Green Mamba
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Well, we'll see. Summer break just started.
I've been drawing Shadows nonstop for hours today (save for the monkey break). I feel I should stop now but it's too fun. Plus I finally came up with an excuse to draw a dinosaur.
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Persona Community Thread |OT4| The Golden Number
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I've been drawing Shadows nonstop for hours today (save for the monkey break). I feel I should stop now but it's too fun. Plus I finally came up with an excuse to draw a dinosaur.
Lord Scrambles
Member
*excited squeal*
Lord Scrambles
Member
Even I have to say no to that. Haha
Green Mamba
Member
Persona 5 should be stand alone like 3 and 4 are. Leave the references to cameos and the continuity stuff to spinoffs.
As I've said before. It will probably reuse the same reoccurring continuity that's been present in almost every game so far. Meaning more Philemon, more Igor, more Nyarly, and possibly the Shadow Operatives or Kirjio group, but no direct character reappearances and the plot won't require you to play any of the previous games at all.
I wouldn't count out direct character reappearances. They've happened before in Persona.
Actually, I have a feeling it's going to use less of those elements as it goes forward. I think Persona team has dropped the concept of Philemon almost entirely, Igor is on the way out, and Nyarly is totally out of the picture. Shadow Ops and Kirijo don't seem like stuff they'll carry over either.
True, but if they do have appearances from other other games, I imagine they'll either be neglected to cameo references (Persona 4 style) or they'll simply be reintroduced entirely (Persona 2 style) to avoid requiring the player to play previous games. Hashino seems to be keen on having something anyone can pick up and enjoy, so there definitely won't be too many major players in Persona 5.
If anything, I'd think someone like Mitsuru would be easy to reintroduce as a supporting character, like how Ikutsuki or Takeharu was in Persona 3.
Igor and the Velvet Room are far too iconic among the Japanese fans to drop; and the Kirijo Group itself is already basically a carry over of the Nanjo Group from Persona 1/2.
Also, Introducing the Shadow Operatives to the grand story and not making use of them in some way would be silly.
Chihiro is the only one, right
Yukiko in P3P
Don't think we'll see any major cameos from main characters from 3 or 4 in 5. Maybe Rise on a TV in the background or something.
I could see that, but it's not as though the Velvet Room will ever be abolished. One would think that would have to be a constant.
What reason do you have for thinking Igor is on the way out?
The VA died, Japan apparently has a thing against replacing VAs, and they've only been using recycled voice clips since then.
Moreso the fact that they haven't recorded any new dialogue for him since his voice actor died. I don't think they WANT to write Igor out, he's the single most consistent element across all of the games. But given that it seems like they're unwilling to replace his character so far, I just think that he has at least some chance of being cut entirely and replaced with some other velvet room attendant.
I hope not though. Hopefully they can find a way to respectfully replace him and keep the character in the games since he's so iconic. Perhaps they just didn't want to make it sound weird to have two different voice actors in the same game, so they're waiting till P5 to introduce a new one.
Velvet room will most likely stick around, it's just Igor that I think might be written out. Kirijo Group is so definitively a P3 thing, and Shadow Ops were introduced in a fighting game spinoff series. I think the fact that P4 stepped away from nearly all of that is a good indication that Hashino's team wants mainline games to be separate, insular stories. Even P3 ignored most elements of 1 and 2, dropping the Philemon vs. Nyarly element entirely. I think Hashino's team wants to focus on other things. It's a guess, but I just don't see his team as one that retains a lot of elements. Bringing back Kijiro and creating the Shadow Ops were more a plot contrivance to have P3 characters show up in Arena.
There's no indication that he won't be a presence in Persona 5, but ever since his voice actor passed away:
- Reuse of old VO in Persona 4 anime + relegated in favor of Margaret.
- Reuse of old VO in Persona 4 Arena + relegated in favor of Margaret.
