-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Persona 5 |OT2| Someone must have been helping you go to bed early. Talk!
- Thread starter BRSxIgnition
- Start date
Autoignition
Member
I also have to wonder how much of that "you can be one of us" shit was sincere and how much of it was just them trying to talk him down from the edge, because the Thieves aren't murderers. They actually don't want anyone to die no matter how heinous they are, and Akechi more or less committed suicide right in front of their faces.
There's also the whole "it's us vs the rotten adults" trope that drives so many people here on GAF crazy. With the other bad guys in the game, the Thieves' reactions to them were basically, "You're an adult, you make your own decisions, take responsibility, do better." With Akechi, that poor dude was used and abused to all hell, and the team already knows that there's some good in him still. They looked at him as a victim of the broken system filled with shitheads that they were trying to reform. It's not a huge stretch to think that they look at Akechi as a beaten dog who's just learned to bite back, and any one of them could have turned out the way he did if they'd been pushed far enough by those "rotten adults." There is definitely a sense of hypocrisy in approaching the world this way, but teenagers by nature are hypocritical.
There's also the whole "it's us vs the rotten adults" trope that drives so many people here on GAF crazy. With the other bad guys in the game, the Thieves' reactions to them were basically, "You're an adult, you make your own decisions, take responsibility, do better." With Akechi, that poor dude was used and abused to all hell, and the team already knows that there's some good in him still. They looked at him as a victim of the broken system filled with shitheads that they were trying to reform. It's not a huge stretch to think that they look at Akechi as a beaten dog who's just learned to bite back, and any one of them could have turned out the way he did if they'd been pushed far enough by those "rotten adults." There is definitely a sense of hypocrisy in approaching the world this way, but teenagers by nature are hypocritical.
I was thinking Big Bang Burger was actually the equivalent to MOS Burger than McDonalds. Although McDonalds is a bigger chain.
Wireframe
Member
It can be super vague at times for sure. It just takes getting used to and picking up on subtleties. For example I do would be seen as straight forward and used for irritable personas, I guess so is more vague and suited to gloomy personas finally I don't think that's a problem given the context of the statement may be seen as joking which would be for upbeat personas.
Why not just say post palace 7? Was endgame really necessary? I've only just finished palace 3 and now know to only expect 4 more...
Mediking
Member
Deep within the final dungeon now. I maxed out all social stats, but missed two confidents (4/10 Tower and 8/10 Hanged). It was a race at the end to max out Fortune and Empress - I finished one on the last possible day. Still I am happy with my progress without using any guide.
Now into the final hours!
Now into the final hours!
Shotgun Kiss
Member
Question about Kawakami's Confidant rewards:
Do you have to pay 5000 yen each time you want her to make coffee/curry/tools/do laundry/etc, or to get a massage so you can do stuff in the evening? That seems like a lot.
What?
It's because of the line:
"come on, you don't look cute at all when you're crying!"
When and where did they imply that?
That does remind me, I sorta want the next "Bro" to not be the punching bag of the group. I'm not saying people should worship him, but not like Yosuke.....I mean in PQ they even have a scene on the P4 side saying how the group (mostly the girls) like him being the punching bag because it creates stability or something.
I didn't think he was the punching bag of the group. That's Mishima lol.
Besides Morgana being an absolute dick to him most of the game for no reason, most of the cast didn't call him out that often.
He feels more genuine that Yosuke in a sense. I think Ryuji doesn't luck your balls as much and his misfortunes aren't used as comedy relief that often.
He seems dumber than he actually is because the game uses him as a device to explain stuff to the player.
Nevermind, I guess I just misunderstood the part where he says "I have no interest in her as someone of the opposite sex" lmao
AgentLampshade
Member
I'm on NG+ and
I'm making every Velvet Room dialogue choice telling "Igor" to go fuck himself.
There could be one a few years down the line, probably in conjunction with an anime of Persona 5 or something like that.
The game is a complete package on its own, I'd say. Although I got the feeling that the game had more "special Confidants" compared to previous entries since.
At least 4 of them level up as the story progresses and 2 of them need special conditions to be fulfilled instead of just hanging around with them. Not a complain, really. I like that there are Confidants that level up regardless of what you say, or "presure-free"
Without spoiler much...the game leaves the door open to sequels/extra chapters.
Negotiation is not a terrible mechanic. It's not only a useful and fun way to recruit new Persona, it also helps to finish a combat without have to defeat the shadows, especially when a sigle one from them is already in your compendium.
I love negotiation. The fact that you can use Marin Karin and then the enemy joins you without having to Negotiate is cool when there is a specific high level Persona you want to recruit.
I think, after a full playthrough, I only have a problem knowing how to answer to Irritable Personas. Gloomy, Timid and Upbeat are easier to read for me.
They found a sweet middle ground between SMT and previous Persona games with the mechanic. Being able to know their personality type beforehand makes the process feel much less painful and more intuitive while still being interesting.
It's one of the greatest things in this game and it has many benefits:
1- acquiring a persona(duh)
2- potentially getting way more money than the ones you get if you kill them
3- getting items
4- it can even save you from a difficult situation if you know that all-out attack won't kill the enemies.
Bonus:
- demons dialogues are hilarious sometimes.
