-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Persona 5 |OT2| Someone must have been helping you go to bed early. Talk!
- Thread starter BRSxIgnition
- Start date
Young Magus
Junior Member
The only way I'll take Goro coming back is if its Black Mask Goro who is kinda-sorta-inbetweena revived/reanimated via the bigbad for his plans.
She's been in charge of social links forever, and she co-directed P3P (which explains... a lot honestly).
Since she's with Re Fantasy I guess that leaves out of directing a potential P5:R, haha...
Guess I shouldn't have grinded before Palace 7 then :/ oh well. I've pretty much completed the compendium but still.
Yes, this was so, so good. This is exactly the kind of moment I want from modern Persona when a party member that I'm supposed to like is constantly doing questionable things. This is what Yosuke should have faced regarding his predatory and homophobic shit.
But... Azusa Kido? Was that person responsible for the female route, then? I naively assumed it was handled by the original staff, but this makes much more sense. No wonder their handling of these things hasn't evolved much from P3.
Give this person the franchise already, Hashino and company can remain busy with Studio Zero forever for all I care.
Azusa Kido directed P3P in particular, but she was also writing staff on vanilla P3/P4/P5 (and now Re Fantasy, so she seems to be sticking close to the core "Persona Team").
Doing a Mementos grind, but the party banter keeps me sane.
Ryuji: I've been working on the railroad, all the live long day!
Morgan: I've been working on the railroad, just to pass the time away!
It was truly fitting when those two did that after a rather long stretch with no breaks haha
Ryuji: I've been working on the railroad, all the live long day!
Morgan: I've been working on the railroad, just to pass the time away!
It was truly fitting when those two did that after a rather long stretch with no breaks haha
Unknown One
Member
Mementos banters are great. I love it everytime Yusuke talks, whatever he says is golden for me.
Yep. Also worth noting:
- P3P's implementation of romance is miles ahead of what P4/P5 had. P3P used this romance flag system, so you actually have to be actively trying to start a relationship, instead of the game awkwardly working a "do you want to date now??" into rank 8/9.
- Cut out the transphobic beach event.
- Was way more LGBT friendly.
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
Does anyone know if Blank Cards carry over to NG+?
I don't remember the level but for a while I could only fight the red glowing enemies (always Mot/Abaddon + 2 Kali)
Wish I had played P3P. Didn't a similar scene happened in PQ with Naoto?
There was a dialogue where Futaba goes "choo choo!" too lol
God that would have been amazing. Makoto is cool and all but chuuni shogi player controlling the battlefield would have been incredible.
man I think this is supposed to be a touching scene from morgana... but.
very very very late game spoilers
very very very late game spoilers
morgana is saying if even one of us still stands that will be enough.
all I am hearing though is "you have slept enough joker, I should know I told you to go to bed a million times, so get your ass up." >.<:
all I am hearing though is "you have slept enough joker, I should know I told you to go to bed a million times, so get your ass up." >.<:
Yeah, and so do the rest. I have like, 38 blank cards on my NG+ and all the stuff I got off of enemies the first go around and I'm not even in May yet.
There's still time my dude. Grab it for cheap on Vita if you have one.
And i'm not sure Re: PQ.
This is all pretty eye-opening honestly, I feel very silly for sleeping on this route for so long after owning P3P all this time... Thank you for sharing. To be honest I wasn't sure if I was going to stick with the female route to the end, but now I feel 100% motivated to play it until the end. It enhances P3 immensely.
And Jesus, the romance in the original P3 was godawful, I still remember maxing up Yuko's SL and finding out I was suddenly her boyfriend without any questions because Hashino never had female friends growing up and friendship between men and women felt unnatural to him lmao.
Sigh, so much for P6 being directed by her then
I recall some event where Junpei finds out Naoto is female and he starts making a big deal about it until Shinji tells him to stop and says it makes no difference, then Mitsuru says gender means nothing in the battlefield or something along thos lines.
Thing is almost every modern game allows you to tweak the UI and i dont think there is a game that has such huge font constantly on your screen. And it is useless as well...
toastyToast
Member
Is that Anubis? If so fuse Isis and auto battle to recover that sweet, sweet SP.
Your party will probably die though
formasymphonic
Member
I fully believe this as well. I basically said the same thing in another thread:
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Nah shogi has king, general, lance, pawn, knight and i think bishop pieces. No queen.
Lance is her favorite piece, I bet she would have used one if she was playable.
