areas with enemies very exciting.
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Anyway Palace 7
I like how games like Etrian Odyssey and Nocturne do random ones, where you have an indicator on screen at all times that tells you how close you're to trigger an encounter, so you can plan accordingly, and sometimes even stop them. Stupid high encounter rates always make them bad though, and it's part of the reason why Persona 2 is unbearable to play through. DDS also suffers from this, specially having those elaborate dungeons, but at least the combat is fantastic so it's not that bad.
Persona 3 and 4 had the right idea but I think they didn't make initiating encounters dynamic enough, so it ends up feeling dull.
P5 is so damn fun in this respect though, the stealth had it quirks, but for the most part it makes traversing areas with enemies very exciting.
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Anyway Palace 7
I think I locked myself into a pretty bad situation by making it out of the "cleaner" boss fight with the whole party except Joker out of SP and running into Akechi. Oh boy.
Hexxen-Panda
Member
Ah, ok thnx.
Doing all of 12/24 in one go is definitely tiring. I think I'll finish it later.
Trigonometrize.
Member
Just like there's nothing fun about getting thrown into random encounters as you're exploring a dungeon, there's also nothing fun about trying to navigate a floor of enemy avatars as you try and either get behind them to ambush or weave your way through them to avoid fights. It's almost always tedious, except when it's made to be fun like in Persona 5.
The difference is that with random encounters, it's actually contributing to a sense of dread as you travel. Only got a couple restorative items left and are a floor away from safety? Every step is agony as you hope you don't get thrown into a battle with a tough enemy with no way to avoid it. And that's cool I think. With enemies on the field it just boils down into a frustrating side-step fest because character movement is awkward for those kinds of situations.
And there's not one way to do random battles. Random battles during puzzle sections? Complete shit, I agree. Random battles in places you've long out-leveled? Complete shit, I agree.
I like how XIII-2 did it, random enemy spawns then you can ambush them or get ambushed or just escape the battle. The amazing thing was the music would dynamically shift to an "aggressive version" seamlessly when the enemy spawns and then transfers back to normal if you decide to not engage. Every level specific theme in the game had an aggressive mix version for this reason.
As for your spoiler, I just used Haru's vegetables and curry.
Megawarrior
Member
End game spoilers
2/15: Aaaah Morgana. I can't believe I'm fucking ugly crying over this game. I love Morgana so much even tho he was a pain in the ass.
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You do not need random battles to get that sense of dread. You can have an unavoidable encounter or an enemy ambush, you can also do it like XIII-2 where the spawns are random but decision to start the battle is on you. As much as the sense of dread is nice when you are low on items, it's not always nice...especially if instead of being low on items you have no items if you've just traversed an area for like an hour and then die because you cannot fight anymore.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Very mild Tower rank 4 spoilers
Hey, who do you think you are? Nintendo? How dare you, Persona 5!
"A grown-up shouldn't spend so much time playing videogames."
Yup. I can't recall which game also did this, but I noticed that the Ongyo Ki mini-boss insisted in using either foul breath or stagnant air constantly to then spam mudoon and no ailments at all. That has to be it.
I'll try it myself with a persona with stagnant air amd mamudoon/mahamaon.
Yeah I agree, the sense of tension random battles can add to exploration can be fantastic if things are well thought. And I think it works particularly well in first person dungeon crawlers. Strange Journey in particular it's all about its sense of dread and otherworldlyness, so random battles kept me on my toes the entire ride. What a fucking game that is.
That does sound like a pretty cool way to handle it. For all the shit that trilogy gets, I keep finding little overlooked aspects like this that sound pretty fun. I have to give XIII another try someday...
Did you raise the alert level? Treasure demons are much more common when in the orange/red area. Though in end game it's kind of hard to force it there.
So, I've finished the game a while ago. I've been postponing posting my overall thoughts but here they are:
I've tried my best to not put spoilers, but if anybody think there is anything I should tag, feel free to tell me.
I've loved the game. It's not the life changing experience that Persona 4 Golden was for me, but I knew from day one that it wasn't going to be. I'm at a different spot in my life now, after all.
However, I can safely say that this game is the culmination of the road that started with Persona 3. They've taken the different elements that they created throughout the year, refined them and gave them a new and nice coat of red paint. The handcrafted dungeons were a necessity, the bigger story focus is a nice change of pace and I'd say the game has less pacing issues than Persona 3 and 4. Furthermore, I think the battle system is the best the series it's ever seen. It's took cues from mainline SMT while staying true to the original formula and adding a wider range of options like the Batton Pass. I loved how useful status aliments felt (like how you can get money from enemies using Confuse, or how you skip recruit conversations to a brainwashed enemy).