Thanks. I guess I can wait. I have yet to play P4 and it would feels like a downgrade if I hop from P5.
he's being 'secretive'
Megawarrior
Member
Negotiation is 100% guaranteed if you read about it in the turorial menu......
AgentLampshade
Member
I always see him as the less competent Lucius Fox of the Phantom Theives.
YoRHa No.2 Type B
Banned
Bullshit.
I want you to tell me how to decide if "I like curry" is serious, kind, funny or vague.
The big bang burger Attack? Pretty sure you get a warning before.
Megawarrior
Member
It depends. What was the inital question? It's not that hard to figure out.
Juliano2016
Member
It's good to note first that I am very early in the game still, so my impressions are quite superficial. (30 hours still, not at 3rd Palace still)
I don't find her voice work solid at all, I think her tone inflexions in English are not natural and often forced. Every time she speaks I can see the words coming out of the script and I am not sold on anything she says. I cannot connect with her because of that because all she speaks sounds forced and unnatural. I don't think it's the character per se, but the voice actor. Her motivations stripped from the voice are convincing, but the delivery, to me, completely missed the mark.
And yes, I think Ryuji is fine because, to me, unlike Ann, the voice actor manages to deliver Ryuji's line in an acceptable manner. Perv characters are very common in Japanese animation and if I were to disregard characters because of it I would have to throw away most modern animes (I would have to ignore the whole of the Chobits series and manga, and that would be sinful). It's an issue that exists. Besides that minor point in Ryuji, so far I found him the most interesting and entertaining, greatly boosted by the voice actor. I think his track team drama makes sense to how he acts in general and he is the one that came friend MC when everyone else was being distant (Ann included).
Lol.
ShironRedshift
Member
Pretty sure that attack should have had a charge-up turn? Don't really remember--weird if it really used it without giving you any type of head's up at all. But either way there's a trick to that particular attack apparently if you want to know it. If not, just ignore this next part:
Shadow Okumura regularly tries to cast a hunger-status effect on your party while the Robot attack you. If you're hungry when the Big Bang Burger attack is used, it will heal you instead of killing you. Y'know... cause it's a food based attack. Felt like an idiot that I didn't figure that out at all during the fight itself and only realized it after.
Juliano2016
Member
I have to agree with the others, negotiation is very easy to get right, all you have to see it which is the persona's personality and you can get the questions right. I got the question wrong only once in the first palace, after that I got all of them wrong. Yes, sometimes it's hard to find out which is what they want (Especially when you need to be vague) but generally it's straightforward.
The other answers are protein and vegetables from what I remember. Whatever the question was, something about what food is good to eat.
Curry is the 'upbeat' choice out of these, at least considering the reputation of the other choices.
I was unsure of some other questions but not really with that one.
That's the one. Is it possible that a quirk of the turn-system left me without a round of moves between the tell and the attack? I'm pretty attuned to the warning moves after 60 hours of this game, and yet I'd swear I didn't get a chance to do anything on my attempt.
Oh wow, that's pretty neat! I'll keep it in mind for my next try, cheers!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
"You spent a long time with Sadayo...."
Fuck yeah I did.
Really love the attention to detail and small things like the floating hearts on the "take your time" whenever maxing out a romantic S link.
Fuck yeah I did.
Really love the attention to detail and small things like the floating hearts on the "take your time" whenever maxing out a romantic S link.
BassForever
Member
I can't tell if its an issue with the localization or if they intentionally had ones in Japanese that were harder to figure out the best answer. My issue with negotiations is they make every battle last longer since you now waste an extra 30-60 seconds getting them to join the team or trying to milk them for money. The bonus card system in p3/p4 kept things snappy.
Ok, the next day makes it pretty clear he has no idea at all. Even Ann is trying to be sly about it.
Weird how they made it like this. There are text messages before this point that are unavoidable (from what I can tell) that makes it clear that he knows. I can't remember this big of a disconnect between the story scenes and S Link stuff in the past persona games. Not as weird as this one.
Whoever thought making 3 treasure demons exclusive to one dungeon (and subsequently the mementos area related to it) was being a massive dick.
I've come across five of them....FIVE instances that are already rare to find even with treasure traps. And yet all five of them turned out to be the same fuckin guy every single time !!!
I've come across five of them....FIVE instances that are already rare to find even with treasure traps. And yet all five of them turned out to be the same fuckin guy every single time !!!
RepairmanJack
Member
I'm just after the third palace and I think I'm missing one Confidant. Of the ones you get later on I have
Is there one I'm missing or am I good?
Ohya/reporter, the church/shugi girl, and the teach/maid
It's probably the Tower confidant. You can unlock him sometime in September after doing a mementos quest.
Yes he keeps saying "you guys" and "you" when referring to phantom thieves. When he started the Phantom site he also told Joker he knows "you guys" took down Kamoshida and he is quite obviously referring to Ann and Ryuji. Hell he has seen Ann, Ryuji and Joker together so many times that who else would he be referring to.
Yet sometimes he acts like he doesn't know who they are and sometimes he acts like he is only aware of Joker's identity. It's such a disconnect that either it's something lost in translation or an oversight.
See what happens when you damage itFinally athrobbing king of desire