Ok I'll have to give that a try because I'm getting destroyed haha
wondergorls
Member
Woo my first post! Just some thoughts I had about female characters, people have probably already talked about this but its been bothering me
Also I read about how the producers talked about why the character is male. I don't think there will be a female protagonist going forward just cause Men don't want a Social Sim section were they have to date men.
IDK I find this one less charming than the older entries.. And I obviously have a lot of feelings bloop.
Is it just me or does it seem like the game is kinda contradictory that it tackles social issues but also perpetuates them eg sexual abuse of high schoolers and sexualisation of school girls but then goes way out of its way to have a pervy gaze towards Ann and sexualise the shit out of her. Even whens she dies her ass is in the air. It erks me sometimes, I just got to the pyramid and the cut scene has Ann cooling her top and the boys looking and you can see her bra. I think the last cut scene also had this with the Ann drying her skirt and the boys perving... IDK creeps me out how much they focus on that.
And the teacher being a maid and that whole situation was so dumb. I wanted not to even call the maid service cause it was so weird but you don't have that option.
And The Gay characters in Shinjuku....... nnn.
And the teacher being a maid and that whole situation was so dumb. I wanted not to even call the maid service cause it was so weird but you don't have that option.
And The Gay characters in Shinjuku....... nnn.
Also I read about how the producers talked about why the character is male. I don't think there will be a female protagonist going forward just cause Men don't want a Social Sim section were they have to date men.
IDK I find this one less charming than the older entries.. And I obviously have a lot of feelings bloop.
Autoignition
Member
Welcome! You and I have largely the same thoughts. The game is cognitively dissonant and tone deaf on a not-infrequent basis. Basically, Atlus needs to decide on a direction for these games moving forward. Either they need to commit fully to tackling complex social issues, or they need to back away and accept being just another high school slice-of-life simulator with zany anime bullshit in it. Persona 5 proved that you can't be both, because the latter destroys any platform you have to seriously communicate the former.
Middleish of the first dungeon, though it frequently will lock you down for long stretches.
Yu Narukami
Member
Pre-Palace 7 spoilers.
Please tell me there are other twists left in this game besides the Goro one.
Yes or No?
Yes or No?
Estimation of playtime?
Yu Narukami
Member
80-100+ hours.
playtime spoilers
I finished with a bad ending at 67 hours, with the good ending at 85.5 hours.
I am fast though as my wife is at like 115 hours and still has at least 10 hours left to play.
I am fast though as my wife is at like 115 hours and still has at least 10 hours left to play.
that being said you can get to one of the bad endings in like 2 minutes if you don't accept the contract at the start of the game :3
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
Awesome! Thanks for the answer.
I'll try to! Everything about the Female Route seems so much better than Male's, especially having Social Links with ALL of your teammates.
Yeah, that's the scene. Great way to handle SEES' reaction to Naoto.
I'm pretty sure you can skip the maid event. And you'll learn about her situation in her Confidant. I don't think it's dumb, she has no other option.
This doesn't excuse P5 for most of the scenes you mentioned but the older entries (P3 and P4) have pretty bad ones as well.
Now I know how will my NG+ will start
and end
I know it won't sound like a good justification, but beyond game sales they also want to make merch sales, and figures are a decent market. "sexy" scenes help sell a ton of figures/toys, and in a game as long as the persona games a few sexy scenes doesn't ruin the overall experience even if you aren't a fan of such scenes.
wondergorls
Member
Thanks! And yes I agree, I get there are Sim dating elements and archetypes they adhere too but the characters are way too one dimensional. I would love if they made it a bit more grey but maybe I'm not deep enough into the story.
Autoignition
Member
This is a BS excuse. There's no law saying Atlus had to write her Confidant link this way. They could have given her literally any other story.
wondergorls
Member
I haven't got far into that confidant but it kinda feels like its just playing into the hot teacher/student fetish lol.
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
I meant it makes sense in her Confidant storyline in-game. Of course they could have given her any story they wanted, but the maid business ties with her Confidant abilities, and besides it's not like she does anything innapropiate besides calling you "Master" sometimes. The moment (10 rank spoilers)
she doesn't the money anymore she quits anyways.
Autoignition
Member
She offers "special services" and massages to the protag all the time. Her text messages letting you know that she's available for work are OTT lewd as well. Even if they ARE done "jokingly" it's in poor taste. By all rights, she should not have pursued continued contact after that first encounter; every time you called, she should've hung up. You also should not be able to romance her. Full stop. Period. End thought.