The game sets a new standard when it comes to UI, especially during battles. Having each action assigned to a button is incredible. After a few hours, it becomes a second nature.
I think gameplay goes along quite well with the game. You are a phantom thief. Everything you do is about intel. Looking for information, securing a route, that kind of stuff. Usually, long fights are equal to a Game Over. However, you can know most enemies weaknesses beforehand by fusing the dungeon Personas in the Velvet Room. And, once you've gathered information about the different enemies and their weaknesses, fights can be finished in a whim.
Overall, the game is the definitive refinement of a decade-long formula. However, and despite it being the "definitive version" of what the team has aimed to do since Persona 3, the game is far for perfect. Maybe due to it being a more complete package, the flaws the systems have always had are more noticeable.
Romance is probably the biggest flaw. It's an option that it's there, but it doesn't have any weight in the story. They certainly made a bigger effort in the last few weeks of the game, but they need to step up their game. The way it's triggered and seeing how formulaic it feels at times (it's always when you're leveling a Confidant from level 8 to 9) doesn't do it any favours. Other characters acknowledging it in some way, even if it's not fully voiced would have been great.
Furthermore, I don't think romancing every single female character is a good idea. I don't think, for instance, that the Temperance arcana should be an option at all. It completely destroys any kind of impact the Confidant has. It completely goes against the narrative.
To a lesser extent, this applies to other adults. Seeing how the beginning hours of the game are
Other than that, there are some problems with Confidants feeling "out of place" if you neglect him for a while after they are first introducted. However, one thing that Persona 5 mostly fixes, is the "is this the right answer?" pressure from previous entries. The Fortune arcana helps a lot in that regard.
Overall, I'd say it's a great game. It had been years since the last time a game have managed to grab me as much. It was like one of those times you read a book and can't help but go back to it everytime you have 30 spare minutes. The wait was worth it, and I'm looking forward to Persona 6 a few years down the line. I think that, now that they've sorted most of the biggest issues the franchise previously had (boring dungeons mainly, but the battle system is much more complex than it was in Persona 4), they need to go all out and evalute the VN aspects in the same way they did with the rest of the systems. If they manage to solve the flaws mentioned above, I don't know what they will be able to do to beat themselves after that.
I've tried my best to not put spoilers, but if anybody think there is anything I should tag, feel free to tell me.
I've loved the game. It's not the life changing experience that Persona 4 Golden was for me, but I knew from day one that it wasn't going to be. I'm at a different spot in my life now, after all.
However, I can safely say that this game is the culmination of the road that started with Persona 3. They've taken the different elements that they created throughout the year, refined them and gave them a new and nice coat of red paint. The handcrafted dungeons were a necessity, the bigger story focus is a nice change of pace and I'd say the game has less pacing issues than Persona 3 and 4. Furthermore, I think the battle system is the best the series it's ever seen. It's took cues from mainline SMT while staying true to the original formula and adding a wider range of options like the Batton Pass. I loved how useful status aliments felt (like how you can get money from enemies using Confuse, or how you skip recruit conversations to a brainwashed enemy).
The game sets a new standard when it comes to UI, especially during battles. Having each action assigned to a button is incredible. After a few hours, it becomes a second nature.
I think gameplay goes along quite well with the game. You are a phantom thief. Everything you do is about intel. Looking for information, securing a route, that kind of stuff. Usually, long fights are equal to a Game Over. However, you can know most enemies weaknesses beforehand by fusing the dungeon Personas in the Velvet Room. And, once you've gathered information about the different enemies and their weaknesses, fights can be finished in a whim.
Overall, the game is the definitive refinement of a decade-long formula. However, and despite it being the "definitive version" of what the team has aimed to do since Persona 3, the game is far for perfect. Maybe due to it being a more complete package, the flaws the systems have always had are more noticeable.
Romance is probably the biggest flaw. It's an option that it's there, but it doesn't have any weight in the story. They certainly made a bigger effort in the last few weeks of the game, but they need to step up their game. The way it's triggered and seeing how formulaic it feels at times (it's always when you're leveling a Confidant from level 8 to 9) doesn't do it any favours. Other characters acknowledging it in some way, even if it's not fully voiced would have been great.
Furthermore, I don't think romancing every single female character is a good idea. I don't think, for instance, that the Temperance arcana should be an option at all. It completely destroys any kind of impact the Confidant has. It completely goes against the narrative.
