But those special services are limited to laundry/cooking/cleaning, she denies doing any any kind sexual of service to the MC during her Confidant. And we see the normal massages in-game (heck even Morgana sees them and doesn't comment anything lewd). Hmm I didn't perceive the text messages to be that way, I just saw it as any other Confidant telling you to hang out. And at one point she does tell you to stop calling her (but ofc gameplay reasons means the Confidant has to continue). I do agree with the issue in romancing her. The way her Confidant story goesShe offers "special services" and massages to the protag all the time. Her text messages letting you know that she's available for work are OTT lewd as well. Even if they ARE done "jokingly" it's in poor taste. By all rights, she should not have pursued continued contact after that first encounter; every time you called, she should've hung up. You also should not be able to romance her. Full stop. Period. End thought.
Kawakami is a creep and a pervert who has no business teaching. I don't care what contrived situation Atlus wrote her into in order to haphazardly justify it. It's predatory and disgusting and has no business being in a game about power imbalances between adults and minors.
She does take advantage of him, but it's throughEven if you don't romance Kawakami, she still preys on the protagonist and takes advantage of him for literally her entire Confidant link, sometimes hitting on him in order to encourage him to call her more often.
The reason I'm so hard on Kawakami is because her story goes against her own story. Like you said, her story is aboutbut it shoots itself in the foot by having herthe way she treated a former studentIt doesn't work. Even if you don't romance Kawakami, she still preys on the protagonist and takes advantage of him for literally her entire Confidant link, sometimes hitting on him in order to encourage him to call her more often. She's gross and needs to stop teaching -- at least stop teaching at the high school level, if nothing else.constantly take money from a new student in order to make amends for the old thing.
Oh right! But if you max them out one at a time there was really no consequence if I recallyou getto feel bad but get something extra for it at the end of the game
if I recall right in 3 after you started romancing multiple people sometimes some of the girls would get mad at you and you would be required to spend time with them to fix it, or wait it out... but it's been a while since I played it.
She does take advantage of him, but it's through.her fake story of her sister and ofc encourages him to call her for the money (she says he's pretty much her only frequent client), not because she wants to see him in particular.
To my recollection, both the game and Kawakami herself do, at least,acknowledge that her taking the protag's money at all is super fucked. Then, on top of that, she actively lies to him to guilt him into call her more. I could be wrong, but my memory is that the game does a fair job at pointing out that she's being shitty and manipulative on both counts. Plus, the whole point is that the money doesn't really do anything to make amends for her former student. All that's doing is lining his parent's pockets. In other words... I think the game would agree with you that she's done a bad job making things right for what happened.
She does acknowledge that it's fucked, yeah, but at no point does she ever stop doing it. She lacks a moral compass in this regard.
She DOES stop doing itShe does acknowledge that it's fucked, yeah, but at no point does she ever stop doing it. She lacks a moral compass in this regard.
It sucks, too, because her Confidant has such an easy fix. They could've just made her a fellow part-timer at one of your jobs. That way, she's still working herself to the bone, but she's not taking your money or doing any of her other awful crap. The maid thing is pretty much just to be fetishistic, when it really didn't have to be.
I kinda disagree... the maid thing serves a vague story purpose because of thesex work accusation.
But you're right, the whole thing is just jacked five ways, at least in terms of professional ethics, nevermind personal ones.
She DOES stop doing itonce she doesn't have to pay her former student's parents before. The reasonshe went to the maid job was because she was available in the evenings and the work gave her enough money to pay them unlike others, not because she was enthusiastic about being working as a maid or because she wanted to in particular.
I guess they could have avoided this 'controversy' by giving her another job, but in the end the romance option would probably still be available.
Agreed, but then there's no reason to call her character a pervert or creep who has no moral compass.Like I said, I understand the story/in-universe reasons for why she's doing what she's doing. But that's not the point I was arguing. Kawakami's not a real person; she doesn't have personal agency. Atlus's writing staff are real people who have personal agency, and the fact that they as writers chose to do this with the character is the problem.
Nope, specially in 3, where you didn't had direct command of your party, and not only physical wasn't as effective, it was riskier because the hp cost would put you in a very vulnerable state for an attack of a weakness.Was persona 3 and 4 also easily exploitable using physical persona skills? I relied on magic skills back then but here in Persona 5 almost all encounter can be steam rolled by physicals.
Agreed, but then there's no reason to call her character a pervert or creep who has no moral compass.
(not sure if it's been posted here or not)
but this seriously deserves more views
Persona 5: Persona 4 Opening Tribute
It's not really that great a resolution even in the platonic version though:To my recollection, both the game and Kawakami herself do, at least,acknowledge that her taking the protag's money at all is super fucked. Then, on top of that, she actively lies to him to guilt him into call her more. I could be wrong, but my memory is that the game does a fair job at pointing out that she's being shitty and manipulative on both counts. Plus, the whole point is that the money doesn't really do anything to make amends for her former student. All that's doing is lining his parent's pockets. In other words... I think the game would agree with you that she's done a bad job making things right for what happened.