Kawakami is a creep and a pervert who has no business teaching. I don't care what contrived situation Atlus wrote her into in order to haphazardly justify it. It's predatory and disgusting and has no business being in a game about power imbalances between adults and minors.
It's probably fair to say I'm more forgiving of the way P5 handles certain things than Autoignition is, but even I think being able to romance Kawakami is pretty fucked and dissonant. Even if you want to argue that there's nothing inherently wrong with the basic premise of her story, romancing her totally goes against her own story. You can't have a sob story about
and then have that character sleep with her student.
regretting the way you treated a former student and wanting to be a better teacher
OmnipotentO
Member
Are there any downsides to romancing multiple characters?
I don't remember it being that big of a deal in 3 and 4 besides 1 or 2 awkward scenes.
I don't remember it being that big of a deal in 3 and 4 besides 1 or 2 awkward scenes.
wondergorls
Member
The fact you can romance your teacher but not a boy
Autoignition
Member
The reason I'm so hard on Kawakami is because her story goes against her own story. Like you said, her story is about
the way she treated a former student
constantly take money from a new student in order to make amends for the old thing.
you get
to feel bad but get something extra for it at the end of the game
if I recall right in 3 after you started romancing multiple people sometimes some of the girls would get mad at you and you would be required to spend time with them to fix it, or wait it out... but it's been a while since I played it.
My take on it is the following.
Seeing her normal day to day clothes, he isn't that much of a "hot teacher". The Maid stuff, while certainly weird (although the scene where you met her was hilarious), kind of makes sense thematically. Kind of.
Most adult Confidants seem to have an embarrasing side of sorts. Like how Tae doesn't give a crap about selling you stuff
(plus the whole Plague thing)
to the Yakuza
The Maid stuff for the most party doesn't feel that offensive.
With her maid outfit I can see the "hot teacher" part though. In any case, most of the encounters you have with her on the Confidant storyline are more like a parody of sorts. She talks to you, wastes time, calls you Master to tease you, says she is going to clean or whatever and then she says something like: "Oh, but the dusty atmosphere is part of its charm!" and leaves without actually doing anything.
There aren't any kind of sexual approaches while she is wearing the maid outfit. She considers the time you pay as some sort of break TBH. She even falls asleep in your bed.
The whole thing basically is more of a: if you call me every once in a while I'll let you slack off in class. You're welcome! She even takes advantage of your kindness at first, making you think she has to pay some expensive hospital bills because her sister has a chronic disease or something like that.
I won't say the Maid/Hot Teacher stuff is not there. It is. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to romance her. But her Confidant doesn't really feel like pandering most of the time. And for what I've been told (never tried) she seems to resist a little to the idea of romancing a student of hers.
So... yeah, there is some pandering and anime jank. But at least for me the game manages to draw the line between having that kind of stuff without harming the story too much. Or maybe I just like the kind of humor most shonen anime has as long as it doesn't include gay sexual predators chasing you.
Edit: The massage part is definitely weird. And the washing machine stuff. I'd have rather give the former gameplay perk as some kind of energy drink developed by Tae and the later to Sojiro's Confidant. Like him saying: "oh, you have to study tonight. Give me those clothes and I'll bring them clean to you tomorrow".
There aren't any kind of sexual approaches while she is wearing the maid outfit. She considers the time you pay as some sort of break TBH. She even falls asleep in your bed.
The whole thing basically is more of a: if you call me every once in a while I'll let you slack off in class. You're welcome! She even takes advantage of your kindness at first, making you think she has to pay some expensive hospital bills because her sister has a chronic disease or something like that.
I won't say the Maid/Hot Teacher stuff is not there. It is. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to romance her. But her Confidant doesn't really feel like pandering most of the time. And for what I've been told (never tried) she seems to resist a little to the idea of romancing a student of hers.
So... yeah, there is some pandering and anime jank. But at least for me the game manages to draw the line between having that kind of stuff without harming the story too much. Or maybe I just like the kind of humor most shonen anime has as long as it doesn't include gay sexual predators chasing you.
Edit: The massage part is definitely weird. And the washing machine stuff. I'd have rather give the former gameplay perk as some kind of energy drink developed by Tae and the later to Sojiro's Confidant. Like him saying: "oh, you have to study tonight. Give me those clothes and I'll bring them clean to you tomorrow".