To a lesser extent, this applies to other adults. Seeing how the beginning hours of the game are
about a teacher sexually abusing a student, I wasn't really comfortable with that decision, despite Tae being in my top 5 as far as P5 characters go.
Other than that, there are some problems with Confidants feeling "out of place" if you neglect him for a while after they are first introducted. However, one thing that Persona 5 mostly fixes, is the "is this the right answer?" pressure from previous entries. The Fortune arcana helps a lot in that regard.
Overall, I'd say it's a great game. It had been years since the last time a game have managed to grab me as much. It was like one of those times you read a book and can't help but go back to it everytime you have 30 spare minutes. The wait was worth it, and I'm looking forward to Persona 6 a few years down the line. I think that, now that they've sorted most of the biggest issues the franchise previously had (boring dungeons mainly, but the battle system is much more complex than it was in Persona 4), they need to go all out and evalute the VN aspects in the same way they did with the rest of the systems. If they manage to solve the flaws mentioned above, I don't know what they will be able to do to beat themselves after that.
arturo2666
Banned
Can someone explain how treasure skimmer (futaba skill) works? Trying to get liquid mercury and it tells me they have it, then when I negotiate they give me something else. If I kill them I get nothing.
SkylineRKR
Member
XIII-2 did it right, enemies pop up and a ring appears. If you leave that ring you ran from the battle and everything is chill again. Its easy to do so if you desire.
XIII however, enemies are on screen but I think you can't avoid any of them. Maybe on a select few wide areas.
XIII however, enemies are on screen but I think you can't avoid any of them. Maybe on a select few wide areas.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I think it should at the very least be a toggle. Like with fight intros and outros, or not. Or one of the two turned on. I mean P5's fight outro is incredibly stylish but it is the same over....over and over. Of Joker running in circles Simpsons style. And I also agree on the music. Maybe next time, do a slight variation of the battle theme for each dungeon, like how each floor of Tartarus was one piece of music but with slight differences for each floor. Or at the very least, don't lock other battle themes behind DLC shenanigans.
OmegaDL50
Member
I agree with everything except for the bolded. A game being turned based or not has pretty much been a stylistic choice, especially so for the RPG genre since it's earliest conception for even consoles no less. In fact Action RPGs such as Dragon Slayer and even Xanadu from Falcom were released in the early 1980's predating even Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy.
There are other examples, one notable one being the Ys series which is almost as old as Dragon Quest too. In fact all of the games I mentioned are from Falcom. I guess Falcom really was the progenitor of the Action RPG combat system.
Funny enough it's interesting how their recent popular Trails series has Turn Based mechanics.
I think the format done in Persona 5 is best Atlus has done so far. As opposed to the randomized dungeons in previous installments.
Megawarrior
Member
I only need the last two. Fishing in this game compared to persona 4 is AWFUL though. I don't think I will ever get it.
He is not talking about turn based battle systems. He is talking about random battles as opposed to being able to actually see the enemies on the field before engaging a fight with them.
Lol, this is the one trophy I looked at and thought "oh no". I tried the fishing once and hated it.
Shotgun Kiss
Member
How do I start Kawakami's Confidant rank? I went through
meeting her as the maid. Then she left and I don't know what I need to do next.
oh lol fuck off,
there's still a lot after this
Morgana the little fucker wont let me go downstairs to
call Becky for my massage
Talk to her at school.
Shotgun Kiss
Member
Thanks!
You have the usual "wait and see what happens period" if you send the calling card early and a couple of days after that. Like 2 or 3.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
Freezasaurus
Member
Finished Palace Seven today. Just need to send the calling card. That was....not as bad as I expected. I'd even go so far as to say it's not my least favorite palace. That would probably be the Fifth.
Goddammit.
I don't think I can max out Haru's Social Link then. I've only had it on Rank 1 since the Proficiency stat is annoying as fuck to boost. 23 days to max it out seems like a reach at this point.
I think his Persona 2 costume it's Jun's, the canonically gay character who's in love with the protagonist lmao.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
A master thief getting involved with an ace detective seems sort of counterproductive to both of your goals.
Fried Food
Banned
this stupid cat is reLly testing my patience. i get the whole go to bed early thing, but why is it stopping me from buying stuff at stores? fuck off. oh and all the lady ann BS really sucks. i hate these loser "cutsy" animal characters
OmegaDL50
Member
This mechanic existed in previous games.
Instead of Morganna telling you to go to sleep it would instead be internal dialog of the MC saying stuff like "I'm too tired to do this, I'll just go to sleep" or "I don't have time to shop right now, I'll come back later"
That fight is basicslly Buff/debuff/nullify enemy buff the fight.