My problem arises more with the resolution.In the platonic version of the route (which is the way I played it), it's all good, those parents stop extorting her and she realizes the best way to make up for what happened is to be a better teacher who's there for her students. That's actual character growth! In the romantic version, though, she... just totally fucks the whole thing up.
Thanks! And yes I agree, I get there are Sim dating elements and archetypes they adhere too but the characters are way too one dimensional. I would love if they made it a bit more grey but maybe I'm not deep enough into the story.
Was persona 3 and 4 also easily exploitable using physical persona skills? I relied on magic skills back then but here in Persona 5 almost all encounter can be steam rolled by physicals.
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I saw the plot twist with Akechi a mile away but the way they handled it was not what I was expecting though. Really good stuff, imo. Also loved the way they planned the fake death of the MC. I thought I was going to have the bad ending when he died at first.
Question though, is it possible to get a bad ending during the interrogation sequence? Or is it another story window I'll encounter in the future. I just entered Palace 7 and would not mind reloading just to see it.
Nope, specially in 3, where you didn't had direct command of your party, and not only physical wasn't as effective, it was riskier because the hp cost would put you in a very vulnerable state for an attack of a weakness.
In Persona 4 Golden, yes totally. I just finished doing another run and physical destroys most of the fights.
I'm currently replaying 3 FES, I'll try to do the same. I don't remember if physical was already that strong in 3.
Dude - Palace 7
That song that plays during phase 2 of Shido
Game has really cemented itself as something special over the last 10 or so hours
I can't remember the "I should choose my words carefully" prompt ever coming up for me for Kawakami so I assumed that she wasn't romanceable. Was I just not paying attention or maybe is there a flag required for it?
I can't remember the "I should choose my words carefully" prompt ever coming up for me for Kawakami so I assumed that she wasn't romanceable. Was I just not paying attention or maybe is there a flag required for it?
I know you can mess up Tae before her romance rank but I'm not sure about Kawakami.
It comes before every single female confidant. As mentioned above, it's the 9th rank up event where you have to make the 'romance' or 'platonic' choice.
Gameplay is weaker compared to others Megaten. Game is too easy even on hard, and the Press turn is too lenient this time.
Also the number of demons is underwhelming coming from SMT:IV/A. P5 barely has 210 demons, whereas SMTIV had over 420.
And there is no reason for fusion search to be absent.
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It pops up but unlike other romance slinks you have to go through about 3 prompts before it actually cements your choice. It doesn't appear until one of the later options.I can't remember the "I should choose my words carefully" prompt ever coming up for me for Kawakami so I assumed that she wasn't romanceable. Was I just not paying attention or maybe is there a flag required for it?
I actually doubt it. Makoto and the other party members by and large have a set group of perks in keeping with their status as combat team members. Hifumi has a full set of perks that are those battle system enhancements. If she was a party member and Makoto was a side character this would simply have been reversed. Hifumi might have been conceived as a potential party member, but this died earlier in development than the set perks she was given.I still think they swiped some of Hifumi's stuff and gave it to Makoto. Hifumi's abilities make a ton of sense for someone who is the party strategist. Even the code name "Queen" makes much more sense for someone who thinks of themselves as the ruler of their own little shogi kingdom instead of Makoto's sorta-power trip aggressive thing.
I'm struggling big time on palace 3 (the bank). I'm level 25, bought good gear and have been fusing my personas, but pretty much all enemies take so much HP off me I'm using up my regen items (as well as the dia skill) so quick I'll have no chance against the final boss.
Any tips?
I'm struggling big time on palace 3 (the bank). I'm level 25, bought good gear and have been fusing my personas, but pretty much all enemies take so much HP off me I'm using up my regen items (as well as the dia skill) so quick I'll have no chance against the final boss.
Any tips?
I hit a random rage spot earlier when playing. I had a bunch of Mementos quests lined up, one of which is something blocking a Confidant progression. It was a rainy day. Mishima even phoned me to say maybe we should focus on smaller tasks like Mementos requests.
So... seems like the perfect day to do it all right? Nope! Because one character is out of commission for story reasons... Morgana goes "LET'S TALK TO XXXXXX FIRST BLAHBLAHBLAH." Can't go into Mementos at all. These are the annoying quirks in Persona that get really annoying.
130 hours, just finished the first objective of Palace 7.
This game is pushing my inability to interrupt voiced lines to the limit.
130 hours, just finished the first objective of Palace 7.
This game is pushing my inability to interrupt voiced lines to the limit.
I turned on auto progress and set the controller down during voiced segmentsJPN or English? I loved the English VO so I listened to everything. .
This reminds me there is no ability to summon demons directly from the Compendium too. Really annoying with the Persona limit and some fusions requiring you 4-5 demons.
130 hours, just finished the first objective of Palace 7.
This game is pushing my inability to interrupt voiced lines to the limit.
oh god.
i read the dialogue bubbles and x through that shit as quickly as possible