- Reuse of old VO in Persona 4 Golden + relegated in favor of Margaret and Marie.
He hasn't had any new lines for a long while and, concerning the Velvet Room dynamic, he's been pushed aside in favor of the other residents recently.
Crossovers have been happening since Persona 1.
I don't want to get to specific but:
SMT IF... Characters -> Persona 1
Persona 1 Characters -> Persona 2
Even
Trish
And as you mentioned there is
Chihiro
That's interesting. Would be kinda shitty if he isn't in the games anymore. It's weirdly comforting that I still go fuse with Igor in P1P
StarSketch
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SLinkFM guys: I'm drowning in your podcasts, help
Lord Scrambles
Member
Agreed
Although Some people in here might argue that the introduction of shadow operatives at all was silly, and their continued use detrimental to the series, I think It would be far more dumb to introduce a world-building concept like that and have it just sit there.
Overall, I'm against direct cameos and returning party members for mainline games, but realistically Atlus won't be able to resist throwing either a P4 or Shadow Ops reference in there somewhere
Tanaka just put in more info about the Persona 3 Movie's BD/DVD release:
all for the low price of ￥9720 (95USD) for the blu-ray release and ￥8640 (85USD) for the DVD release.
- It's a Director's Cut (7 minutes of extra footage)
- There's a JikaNet Tanaka Special Offer version of the BD/DVD. Includes a cool pocket watch:
and Tanaka stickers
Perfect Cha0s
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I would rather the Shadow Ops stuff stay relegated to the P3/P4 psuedo-offshoot games, personally. Keep making Persona Q-style games and more P4 Arenas if they want to mess with those characters post-P4/P3 and whatever they're up to. It might just be because the story was told through a fighting game, but P4A always felt way too fan fiction-y to me.
P4 had nods to P3, but it was in a way that simply acknowledged that the two plots existed in the same universe, while not trying to weave them together in anyway. Something like the P5 characters being on a roadtrip or something and staying at the Amagi Inn and seeing Yukiko would be neat, but I would probably roll my eyes a little too hard if it's like "oh yeah, turns out there's a big team dedicated to hunting down shadows and dealing with persona stuff."
Part of the charm, I think, in P3 and P4 is that you're a hodgepodge of schoolkids who have no one but yourselves to figure out the mysteries of what's going on, and overcome any challenges you come across. I can't help but feel that any sort of introduction of Shadows Ops into Persona 5 would negatively impact that. The Shadow Operatives would be too powerful/helpful in comparison to the (presumably) fresh faces who discover their persona abilities for the first time early in the game.
I fear we would end up with a villian/threat which is either weak compared to the Shadow Operatives, making us go "Oh, come on. You've already defeated the equivalents of gods and figured out crazy mysteries, but you can't sort this out?", or something so crazy powerful that it can't be thwarted by the combined expertise of the P3/P4 cast, and the idea of our P5 cast contributing to its demise in a meaningful way ends up seeming absurd.
The most satisfying thing about NG+ so far has been beating the living crap out of that boss with Izanagi.
This playthrough I've tried to loosen up toward her. She'll never really be a favorite of mine, and I'll never really think her inclusion was done quite right, but I can at least move from "I HATE HER SO MUCH" to "Yeah okay."
Quick! Run! Hide!
From what I've done of Marie's S.Link I definitely agree with the "decent character poor implementation thing". Should've made her a party member, because it's really stupid how everyone just randomly wanders into her scenes. Also, the poems. I don't even mind the poems themselves, but I juuust want to fuuuuuuse.
e: I have to say, P4
really did a nice job with Mitsuo's characterization. I'm paying more attention to it this time. The way Void Quest shows it as an RPG was really cool "Coolness increased by 2! Emptiness increased by 8!", and he ends up strangely sympathetic by the end while still being creepy, contemptible and pathetic.
"At least Adachi was happy."
"At least Adachi was happy."
ajim
Member
Really? She instantly became my favourite female character, easily trumping Yukiko and Rise! Especially with the perfect ending. Oh lord <3
I LOVE HER!
But, having said that... I really, really like Naoto too.
ajim
Member
Really? Shes not that liked around here?
Even when I maxed out her S.Link I still opted to spend time with her, watching the same annoying cutscene over and over again at Junes.
The perfect ending just sealed the deal for me as best female character.
I have a strong preference for that short hair look and bitchy attitude I think. It's endearing in its own way.
Mmmm? What's up?
NaotoGAF now boosted to three members.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Just finished listening to Episode 25: Steppin Up to the Amagi Challenge with Amanda Winn Lee.
My love for Rei Ayanami has grown stronger.
My love for Rei Ayanami has grown stronger.
buddha0991
Member
Yea she is rather unpopular and seen as an intrusive, shoe horned character they added to the rerelease on Vita, she was not in the original game.
I may not think shes amazing or even that great, but she gets a ton of undeserved hate. she a good character, misused imo, in some bad ways, but in the end she was fine enough.
Here have some art:
Yea she is rather unpopular and seen as an intrusive, shoe horned character they added to the rerelease on Vita, she was not in the original game.
I may not thing shes amazing or even that great, but shes a good character, misused imo.
Here have some art:
Yeah, my main issues with Marie so far are how she's kind of wedged awkwardly into the game, not so much with the character itself. Marie herself is a fine, if slightly cliche, character. Coulddowithoutthefasttalkingthoughyoustupidjerk.
UnluckyKate
Member
5 hours into P3. I never though I would say this, but... Misturu...
She does... things one me...
She does... things one me...
buddha0991
Member
Which version of P3? This is important.
I wanted to say she does things three me, but...well I said it then so HAH.
ajim
Member
I dunno, I never played P4 until P4G, so she didn't seem that shoe-horned in to me. What I really liked was the mystique around her, her lost memory, her poems, and her closed-off but inquisitive personality.
And it all just came together even better in the end, plus I liked how the rest of the gang really got her involved despite not knowing a damn thing about her, and totally misinterpreting her naive answers/questions.
I dunno.
Plus, she's gorgeous. Oh. <3
CrazyTank940
Member
If you mean console P3, those "things" may turn to salt soon enough due to AI I'm sure
the dreaded two words: "marin karin"
he is not alone!!
Bonds of people is the true power
Persona 4
Waifus, waifus, waifus
Waifus everywhere
Everywhere waifus
Everyone is good
Nobody is good
One is best
But none of the rest
This one doesn't eat meat
Like Chie
This one isn't a Yamato bijin
Like Yukiko
This one can't sing for shit
Like Rise
This one isn't a young detective
Like Naoto
Too many waifus
Too much hate
Too few husbandos
Too little love
I want to live
I want to be
But nobody wants me
To be me
PersonaGAF
PersonaGAF
PersonaGAF
CrazyTank940
Member
10/10, would drop on Velvet Room floor/act tsuntsun over again
ajim
Member
SO GOOD!
I loved that one, it was just what I'd expect coming from her pretty little face <3.
Awesome.
snow in jamaica
Member
UnluckyKate
Member
P3FES on PSN
If you mean console P3, those "things" may turn to salt soon enough due to AI I'm sure
the dreaded two words: "marin karin"
I'm really not into the authoritarian cold beautiful girl, I usually joke about it with my friend being crazy about Lightning or Kusanagi (Ghost in the Shell). I'm more a Chie/Rise type haha.
going back to play now
Red The Hunter
Member
Priceless
ajim
Member
I'll just leave this here, showing Marie's superiority
. It's a spoiler tho, so don't click if you don't want to be spoiled!.
Marie <3
My heart. She has it.
Plus dat music.
. It's a spoiler tho, so don't click if you don't want to be spoiled!.
Marie <3
My heart. She has it.
Plus dat music.